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more reaper issues
      #1003334 - 13/08/12 05:48 PM
hey !! Hey you!

yes you.

Reaper. Right - I'm beginning to hate this program. I jumped on board with it several years ago and the more I get into it the more I hate it!! Click on an edit and export it? No chance.... convoluted, certainly. Cuckos - STOP TRYING TO RE_INVENT THE WHEEL! your advantages are small footprint and quick load - stop trying to make things difficult!!

Honestly - the way they are developing this program is getting worse and worse.....


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Re: more reaper issues new [Re: narcoman]
      #1003348 - 13/08/12 06:53 PM
file-render-choose tracks

Add bwf etc if needed.


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Re: more reaper issues new [Re: narcoman]
      #1003349 - 13/08/12 06:56 PM
no - that renders the whole time line selection. When doing hundreds of edits to generate output for other system use you just want to be abel to do "export clips" or something smiler. It seems the more I get into it (and don't get me wrong - there are so many things to like about it) the more I feel it's purely aimed at home users making songs. It's missing so many things!!

Reaper could completely take over and have paying users at the high end if they'd think beyond bands and pop songs!!


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Re: more reaper issues new [Re: narcoman]
      #1003354 - 13/08/12 07:09 PM
That'll be 'export' - but I understand what you mean! Until one has done a few ins and out of files and stems and seen what come out at the other end when getting the whole thing into PT or Radar, one tends to go into WTF mode!

Consolidate - entire project (or selected tracks) as BWF - turn off 'ignore silence' - browse for folder in output (don't update project unless you want this!)


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Re: more reaper issues new [Re: narcoman]
      #1003357 - 13/08/12 07:13 PM
SO is there any way to just select the edited audio and have it export that? Anything obvious I'm missing?


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Re: more reaper issues new [Re: narcoman]
      #1003358 - 13/08/12 07:19 PM
I have just edited in the answer above, but all you have to do is select a whole or a section of a track(s) and export as above to your selected folder.


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Re: more reaper issues new [Re: narcoman]
      #1003359 - 13/08/12 07:21 PM
ah - so you can't select 100 or so edited parts and export those? I tried using the "region maker" for region manager but it is very cumbersome. They need to stay as separate files.


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Re: more reaper issues new [Re: narcoman]
      #1003360 - 13/08/12 07:23 PM
How about file>export/consolidate

doh, he's already said that, sorry.

Edited by ow (13/08/12 07:24 PM)


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Re: more reaper issues new [Re: narcoman]
      #1003363 - 13/08/12 07:34 PM
TBH, I'm not too sure what it is that you are trying to do.

You can export any file or section of a file, as long as it is selected. Similarly, you can export any tracks in whole or in part. If you want to export an edited track, highlight the separate parts and glue them and then export.


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Re: more reaper issues new [Re: narcoman]
      #1003365 - 13/08/12 07:39 PM
I'm exporting/consolidating selected items as separate files as we speak.

It's not what I'm supposed to be doing but you will ask interesting questions.

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Re: more reaper issues new [Re: The Red Bladder]
      #1003366 - 13/08/12 07:40 PM
I think what he's trying to do is get a track, chop it up and then tell reaper to expert all the bits as separate files with perhaps an _1 _2 and so on.

I've done this when i sampled my electric piano, but i can't remember how. I'm pretty sure i searched the cockos forum and someone had done a macro (custom actions thingy) but i don't seem to have it.


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Re: more reaper issues new [Re: shufflebeat]
      #1003367 - 13/08/12 07:41 PM
Quote shufflebeat:

I'm exporting/consolidating selected items as separate files as we speak.

It's not what I'm supposed to be doing but you will ask interesting questions.




Nice.


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Re: more reaper issues new [Re: narcoman]
      #1003369 - 13/08/12 07:43 PM
Consolidate selection mapped to a handy key timestamps the files.

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Re: more reaper issues new [Re: ]
      #1003371 - 13/08/12 07:48 PM
Quote ow:

I think what he's trying to do is get a track, chop it up and then tell reaper to expert all the bits as separate files with perhaps an _1 _2 and so on.

I've done this when i sampled my electric piano, but i can't remember how. I'm pretty sure i searched the cockos forum and someone had done a macro (custom actions thingy) but i don't seem to have it.




Exactly that.

Why is it so hard to do? It's a pretty basic thing!! In PT, Nuendo, Cubase, Logic, Sadie etc etc - you just select the regions and export. Done.

So if someone can tell me how then I'll be a happy bunny!! Would like to use Reaper to do the gig as it's cheaper for me to buy 22 licenses of Reaper rather than PT !!


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Re: more reaper issues new [Re: narcoman]
      #1003375 - 13/08/12 07:59 PM
I think TRB's nailed it. I've mapped SW/AV extension "consolidate selection" to a key. Select item, hit key, done.

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Re: more reaper issues new [Re: narcoman]
      #1003376 - 13/08/12 08:02 PM
Quote narcoman:


...select the regions and export. Done.





Hang on - multiple items or regions?

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Re: more reaper issues new [Re: narcoman]
      #1003380 - 13/08/12 08:09 PM
okay - DAW different terminology differences approaching - what's the difference? Until recently a region was what PT now calls an audio "clip".


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Re: more reaper issues new [Re: narcoman]
      #1003383 - 13/08/12 08:15 PM
Item = individual (trimmed) area of recorded media on a specific track.
Region = Defined area of timeline within specific limits across all tracks.

My clumsy definitions.

For what it's worth I did have a play with the region manager when doing a little sample set for myself and didn't find it straightforward. As always there was a much simpler way that the Cockos brothers had anticipated.

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Edited by shufflebeat (13/08/12 08:19 PM)


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Re: more reaper issues new [Re: narcoman]
      #1003385 - 13/08/12 08:17 PM
not your fault. Every DAW uses different terms. So under those terms - I want to export all the "items". It'll end up being thousands of edit and nobody wants to export them one at a time (come to think of it - also need auto re-naming an respotting - but I'll get to that later).

PT is great for it, but I'd prefer to use Reaper as I can then afford to hire more people... you know, creating more jobs n all that....


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Re: more reaper issues new [Re: narcoman]
      #1003386 - 13/08/12 08:18 PM
I think this might be covered with the SWS extension pack, i found this note...

I think the action "SWS: Create regions from sel. item(s) named with take" is what you want then (you'll need SWS extensions installed), which automatically creates a region for every item. If this is done you can continue what I wrote in post #22.

AWESOME!!!

DONE! thanks!!



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Re: more reaper issues new [Re: narcoman]
      #1003388 - 13/08/12 08:20 PM
btw this came from the last post on this thread

http://forum.cockos.com/archive/index.php/t-12340.html

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Re: more reaper issues new [Re: ]
      #1003392 - 13/08/12 08:32 PM
I know what you mean with Reaper - I love it, but it does soo much that i forget the shortcuts and actions!

It can be a pain at times.

All I want is a similar thing, an icon or action to save whatever is higlighted as a new file? - that simple - just like an editor does..

So cut some audio out of another peice, press a save icon/button and it brings up a rename, and you save exactly whats shown as a new file to a destination or folder - simple.

No glueing, exporting etc.. such a simplerequest surely but it doesnt exist!


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Re: more reaper issues new [Re: ]
      #1003395 - 13/08/12 08:46 PM
Quote ow:

btw this came from the last post on this thread

http://forum.cockos.com/archive/index.php/t-12340.html

If it works, will ya make me a STAR!!!??? will ya will ya, Narco




tried it - but the noted command isn't in the SWS library! Or I'm being dumb.

You are already a star. x


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Re: more reaper issues new [Re: narcoman]
      #1003396 - 13/08/12 09:21 PM
okay. Got it working. Not brilliant - but not bad. Not bad at all...... will be an issue across multiple tracks but for this issue e- does it nicely


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Re: more reaper issues new [Re: narcoman]
      #1003419 - 14/08/12 02:07 AM
Quote narcoman:

okay. Got it working. Not brilliant - but not bad.




I don't get it. I seem to be doing with one hit exactly what it was you wanted. What am I missing?

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Re: more reaper issues new [Re: shufflebeat]
      #1003428 - 14/08/12 06:36 AM
Quote shufflebeat:

Quote narcoman:

okay. Got it working. Not brilliant - but not bad.




I don't get it. I seem to be doing with one hit exactly what it was you wanted. What am I missing?




yes for clarity, I'd like to know what you got working and to see if I've missed a better quicker way of doing this?


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Re: more reaper issues new [Re: narcoman]
      #1003442 - 14/08/12 08:08 AM
Quote narcoman:

okay. Got it working. Not brilliant - but not bad. Not bad at all...... will be an issue across multiple tracks but for this issue e- does it nicely




How did you resolve it Narc?

I have other issues with Reaper that have seen me 'pencil' one ear and hammer my left nut with a small valve combo.

I get a bit fed up of the sws vibes. Whjy the hyell can't they be tested and incorporated as feature sets?

I just don't know anymore....



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Re: more reaper issues new [Re: shufflebeat]
      #1003446 - 14/08/12 08:18 AM
Quote shufflebeat:

Quote narcoman:

okay. Got it working. Not brilliant - but not bad.




I don't get it. I seem to be doing with one hit exactly what it was you wanted. What am I missing?




IF you have multiple lanes of stuff you cant output it all at the same time. The regions defined are time bounded so unless you other "items" line up the same they get clipped or padded. When running multiple foley effects, dialogue and languages these can get huge. You've also got to then export the "regions" separately. Works - but in an "okay" manner. Feels like a work around rather than elegant solution.


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Re: more reaper issues new [Re: narcoman]
      #1003449 - 14/08/12 08:32 AM
I seem to remember installing the SWS pack when i was doing my little sampling exercise but they cocked something else up and i get rid of them.

I think the trick with reaper is that very complex tasks can be performed, but by using the custom actions ie, writing (constructing) a macro.

It's all in there but i think because of the way the thing was written (input from user community) its very "geeky" and their user base was happy to bugger about.

Now it's being adopted by pros and people with actual deadlines these issues will start to surface.

But i would get on the cockos forum, introduce yourself as a professional PT user and ask for the feature, because you'll likely get it written into a release, and probably by next wednesday!

It's how they've designed the thing all along.


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Re: more reaper issues new [Re: narcoman]
      #1003455 - 14/08/12 08:47 AM
good tip. Might do.


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Re: more reaper issues new [Re: narcoman]
      #1003470 - 14/08/12 10:00 AM
As far as I can see the extensions packs that make Reaper so versatile (produced by the team at Standing Water Studio, not Cockos Staff) also make it a bit... fragmented in it's public presentation. I don't mind this, it gives the whole project a kind of co-operative ambience which in turn I think encourages others to give of themselves a little.

The forum itself is soaked in the milk of human kindness along with the usual psychotic rants but I've found it a bit hit and miss when it comes to actual technical background if you don't happen to connect with an actual dev.

Keep us posted.

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Re: more reaper issues new [Re: narcoman]
      #1003478 - 14/08/12 11:05 AM
Quote narcoman:

IF you have multiple lanes of stuff you cant output it all at the same time. The regions defined are time bounded so unless you other "items" line up the same they get clipped or padded. When running multiple foley effects, dialogue and languages these can get huge. You've also got to then export the "regions" separately. Works - but in an "okay" manner. Feels like a work around rather than elegant solution.




Sounds like you are making life unnecessarily complicated for yourself. Even if you were to be recording and overdubbing Lord of the Rings Part III, you would logically boil things down to stems and set time regions and these are within scenes and the scenes are within acts or sections (or whatever you want to go for).

If you want to go for multiple editors (you mention 20+) then iron discipline is required and all sections have to have the same length (our old friend Phil Silence) and all things have to be understandable by the dumbest and most scatter-brained of your editing crew. Try to imagine you had me as one of them and you will begin to see the scale by which you will have to simplify things for the feeble-minded.

A handful of stems for the music, one or two each for grams, FX, Foleys, etc. and then comes all the dialogue gubbins. If you are working in multiple languages (rather than dialogue happening within that market) then you may need to keep each and every language separate and with all the stems - otherwise you could have Bilbo Baggins getting it up the arse from that giant spider and calling out "Oh nein! Du, das tut weh! Benütze etwas Öl, sonst spiele ich nicht mehr mit!"


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Re: more reaper issues new [Re: narcoman]
      #1003495 - 14/08/12 12:35 PM
ah if only it was something that had as little dialogue as LOTR!!!



It's a big gig with a lot of editing and multiple versioning. Just one heck of a lot of editing.


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Re: more reaper issues new [Re: narcoman]
      #1003497 - 14/08/12 12:38 PM
Do you mean 'benoetige' ? (sorry, can't find the umlaut key)

And if the relationship between Sam and Frodo was correctly represented in Lord of the Rings, I wouldn't be at all surprised if that sentence appeared in the uncut German edition of The Hobbit.

Along with such gems as:

'Wo hast du das? Das ist größer als der größte Gemüse in meinem Kühlschrank !'

and

'Himmel! Ich wünschte, du hättest etwas anderes als eine Ananas gewählt: die ganz wund ist.'

(Sorry Narcoman. I don't know anything about Reaper, but I'm bored this afternoon.)

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Re: more reaper issues new [Re: narcoman]
      #1003559 - 14/08/12 06:34 PM
that'll do , Sam, that'll do.


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Re: more reaper issues new [Re: narcoman]
      #1003635 - 15/08/12 08:35 AM
:-)

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Re: more reaper issues new [Re: Zukan]
      #1003658 - 15/08/12 11:07 AM
Quote Zukan:

Quote narcoman:

okay. Got it working. Not brilliant - but not bad. Not bad at all...... will be an issue across multiple tracks but for this issue e- does it nicely




How did you resolve it Narc?








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Re: more reaper issues new [Re: narcoman]
      #1003691 - 15/08/12 01:33 PM
with that add on pack and just did it one track at a time. Not as elegant as PT but works none the less.


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Re: more reaper issues new [Re: narcoman]
      #1003696 - 15/08/12 02:42 PM
Quote narcoman:

It seems the more I get into it (and don't get me wrong - there are so many things to like about it) the more I feel it's purely aimed at home users making songs.




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Re: more reaper issues new [Re: narcoman]
      #1004183 - 18/08/12 11:03 AM
The German postings made it all worth it that I took German way back in the day even though didn't use much

Narcoman - a crayz thought but have you asked the "leading" DAW brand (Alsihad), or maybe the not so-leading one, such as Nuendo, if they wouldn't like to underwrite the project with generous donations if included in the scores?

It might be worth a shot...

I'd personally prefer on such a project editors that are familiar with the software, which I think will save more time than the software cost itself and I am not sure if Reaper would have such a strong user base that you can hire from.

To be honest I find Reaper probably one of the most complicated DAWs to edit audio on, had to put together a comp version of a guitar solo I did for a blues online collaboration and since it was free and I was away from home it was the only option for my new laptop so I went with it. Can't say I was very impressed as the audio edits have a pretty weird behaviour out of the box.

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