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Alt Guitar Volume/Envelope Controllers
#1022324 - 04/12/12 03:49 PM
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Without getting too Peter Frampton about it, are there any other ways to control guitar
volume while playing (apart from pedal or volume knob on guitar)?
I know
Jeff Beck has made the guitar knob control (while playing) into an art, but otherwise I
suppose foot and mouth are the only remaining ways to do this? Pedals tend to produce an
uneven effect because the front of the foot is longer than the heal where the pivot is. In
fact, a sprung roller for the foot (like a decent keyboard pitch bend) might be better
than a pedal.
But, (if we put musical expression before looking cool) I
think only the mouth would be sensitive enough for real expressive control: clenched lips
cause 'volume down' on a device that is gently sprung to be open by default. It'd be good
for wah-wah too I suppose ... not to make it talk though.
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#1022326 - 04/12/12 03:58 PM
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Optical wah ... it was on Tomorrow's World many moons ago and used fibre optic cable and a
light sensor. It was on a wah but I'd expect it to be easily changed to be volume.
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#1022337 - 04/12/12 05:12 PM
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How well would breath control work (like on a synth). Might me a useable solution.
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#1022338 - 04/12/12 05:18 PM
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#1022343 - 04/12/12 05:35 PM
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The Ernie Ball pedals are spring & string operated. Expensive, but excellent. I've been
using my Morley Slimline Echo/Volume pedal for 30 years now, works fine for me. Very
controllable, you just need to use it and practice. Andy 
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Re: Alt Guitar Volume/Envelope Controllers
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#1022344 - 04/12/12 05:37 PM
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Quote Korff:
Dig it.
Very nice 
Andy
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#1022409 - 05/12/12 02:17 AM
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alt guitar? I remember that newsgroup! 
Used to experiment with MIDI guitar a lot. With some MIDI guitar interfaces you
can do all kinds of interesting things sending MIDI messages to control whatever
MIDI-controllable parameters of whatever MIDI-controllable gear you like. And split/zone
the fretboard so that things change depending where you finger. Axons were really
versatile at that.
Nowadays, you can just slap a little Kaoss pad on.
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Re: Alt Guitar Volume/Envelope Controllers
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#1022812 - 06/12/12 05:23 PM
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Quote zenguitar:
Quote Korff:
Dig it.
Very nice
Andy
Indeedy — and
funnily enough, I just this minute received an email about a new wireless USB-MIDI
version! Info here: http://www.sourceaudio.net/hh-usb-reserve/?utm_source=HHUSB&utm_campai
gn=Vote+Email&utm_medium=email
Cheers!
Chris
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Re: Alt Guitar Volume/Envelope Controllers
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#1022835 - 06/12/12 07:38 PM
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More very nice Andy
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Re: Alt Guitar Volume/Envelope Controllers
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#1022906 - 07/12/12 04:46 AM
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A little advice on Hot Hands- try before buy (or buy with a good return policy). Sounds
are quite nice, but the controlling of them may cause one some consternation and a hot
head instead. That said, I do know a keyboard player who loves his midi
controller, so maybe it's just down to me being too spaz. Perhaps if they offered it with
a larger toe-sized ring... A somewhat similar approach using light beams and
one's own body rather than a hand-worn ring is Roland's "D-Beam"
tech as implemented on the VG-99 V-Guitar System which can be stand-mounted and also accept a
ribbon controller input. Of course, not at all cheap, and one would also need something
like this in order
to make use of it. There was also an xbox "air guitar" type project being
developed along similar lines (the link to which I seem to have misplaced) employing a
Kinect sensor setup.
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Re: Alt Guitar Volume/Envelope Controllers
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#1023059 - 07/12/12 05:59 PM
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A follow-up to my earlier comment about my not getting on with the Hot Hand ring.
According to the keyboardist who's using their midi exp pedal, the ringamajiggy
can apparently also be worn on a headband or hat or on the foot, not just on the hand
(Doh!). So will give it another try that way next chance.
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#1023197 - 08/12/12 04:22 PM
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I suppose I'd prefer it to be analogue, but maybe that's not justified. Does the MIDI
controlled volume/wah sound or feel different?
I suppose there are
alinearities in any analogue controller that wouldn't exist with MIDI. The guitar knob
volume doesn't feel like a steady up/down, but I'm not sure if that's my imagination.
If true, that might be undesireable logically, yet maybe in practice humans quite
like these alinearities (?)
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