Bungle1
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applying recording techniques to the stage - guitar EQ
#986641 - 10/05/12 07:16 AM
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Typically when recording I tend to high pass my guitar between 80 and 140 (I tend to play
with capo at 4/6 etc so I am always surprised how high the high pass filter can be set in
a mix before you start hearing a real difference). It definitely helps keeps things
clearer for the bass and rhythm guitars in the context of a mix and I am thinking it could
help live too to keep things separate but tbh I have no idea of how this works in practise
and thinking it could make the lead guitar sound thin or what have you.
Any
good tips on this?
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SecretSam
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Re: applying recording techniques to the stage - guitar EQ
[Re: Bungle1]
#986643 - 10/05/12 07:38 AM
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I would suspect that it might make the guitar feel odd to play. My reference point is
using compression on a bass: what inevitably happens is that I shred my fingers in trying
instinctively to restore the dynamics that have been removed. Maybe on a big rig, you
could leave monitoring un-studioed, and just high-pass the front-of-house signal.
Try it and tell us what you find !
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Re: applying recording techniques to the stage - guitar EQ
[Re: Bungle1]
#986656 - 10/05/12 08:33 AM
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There's definitely a balance to be managed. My first experience with a regular sound
engineer included an ongoing discussion about his desire to load more higher mids on my
acoustic to but through the mix and mine to soften the harshness that was making playing
an unpleasant experience.
The answer was somewhere in between and the
introduction of a link fed combo. Then the FOH sound was not my problem.
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James Perrett
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Re: applying recording techniques to the stage - guitar EQ
[Re: Bungle1]
#986689 - 10/05/12 10:21 AM
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A high pass filter on anything that isn't a bass instrument is standard practice in some
places. Some guitarists seem to like a ludicrously bassy sound that muddies up the whole
mix so I'd have no hesitation in removing some of the bass to clean up the mix and make
room for the bass guitar. James.
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TheChorltonWheelie
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Re: applying recording techniques to the stage - guitar EQ
[Re: James Perrett]
#986693 - 10/05/12 10:42 AM
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Quote James Perrett:
Some
guitarists seem to like a ludicrously bassy sound that muddies up the whole mix
I'd say that applies to "most"
guitarists, they'll roll of bass happily enough, but then they substitute that with a tad
of mid and a heap of top!
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seablade
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Re: applying recording techniques to the stage - guitar EQ
[Re: James Perrett]
#986700 - 10/05/12 11:10 AM
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Quote James Perrett:
A high pass
filter on anything that isn't a bass instrument is standard practice in some places. Some
guitarists seem to like a ludicrously bassy sound that muddies up the whole mix so I'd
have no hesitation in removing some of the bass to clean up the mix and make room for the
bass guitar.
James.
In most places really. The general rule of thumb is to apply a high pass filter unless
the instrument is one that NEEDS not to have it applied(Bass, Kick, Floor Tom, etc.), or
in some cases is direct(Keys).
For bass my standard practice is run the bass to
a DI and link out of the DI for a bass amp. That provides the majority of monitoring for
the bassist. I have one player at the moment that doesn't understand that his FOH sound
doesn't come from his amp, and that he doesn't NEED to crank it up(Which is drowning out
everything else on his side of the stage, causing people to request even more monitors).
Other than that noone else has ever had a problem with this arrangement.
For
Elex my standard is to mic the cabinet, and for the most part the cabinet provides a lot
of the sound of the instrument for the player. I then high-pass/eq it at the console. and
if I need to feed some back into the monitors I will, but I have never had a guitarist
complain about their sound in the monitors after I am through. I will generally high-pass
them between 80 and 120 Hz (Usually closer to 120 except in particular cases, maybe higher
on consoles with a shallower slope on the high-pass).
Seablade
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