Just finished reading Hugh's review in the August mag...

... looks like we've got a game-changer on our hands that will have everyone else running round like headless chickens...

The long-term 'on the road' test will be enlightening... have B'inger really cracked their reliability issues?

We shall see... but for now I'll start thinking how I'll raise £2000...

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Just finished reading Hugh's review in the August mag...

... looks like we've got a game-changer on our hands that will have everyone else running round like headless chickens...

The long-term 'on the road' test will be enlightening... have B'inger really cracked their reliability issues?

We shall see... but for now I'll start thinking how I'll raise £2000...

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I never thought I would lust over a Beh'ringpiece, but it looks like the ugly duckling syndrome maybe and B'ringer has finally evolved into something of grace and beauty, and reliability of course as well.


Now it's a case of Out The Box, then In The Box and then back Out The Box again if I go get one of these!


BTW - has anyone come across, and used, one of these?

http://www.instruments2go.co.uk/Alto-Masterlink-Live-24-24Ch-Mixing-Consol e-With-iPad-Dock-p-4568.html

If I understand it correctly, no interface with a computer, but can dock an iPad and on the iPad have DAW software running so this mixer can interface at least with a DAW on the iPad?

Mixed feelings (sorry for the pun)..

Happy if Behringer have managed to sort out their rather flaky manufacturing standards and have finally delivered a killer product.

But sad because...

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Mixed feelings (sorry for the pun)..

Happy if Behringer have managed to sort out their rather flaky manufacturing standards and have finally delivered a killer product.

But sad because...

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Eh? What am I missing?

Am I being Mr Naive here? Won't be the first time!

The Composer and the Autocom were good, basic compressors, although I've heard that they were based on somebody else's design.

The cable tester is a useful piece of kit, even if it doesn't test every cable known to personkind.

Sometimes Behringer come up with the goods.

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Mixed feelings (sorry for the pun)..

Happy if Behringer have managed to sort out their rather flaky manufacturing standards and have finally delivered a killer product.

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Eh? What am I missing?

Am I being Mr Naive here? Won't be the first time!

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It's the buzzword of the marketing zombies!... I hope you haven't been bitten

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it looks a bit plasticky

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LOL... with a member name of Airfix this must SURELY be a case of 'the pot calling the kettle black' if ever I heard one

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Just finished reading Hugh's review in the August mag...

... looks like we've got a game-changer on our hands that will have everyone else running round like headless chickens...

The long-term 'on the road' test will be enlightening... have B'inger really cracked their reliability issues?

We shall see... but for now I'll start thinking how I'll raise £2000...

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I never thought I would lust over a Beh'ringpiece, but it looks like the ugly duckling syndrome maybe and B'ringer has finally evolved into something of grace and beauty, and reliability of course as well.:



Now it's a case of Out The Box, then In The Box and then back Out The Box again if I go get one of these!


BTW - has anyone come across, and used, one of these?

http://www.instruments2go.co.uk/Alto-Masterlink-Live-24-24Ch-Mixing-Consol e-With-iPad-Dock-p-4568.html

If I understand it correctly, no interface with a computer, but can dock an iPad and on the iPad have DAW software running so this mixer can interface at least with a DAW on the iPad?

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Oneword - I understand that it does interface with a compter/laptop both for recording and as a control surface using fiwi or usb with embedded midi. Plus an app for the ipad for remote control (android on its way).

To get the oppinion of someone who has reviewed the desk in live action go and look at the x32 thread on soundforums
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Compare it with A&H's GLD - that looks rather more plasticy but at this point in time, I suspect more people would happily pay more money for the GLD than for the X32. Time will tell.

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Mixed feelings (sorry for the pun)..

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Eh? What am I missing?

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Ah! I see... you've clearly got me muddled-up with someone who's had an education. There isn't a clichy around that I won't grab with both hands whenever the opportunity arises.

There's another forum out there (soundforums.net) where a guy has had a test console for a few months. He's posted some very detailed replies to questions. He's done over 30 gigs with it and so far it hasn't put a foot wrong.
He's even tested the S16 snake system.
The thread is well worth a read for anyone considering buying this console.

Stu.

P.S. I'd also happily pay more for the A&H GLD system, but I don't have that sort of money and probably never will. £2k however is more within my reach so therefore the console warrants a look. With the first batch pretty much sold out, I guess that by the time the second batch is shipped, the early adopters will have been able to identify any shortcomings. Early adopter is just another word for 'unpaid tester'...!

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+1. Except, of course, that's a direct rip-off of someone else's design as well.

Thing about the X32 is that it's the first 'real' product that's come out since Music Group acquired Midas and Klark Teknik. But the X32 isn't a clone of anything. The worst you could accuse them of is developing something that Midas had already started. If this mixer had Midas written on it everywhere it currently says Behringer, I wonder how much speculation there'd be about whether it was any good or not. I don't suppose Hugh associated his name with Behringer (by writing a broadly positive review) lightly!

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Oneword - I understand that it does interface with a compter/laptop both for recording and as a control surface using fiwi or usb with embedded midi. Plus an app for the ipad for remote control (android on its way).

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I have been on various websites and cannot see any mention of either firewire or USB?

err..how about the Behringer website.....

http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/X32.aspx

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Oo-er, missus!

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The Future is Here—Now!

X32 ships with the insanely powerful XUF FireWire/USB audio interface card pre-installed in the expansion slot right out-of-the-box! XUF provides lowlatency 24-bit audio interfacing with Mac or PC host computers in the form of 32 In x 32 Out channels and MIDI. It even transmits HUI and Mackie Control data along with the audio I/O, which provides convenient remote control of your DAW via the X32 group fader section controls. XUF is compatible with CoreAudio on Mac OS 10.5 and above, and high-performance ASIO drivers for Windows PC are downloadable from behringer.com.
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http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/X32.aspx

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http://www.instruments2go.co.uk/Alto-Masterlink-Live-24-24Ch-Mixing-Consol e-With-iPad-Dock-p-4568.html

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My fault - as a first reply to the thread presumed you were talking about the x32 - your link passed me by!

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Sorry the curse of quotes within quotes within quotes.....

I watched tha NAMM presetsation on youtube and all the time the presenter kept using the word "show", and phrases like "artists' monitor mix" and "record the show" and all the time i was being very impressed with the feature set and layout but thinking ~Hm (nagging doubt) - show (important, one chance to get it right) - digital (foh, scary) - behringer~

It is understandable why people will be initially a little hesitant about buying into something as complex as the X32, given the company's often dubious association with reliability and build quality. And I have to say I approached the X32 with that mind set... but I quickly became quite enthusiastic about the thing. It isn't 'plasticy' -- it feels solid and well made. It comes with a three year warranty, too, which says something very positive about Behringer's expectations of reliability. There us no doubt at all that this is a seriously competent desk and it is being offered at a stunningly cost-effective price. It is a very aggressive marketing launch and it will really upset the existing players in this market big time -- hopefully that will be to the benefit of everyone in as other modesl will have to be offered at lower prices to sell at all... but it might also backfire in removing the R&D funding for future products!

I don't know the inner details of Behringers acquisition of Midas and KT, but I suspect they aren't trying to directly recoup and reinvest for R&D costs here...

We will be having a follow-up review of the desk after using it in genuine live-sound applications in a forthcoming issue. In the meantime all I can say is that I was genuinely impressed and, if I was in the market for a new digital live sound console, I would buy the X32 without hesitation. I'd also think about it very seriously as a recording console too...

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Looks interesting. Limited 3 year warranty sounds promising. Just better hope it's not one of the following that fail:

Digital Displays / LCDs
Meters
Switches / Sensors
VRS / Potentiometers
Loudspeaker drivers or diaphragm assemblies
All faders including cross-faders and motorized faders
Any mechanical component that may be affected by externally applied force

Excluded from the 3years by looks of the small print on the web site.

There's a very comprehensive discussion about the X32 over here, including plenty of real gig experience. Put the kettle on and clear your diary before starting to read though!

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Can I quote you on that!

I really would be interested in finding out more about that 'Alto' mixer, never heard of the company before, but they are selling them at £669.00....

http://www.absolutemusic.co.uk/store/recording-47/mixers-473/alto-masterli nk-live-24-24-channel-mixer-with-ipad-dock-47175

Which seems incredibly cheap but all the info is quite scant, all the info says a lot but doesn't tell you much!

I've just read the Alto web page on the Masterlink mixer and It appears to be an analogue mixer with an iPad dock. It says iPad is used for main bus processing and it can record the main outs (in stereo only, no multitrack capability claimed). I'm sure someone will correct me if I've jumped to one to many conclusions here.

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Ah good! I was hoping it might be Mr C.... knows his stuff, works on the same sort of stuff as a lot of us do and writes a clear and easily understandable review with a 'hands-on' perspective.

(So far I've saved £1.36... - see O/P)

"...well that's sixpence we've got, Baldrick."

I still can't can't get over H.R. with a BEHRINGER!

To date I have had a BCA2000. On my third then the ch1 mic pre chip went west. SM component so I built a postage stamp board with an NE5534. Worked. Then a month later ch2 went down, could not be arsed again so it sits in a corner. Shame because when they EVENTUALLY got some drivers for it it was very good and there is still nothing quite like it on the market (name me an AI with a MIDI thru' skt?)

But my Xenyx mixer lasted 3 yrs no sweat and still runs all the time in a bedroom amping up a pair of mics in the garden. I had a UCA 202,useful, reliable better than any PC OBS.

Dave.

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Ah good! I was hoping it might be Mr C.... knows his stuff, works on the same sort of stuff as a lot of us do and writes a clear and easily understandable review with a 'hands-on' perspective.

(So far I've saved £1.36... - see O/P)

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I might not be Mike Crofts, but as a very new user of the p16 monitor system, it's _lovely_... And so cheap, it doesn't matter if the musicians spill stuff into the mixers as I can afford to have several spares! I'm installing our system onto a new stage and it will be up and running in mid-september. Unfortuantely the Berry digi desk has come just too late for the install, which is going to be built around a roland m480 and their REAC multi- but the REAC stageboxes have a large number of outs so we're going to use 8 for the P16 system to start with.

Anyone interested in learning more about the X32 and Behringer's plans for world domination should log in to the forum a week on Friday -- Friday 3rd August -- at 3pm UK time.

Sound On Sound will be hosting a live Q&A session on this forum with Uli Behringer as well as a product specialist and a couple of other Music Group people. More details next week.

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Though made in China has meant cheap, low quality and poor training in the past, that is really changing. With Behringer having their own building in China, having a lot of control on training, treating people with a comfortable work place and not having child labor, things are looking up. SE Electronics is another company making some good products in China. With all that being said, Behringer has always went to the high school kids budget when offering equipment. I am very encouraged by this new mixer, and I would like to see Behringer continue to move from best cheapest stuff out there to at least a offering a group of mid level components out there. this is what I would want to say to Behringer. You make some stomp boxes, but how about making them a little more sturdy amd reliable.

This X32 is clearly better than the Presonus live mixers in some ways. I am not sure how the mic pre's, converters , and effects compare, but the work flow and size of the mixer is nicer on the Behringer. Yamaha clearly makes higher end digital mixers, but for live applications I would be curious to hear how much of a difference there is in sound. With a pro band where quality in pre's, and converters are important, Yamaha may be a better option, but for churches and clubs, the X32 may just be just the ticket.

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" but for churches and clubs, the X32 may just be just the ticket."

Glenn! Are you really suggesting that "HE" does not rate SSL Pre amps?

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" but for churches and clubs, the X32 may just be just the ticket."

Glenn! Are you really suggesting that "HE" does not rate SSL Pre amps?

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Seeing as how I, among other work, currently work full time in a church doing audio, I will gladly take an SSL over Behringer;)

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