Arondite
Joined: 24/09/12
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Live micing
#1018335 - 13/11/12 06:55 AM
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Hey guys, my current micing methods seem to be wrong, so I am asking for some advice on
that matter. I know the estimated position of the mic stands, as those can pop up easily
from a quick google search. The problem is replicating the stands used in rehearsals for
the actual event. In my rehearsals, I have all the time I want, hence I can slowly move
the mics around until I get a more or less uniform, clear sound from the mic. However, as
for the actual event, even though I mark out the positions of the mic stand, as the mic
stand is not in the same position as with the rehearsal, the sound becomes slightly
ununiform and unclear. Sorry, I think what I just wrote may be confusing, so I will
portray the scenario where this problem occurs below. I have a gig in school, and it
starts with a band playing, followed by a piano solo. As the band has to take the stage
first, the piano is brought to stage only AFTER the band. Naturally, the mic stand for the
piano also comes in later on. However, as I lack mic stands, I tend to reuse the stands,
thus the stand used for the band is also used for the piano, hence it has to be
repositioned after the band. Thus, the position (degree of elavation, how much the stand
is extended, etc) differs slightly from the rehearsal stand. Thus, the sound captured
differs from the supposed one, and the piano sounds horrid because some notes are very
loud, and others are too soft. Is there any way to solve this, short of doing a test on
real time? I take quite long to adjust the mic stands as I am rather inexperienced, thus I
do not have the luxury to adjust on real-time. Thanks in advance for any advice given.
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Joel Nichols
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Re: Live micing
[Re: Arondite]
#1018353 - 13/11/12 09:49 AM
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I used to do a lot of work in schools and feel your pain about lack of mic stands! What
mic are you using on the piano? The pickup pattern it has will affect how it sounds in
different places. A couple of tips regarding get the elevation of the stand
right: Try putting a little ring of tape somewhere on the stand to mark the
positions, do this on all components that you move. Of course if you need to slide the
parts over where this tape will be then it won't work! In the past I have sometimes just
taken a picture on my phone as a rough guide. If you have your 3 pieces of tape on the
floor you mark where the legs of the stand should go you can work from there. Regarding levels, try to see if your school has a compressor - these help level out the
loudest parts of a performance. How to set one is another discussion, but see if they have
one!
-------------------- Joel Nichols - Owner and Director - Revolution Audio
www.revolutionaudio.co.uk
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Hugh Robjohns
SOS Technical Editor
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Loc: Worcestershire
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Re: Live micing
[Re: Arondite]
#1018366 - 13/11/12 11:01 AM
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The usual solution is to put tape or paint marks on the floor for the positions of the
stand feet and piano legs etc. That makes sure the hardware is in the right places.
As for the heights of mics, a wooden stick with pen marks to indicate the required
height makes re-setting stands easy.
Alternatively, fix the mics directly on to
the piano so that they move with the piano!
hugh
-------------------- Technical Editor, Sound On Sound
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Dave Rowles
Joined: 28/02/08
Posts: 1315
Loc: Isle of Man
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Quote Hugh Robjohns:
Alternatively, fix the mics directly on to the piano so that they move with the
piano!
hugh
+1
There are a number of solutions out there to help with this...though they all cost
a couple of quid. Best would be a goose neck with a desk clamp which you could attach to
the internal structure of the piano.
In fact there are clamp solutions for
almost any instrument, which does take the whole "getting it back to the right position"
problem out of the equation.
-------------------- www.exaviormusic.com
www.manninmusic.com Music Teacher, Isle of Man
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Arondite
Joined: 24/09/12
Posts: 91
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Re: Live micing
[Re: Arondite]
#1018813 - 16/11/12 04:21 AM
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Thanks for the advice guys, it was really helpful. For now, I think I will stick to the
tape method, where you tape the points where the mic stand is supposed to be extended
till. I have different colored tapes, which would come in handy for multiple usage of the
stand. As for the method of attaching a mic to the piano, I have yet to try it out, but
would a podium stand do? The short ones that sit on the table for speeches. I don't know
if there is enough space on the piano for them, but they are all that I have at the
moment.
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Dave Rowles
Joined: 28/02/08
Posts: 1315
Loc: Isle of Man
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Re: Live micing
[Re: Arondite]
#1018867 - 16/11/12 12:50 PM
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They might do, if you can get them seated right. Make sure they've got a rubber underbelly
or the stand will rattle on the frame. I have in the past used a cheap desk
tripod stand that came free with a crappy mic I bought eons ago. Maplins do a similar one,
though it's not quite as good.
-------------------- www.exaviormusic.com
www.manninmusic.com Music Teacher, Isle of Man
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