Persuazion
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Guitar amps. I'm going small!
#1007652 - 08/09/12 04:50 PM
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Absolutely love the sound of smaller amps in the studio. After years of recording big
stacks with power soaks just so you can drive them, I'm in search of as many small heads
and combos as I can find. I think the next purchase may be the Blackstar HT-5
Head. I've auditioned a load and that one was really pleasing for quite a wide range of
sounds. Quite liked the cabs too. Also the Ampeg Micro VR bass head has caught
my eye. Getting the most out of these little amps while being able to keep the
volume at a reasonable studio level is so much nicer than working with bigger stacks and
ear guards! Obviously there are times when you want to move some air but for
now, small is the future for me!
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#1007658 - 08/09/12 06:30 PM
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I've scaled down on quite a few things as well but I find it hard to get serious high gain
tones from small amps as something seems to be missing, so for now I am still recording
these with a JCM900 on half power cranked full through a 4x12 (unfortunately have to reamp
as I can't crank it at certain times), which is indicated as 25 watts but feels quite a
bit more.
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#1007660 - 08/09/12 06:39 PM
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I bought a 1W JCM800 from the Marshall 25th Anniversary range and it records really well.
Better than my 100W JCM2000 The neighbours are happier
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#1007662 - 08/09/12 07:33 PM
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Bollocks. Get the biggest amp you can find. J
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#1007663 - 08/09/12 07:35 PM
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Six...I'm sort of intrigued by those 1w JCM800's. I'm fully prepared to believe that it is
better than the JCM2000 but that's mainly because the JCM800 is an amazing amp and the
JCM2000 is...not. But I'd love to hear how you find it in the longer run. J
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#1007665 - 08/09/12 07:41 PM
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Heard someone gig with a larger amp from these guys the other day, sounded
sweet.
http://www.haydenamps.com/products/classic-series/petite-5
updated, did not realise the 5watt amp has switchable valves in built, so should
be quite flexible
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#1007666 - 08/09/12 07:42 PM
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Audiokitchen have the Little Chopper, and now The Big Trees pedal, which is also a little
valve amp. Sounds really good. Not cheap, but posh. J
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Persuazion
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#1007671 - 08/09/12 08:22 PM
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Quote Jack Ruston:
Audiokitchen
have the Little Chopper, and now The Big Trees pedal, which is also a little valve amp.
Sounds really good. Not cheap, but posh.
J
Dude! They look awesome! Love the look of
the big trees and they both sound amazing! What kind of money's in those beasts?
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Edited by Persuazion (08/09/12 08:23 PM)
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#1007675 - 08/09/12 08:51 PM
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I think the Little Chopper is about 1200 or so and the Big Trees about 600...Off the top
of my head. Not exactly sure. J
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#1007678 - 08/09/12 09:02 PM
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The Big Trees will be mine. Oh yes.... To be honest, I'd sell my JCM800
tomorrow for it. I'm soo bored of it. As trusty and reliable as it is. The
little chopper is beautiful too. Hmmm... Got me thinking now!
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#1007679 - 08/09/12 09:04 PM
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Now you see, the thing is, the Big Chopper is AMAZING. J
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Persuazion
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#1007680 - 08/09/12 09:15 PM
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It really does sound great. I'm really lusting after vintage distortions. 70s, mid range
saturated sounds. Ripped speakers and natural breakup. My little wem clubman is great for
that kind of thing. Tapped into it so I can use a power soak between it and the speaker. I
just love that sound. And my bro recently got a vintage Park that just hits all those spts
perfectly. And how much did he get the (basically vintage Marshall) amp for? ....
£70!!!!!!! The swine!  at least I
get to borrow it!
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#1007683 - 08/09/12 09:43 PM
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That's awesome. Love the WEM stuff. I'm on the lookout for a WEM Audiomaster mixer
actually. J
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Persuazion
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#1007685 - 08/09/12 09:49 PM
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Wow, rare as hen's teeth I'd expect? Lovely looking things! How do they sound? I've got
copycat (iPad spell check!!) hidden away for me till I have the pennies.
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#1007690 - 08/09/12 11:00 PM
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Quote Persuazion:
I'd sell my
JCM800 tomorrow for it.
Haha, I meant my jcm2000! I'd probably hang onto an 800 if I did have one.
Another head I'm trying to find is a Laney Klipp. Soo nice and does that vintage 70s
vibe really well.
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#1007719 - 09/09/12 10:29 AM
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Peavey Classic and the Crate Palomino do those 70s sounds really well.
In bigger
amps for 70s stuff, the Laney AOR is superb.
JCM2000 - TSL or DSL? The DSL is a lot
better sounding from what I remember, as somehow they managed to squeeze 3 channels out
of the same amount of power tubes on the TSL and cut some corners in the process.
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Persuazion
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#1007736 - 09/09/12 12:37 PM
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Cool, I'll check those out. Mine is a DSL, 50w, so it's not too bad. Nothing
particularly inspiring but always delivers the goods. Kind of the sm57 of the amp world
for me
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Persuazion
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#1007746 - 09/09/12 03:22 PM
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Also, during my search through all the amps in the shop, I I discovered the fender
excelsior. What a lovely amp for clean! And a steal at around £230 iirc. Love the idea of
having a few nice amps specifically for clean tones. Also the blackheart
little giant sounds really nice but issues with noise seem to be all over the net, which
is a shame. To be honest, I'd have a room full of WEM Clubmans. Every one I've
heard sounds different but mostly all in a good way. I've only ever heard the dominator
used for Jazz gigs but I'd be interested to see how they sound driven.
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#1007753 - 09/09/12 04:31 PM
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...i like our guitarists orange and he used a Meta (Mete?) amp speaker we call
it a matalan amp.... really nice for recording - loverly and lush sirup(?)
sounding heads
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#1007756 - 09/09/12 04:48 PM
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Quote Wease:
...i like our
guitarists orange
and he used a Meta (Mete?) amp speaker
we call it a matalan
amp....
really nice for recording - loverly and lush sirup(?) sounding heads
What Orange does he use
mate? I've always found orange amps a bit 'fizzy' and cold. Only used their combos though.
I've got a nice orange (coloured) MatAmp 15" cab that I like a lot.
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#1007757 - 09/09/12 05:00 PM
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I've just tried to ring him (to sort rehersals) but he's not answering yet...but i will
find out
I know he changed the valves on it as well.....will ask him that as
well
the guitar sound is on the link of our songs....I didn't bother eq'ing
them cause the sound is very nice (to my ears)
It's only a small head
tho....great amp (with the changed valves)
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/33756_453569449037_609407_n
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above is a picture (if it works) of the whole caboodal - right on
the left - he's looking at it
Matamp is the cab! - and it's 2 speaker...so
presume much the same as yours......a nice genteel beige!
I'll find out and
post!
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#1007761 - 09/09/12 05:40 PM
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orange amp is called rocker 30 valves vl34 matamp c7 with a kt88 apparently all of the above are discontinued - and the matamp was custom made and your not allowed to nick his guitar sound!!
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#1007762 - 09/09/12 05:46 PM
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Looks like an AD30? They're all pretty similar looking! I'm on the Lappy but I'll have a
listen when I can, cheers!
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#1007763 - 09/09/12 05:47 PM
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Quote Wease:
orange amp is called
rocker 30 valves vl34 matamp c7 with a kt88
apparently all of the
above are discontinued - and the matamp was custom made
and your not
allowed to nick his guitar sound!!
Haha, great cheers!
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#1007769 - 09/09/12 06:39 PM
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The orange th30 is cool sounding. It can be fizzy at the wrong settings but it's like a
jcm800 when it's right. J
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#1007778 - 09/09/12 09:33 PM
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Can't say I've heard a bad Orange amp yet.
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Persuazion
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#1007780 - 09/09/12 10:10 PM
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Anyone ever used the tiny terror or crush amps in the studio? I've always thought they'd
be a little nasty but I may have orange all wrong! I think bad guitars and players have
played their part in the few experiences I've had with orange.
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#1007785 - 09/09/12 11:00 PM
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I haven't yet recorded it, but I use the tiny terror live. Goes into a 2x12 orange cab
with celestion vintage 30s in. With my set-up I've found you have to run the
master at full and control volume with the gain to get the best tone. If you have a band
where you can crank the gain up to the point where it just starts to crunch, then pull the
guitar volume knob back for clean, it sounds sweet. Use a way huge fat sandwich
for the heavy dirty tones.
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Persuazion
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#1007787 - 09/09/12 11:34 PM
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Cool, I'll need to give some orange amps a try. None in the shop near me just now. Ah, the fat sandwich! On my never ending 'things I need' list!
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#1007799 - 10/09/12 06:38 AM
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The TT does a sort of filthy blues rock thing quite well but it's not refined like their
larger heads. Different animal. J
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#1007895 - 10/09/12 12:59 PM
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selmer little giant is cool, as are the epiphone valve junior thingies - and all the
copies that sprung up immediately after.
I built a 11 watt Fender tweed deluxe
copy which I love.
And of course there are also all the ££££$£$£$Q$$$$
boutique ones like Dr Z, etc.
Quite liked the Blackstar 5 watt but never tried
the 1 watt.
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#1007912 - 10/09/12 02:48 PM
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Quote IvanSC:
selmer little giant
is cool, as are the epiphone valve junior thingies - and all the copies that sprung up
immediately after.
I built a 11 watt Fender tweed deluxe copy which I
love.
And of course there are also all the ££££$£$£$Q$$$$ boutique ones
like Dr Z, etc.
Quite liked the Blackstar 5 watt but never tried the 1 watt.
Yeah I fancy hearing the
1w Blackstar. The 5w was very nice though. I've been looking at selmers on fleabay. The
little boxy tremble and bass amp heads look really cool (yes, I mean LOOK cool )
Just checked out some demos of the Selmer Little Giant. My gosh! Absolutely
amazing sound! Right up my street so I'll be keeping an eye out for them
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#1008037 - 11/09/12 02:09 PM
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Egnater Tweaker.
lots of different voices, most sound good, excellent value.
Love mine, does (nearly) everything
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#1008046 - 11/09/12 02:48 PM
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I bought a Fender Blues Junior III (15w) for my studio and couldn't be happier. Excelent
clean sound and accepts pedals greatly. I highly recommend it.
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Re: Guitar amps. I'm going small!
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#1008100 - 11/09/12 08:03 PM
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I'd also have a look around for a s/h Harley Benton GA5
OK its Thomann's own
brand, but the PCB says Epiphone as its a junior copy/clone, go figure - made in the same
factory !
You can get some nice sounds with the right pedals in front of
these
And the best thing is new they were around £80 so I guess s/h you'd
pay £50
Worth a punt for that amount of money and a cheap option to have as
well as the more expensive stuff, there are loads of mods on the web if you are that way
inclined.
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#1008105 - 11/09/12 08:07 PM
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Kinda cheesy video but rhythm guitars (channel R) were recorded with Orange TT and Boss
overdrive up front. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Drzl512MEU&feature=youtu.be
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Re: Guitar amps. I'm going small!
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#1008110 - 11/09/12 08:35 PM
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Quote Jack Ruston:
because the
JCM800 is an amazing amp and the JCM2000 is...not.
I'm constantly amused how everyone slags
off the JCM2000. Okay the lead channel isn't great on the TSL models and reliability can
be an issue on some models.....
But on the whole I think mine sounds pretty
good for what I paid for it 12 years ago.
Maybe I just got a good one... I
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#1008112 - 11/09/12 08:43 PM
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It's possible that you did. The DSL isn't a bad sounding amp but it's lacking the
character and vibe that the JCM800 has. The TSL is generally bad sounding. It's not a
one-off sort of problem...They started suffering in the 900's and got worse the more
channels and buttons got added (30th Anniversary etc). If you find a good 70's JMP or an
early JCM800 they're completely different sounding. Much more 'alive' and organic. J
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#1008119 - 11/09/12 09:19 PM
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#1008721 - 16/09/12 07:06 PM
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Loving my VHT Special 6 Ultra head and 1x12 cab. Sparkling Fender-y cleans, breaks up
nicely and takes pedals well too. Not a metal amp by any stretch but Neil Young roar
without the police kicking the door in, love it.
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