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Alt Guitar Volume/Envelope Controllers
      #1022324 - 04/12/12 03:49 PM
Without getting too Peter Frampton about it, are there any other ways to control guitar volume while playing (apart from pedal or volume knob on guitar)?

I know Jeff Beck has made the guitar knob control (while playing) into an art, but otherwise I suppose foot and mouth are the only remaining ways to do this? Pedals tend to produce an uneven effect because the front of the foot is longer than the heal where the pivot is. In fact, a sprung roller for the foot (like a decent keyboard pitch bend) might be better than a pedal.

But, (if we put musical expression before looking cool) I think only the mouth would be sensitive enough for real expressive control: clenched lips cause 'volume down' on a device that is gently sprung to be open by default. It'd be good for wah-wah too I suppose ... not to make it talk though.


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      #1022326 - 04/12/12 03:58 PM
Optical wah ... it was on Tomorrow's World many moons ago and used fibre optic cable and a light sensor. It was on a wah but I'd expect it to be easily changed to be volume.

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Re: Alt Guitar Volume/Envelope Controllers new [Re: ]
      #1022337 - 04/12/12 05:12 PM
How well would breath control work (like on a synth). Might me a useable solution.


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Re: Alt Guitar Volume/Envelope Controllers new [Re: ]
      #1022338 - 04/12/12 05:18 PM
Dig it.


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Re: Alt Guitar Volume/Envelope Controllers new [Re: ]
      #1022343 - 04/12/12 05:35 PM
The Ernie Ball pedals are spring & string operated. Expensive, but excellent. I've been using my Morley Slimline Echo/Volume pedal for 30 years now, works fine for me. Very controllable, you just need to use it and practice.

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Re: Alt Guitar Volume/Envelope Controllers new [Re: The Korff]
      #1022344 - 04/12/12 05:37 PM
Quote Korff:

Dig it.




Very nice

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Re: Alt Guitar Volume/Envelope Controllers new [Re: ]
      #1022409 - 05/12/12 02:17 AM
alt guitar? I remember that newsgroup!

Used to experiment with MIDI guitar a lot. With some MIDI guitar interfaces you can do all kinds of interesting things sending MIDI messages to control whatever MIDI-controllable parameters of whatever MIDI-controllable gear you like. And split/zone the fretboard so that things change depending where you finger. Axons were really versatile at that.

Nowadays, you can just slap a little Kaoss pad on.


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Re: Alt Guitar Volume/Envelope Controllers new [Re: zenguitar]
      #1022812 - 06/12/12 05:23 PM
Quote zenguitar:

Quote Korff:

Dig it.




Very nice

Andy




Indeedy — and funnily enough, I just this minute received an email about a new wireless USB-MIDI version! Info here: http://www.sourceaudio.net/hh-usb-reserve/?utm_source=HHUSB&utm_campai gn=Vote+Email&utm_medium=email

Cheers!

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Re: Alt Guitar Volume/Envelope Controllers new [Re: The Korff]
      #1022835 - 06/12/12 07:38 PM
More very nice

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Re: Alt Guitar Volume/Envelope Controllers new [Re: zenguitar]
      #1022906 - 07/12/12 04:46 AM
A little advice on Hot Hands- try before buy (or buy with a good return policy). Sounds are quite nice, but the controlling of them may cause one some consternation and a hot head instead.

That said, I do know a keyboard player who loves his midi controller, so maybe it's just down to me being too spaz. Perhaps if they offered it with a larger toe-sized ring...

A somewhat similar approach using light beams and one's own body rather than a hand-worn ring is Roland's "D-Beam" tech as implemented on the VG-99 V-Guitar System which can be stand-mounted and also accept a ribbon controller input. Of course, not at all cheap, and one would also need something like this in order to make use of it.

There was also an xbox "air guitar" type project being developed along similar lines (the link to which I seem to have misplaced) employing a Kinect sensor setup.


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Re: Alt Guitar Volume/Envelope Controllers new [Re: Goddard]
      #1023059 - 07/12/12 05:59 PM
A follow-up to my earlier comment about my not getting on with the Hot Hand ring.

According to the keyboardist who's using their midi exp pedal, the ringamajiggy can apparently also be worn on a headband or hat or on the foot, not just on the hand (Doh!). So will give it another try that way next chance.


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Re: Alt Guitar Volume/Envelope Controllers new [Re: ]
      #1023197 - 08/12/12 04:22 PM
I suppose I'd prefer it to be analogue, but maybe that's not justified. Does the MIDI controlled volume/wah sound or feel different?

I suppose there are alinearities in any analogue controller that wouldn't exist with MIDI. The guitar knob volume doesn't feel like a steady up/down, but I'm not sure if that's my imagination.

If true, that might be undesireable logically, yet maybe in practice humans quite like these alinearities (?)


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