awjoe
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mic pre comparison
#1016657 - 01/11/12 05:14 PM
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I very much like the way SOS posts online mp3s to accompany articles in the magazine, and
I really appreciate the mic pre comparison in October's edition. Two things, each
accompanied by a question:
* The differences between ALL of those pres are
pretty subtle, so the conclusion that wants to be drawn is 'well, it doesn't make much
difference which pre I use then'. Is there anything obviously wrong with this kind of
thinking? (I've heard people say 'well, you won't hear much of a difference between this
pre and that pre on ONE recorded source, but when there are ten or twenty miked sources in
the same mix, the difference will become much clearer'.)
* The very slight
preferences and dislikes I had between the various pres were pretty much completely
different/opposite the voting in the 'key to the pres' thread above. Now, I have a huge
capacity for self-doubt, so I'm wondering if this is due to years of my using and
listening to compromised/crummy sound in my home studio - kind of like 'don't waste the
good wine on him - he's been drinking cheap Merlot for so long he actually prefers it'.
Okay, I know you can't assess what I like, but to what extent do you think it's just a
matter of personal preference for this or that (slight) coloration, and to what extent is
it a matter of there being a real difference in terms of clarity and beauty?
Thanks to SOS for both the article and the samples. Years ago, I actually bought a CD
of a mic pre shootout organized by a guy in the US called Lynn Fuston, and on that
occasion as well, I heard little to no difference between the various recordings, but
again, it was just one source being recorded. Anyway, this reinforces my impression that
either there's little difference between pres, or that I don't have the ears to hear it.
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Exalted Wombat
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Re: mic pre comparison
[Re: awjoe]
#1016672 - 01/11/12 06:22 PM
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And even if you went back to cassette with its hiss, or vinyl with its rumble, wow and
clicks - differences that would leap out at you in a comparison test - it wouldn't be
long before your brain stopped listening to the imperfections of the medium and homed in
on the music.
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Hugh Robjohns
SOS Technical Editor
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Re: mic pre comparison
[Re: awjoe]
#1016691 - 01/11/12 08:36 PM
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Preamps are, almost without exception, designed to amplify small signals cleanly with
negligible distortion or other artefacts. In the past, most budget preamps and many
console preamps struggled to do that, but technology advances over the last decade or so
has pretty much resolved that, as our comparison revealed all too clearly.
Strong differences are revealed if you deliberately overdrive a preamp, as its behaviour
when pushed into saturation or clipping depends on the circuit design, and the better
designs behave a lot more musically than the poorer ones. So where deliberate overdrive is
desirable, or where accidental overload is likely, it might pay to invest in a high end
preamp that behaves in a way that suits the situation.
It should also be said
that while solo piano is a challenging signal in many ways, it doesn't reveal every aspect
on its own. I've found that 12 string acoustic guitar is also superb at revealing preamp
differences because of the very complex harmonic interactions -- but getting repeatable
performances made it inappropriate for this specific test.
Hugh
-------------------- Technical Editor, Sound On Sound
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BigAl
Just The Bass Player
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Re: mic pre comparison
[Re: Hugh Robjohns]
#1017874 - 09/11/12 01:41 PM
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Very interesting Hugh, as years ago, my desk preamps were never great so I ended up buying
a few preamps from dbx286, Focusrite Voicemaster and my Presonus MP20, which I still
use. Interesting is that since a channel went down on the MP20 (getting fixed just
now), I've been using a TC Helicon Harmoniser's preamp, and to be honest, it's far better
than the old preamps in the AW4416, so I can see where you're coming from and the days of
the keen amateur spending lots of cash on preamps is long gone in my opinion as the
variations in singing, playing and technique are way more important (and always has been
really).
-------------------- Jack of all trades, master of some.
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Guy Johnson
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Re: mic pre comparison
[Re: awjoe]
#1018049 - 10/11/12 02:37 PM
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Sometimes preamps surprise, as in an old Soundcraft Spirit Live 24:4 Mk 1 ... Made some
nice recordings via direct outs and ADATs, a million years ago now! tu ag an gcarraig
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awjoe
Joined: 08/03/11
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Re: mic pre comparison
[Re: Guy Johnson]
#1020024 - 24/11/12 07:48 AM
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Well, yeah, that's lovely. There was more at work than preamps on that one, though. Just
lovely.
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