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Guitarking



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nt5 and nt55
      #1042413 - 09/04/13 08:18 PM
Hi everyone

Do you really need the pad and hpf on the nt55.
Also i could buy a matched pair nt5 and add the omni caps later but
do these caps need to be matched too?


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Bossman
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Re: nt5 and nt55 new [Re: Guitarking]
      #1042415 - 09/04/13 08:37 PM
Quote Peter Denissen:

Do you really need the pad and hpf on the nt55.




I use the pad on my nt55s often... and find them really useful. and it doesn't hurt to have a HPF on the mic too.

Quote Peter Denissen:


Also i could buy a matched pair nt5 and add the omni caps later but
do these caps need to be matched too?




Yes, the caps need to be matched too to get the best results..

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Re: nt5 and nt55 new [Re: Guitarking]
      #1042417 - 09/04/13 08:42 PM
Quote Peter Denissen:

Do you really need the pad and hpf on the nt55.



Depends on what you want to record. Specifically I wouldn't want to track drums without a pad switch. If you have a pad and HPF on your pre then it might not be much of an issue, but it doesn't hurt to have the option on the mic itself.

Quote Peter Denissen:

Also i could buy a matched pair nt5 and add the omni caps later but do these caps need to be matched too?



Ideally yes (and the NT55 pair come with factory matching documentation for both sets of capsules), but it's debatable how crucial this is. Personally I'm always prepared to pay the extra for matched pairs, especially at the budget end of the market.

If what you're really asking is "Are the NT55s worth paying more for than NT5s and a pair of un-matched omni caps?" then, for me, the answer would be "yes". But that's just me. Yes, it's an additional cost, but you won't be left wondering "what if...?"

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Re: nt5 and nt55 new [Re: Guitarking]
      #1042492 - 10/04/13 09:23 AM
In my case (I have a pair of matched NT5's with omni capsules that I bought later) it might be a case of not missing what I haven't got. My preamps all have pads and filters and I've never, ever noticed any issues with the non-matched omni capsules (TBH, I wasn't expecting to). I'd say if you've the funds to get the NT55's then go for it, but if you can only afford the NT5's plus omni cpsules then don't lose sleep over it.

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Guitarking



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Re: nt5 and nt55 new [Re: Guitarking]
      #1042624 - 10/04/13 02:28 PM
lol! Two opposite opinions, thanks! No just joking!
Can anyone shine a light on this, maybe one of the SOS staff members?
Does the matched omni capsule really matter so buy matched NT55's or might I as well
go for NT5's with added capsules?


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Re: nt5 and nt55 new [Re: Guitarking]
      #1042649 - 10/04/13 03:35 PM
No, I don't think the Elf and I are saying opposite things, not quite the same, admittedly but close enough

I just don't think it's a major issue either way.

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Re: nt5 and nt55 new [Re: ConcertinaChap]
      #1042691 - 10/04/13 05:01 PM
Yup, I'm with him ^^

It's nice to have a properly matched pair of NT55s with the additional features they include, but it isn't the end of the world if you go for the cheaper pragmatic option.

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Re: nt5 and nt55 new [Re: Guitarking]
      #1042739 - 10/04/13 08:58 PM
Presumably the pad on the mic is to keep the mic amp from overloading, rather than the following preamp, though it would serve that function as well.

I don't use the mic's, but I don't recall seeing complaints about the mic amp (NT5) not coping with high SPL's, OTH perhaps those recording high SPL's are using the 55's.

Those with better memories than mine may recall that very early on the sensitivity of the NT5 was changed to accommodate higher SPL's.

(I've you see this post elsewhere, it was there by mistake, it belongs here. Sorry for the confusion.)


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Re: nt5 and nt55 new [Re: Guitarking]
      #1042765 - 11/04/13 12:14 AM
I've recently purchased a set of NT5 mics for stereo overhead duty. I'm very happy with them


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Re: nt5 and nt55 new [Re: Guitarking]
      #1043011 - 12/04/13 11:13 AM
I'm looking to buy a pair of these to experiment with positioning but need justification to spend the extra cash on the 55's.

I know you can get optional capsules for the NT5's and have heard that these mics really perform when paired with the Omni capsule. However, the 55's already come with the Omni capsules in the matched set as well as the cardioid and you also get the pad switch and hi pass filter on each.

Now, this is where my dilemma lies- Are the 55's worth the extra money and has anyone noticed a difference in quality?

What benefits will the extra features give me both short term and long term?


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Re: nt5 and nt55 new [Re: LeeJamieHayes]
      #1043062 - 12/04/13 03:02 PM
If you read back up this thread you might find your answer ...

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Re: nt5 and nt55 new [Re: Guitarking]
      #1043069 - 12/04/13 03:59 PM
As CC says, the answer's further up the thread, or to put it another way, the HPF and pad on the NT55 are FEATURES. Advertising works by making FEATURES sound like BENEFITS. For it to be a benefit, you must decide it's actually a benefit to you, otherwise it's still just a feature. Given that you're having to ask, I suspect the plan would be to go for the NT5s, buy the omni caps and then use the HPF on your mixer and buy a pad if you ever need one. Then the benefit is that the NT5/omni cap combo is cheaper than the NT55 set (and slightly shorter, IIRC).

By the way, I bought the NT55 set, because for me the benefit was having the whole thing together, in a single case and ready to roll. I could see myself using the pad or the HPF switches, but they weren't essentials. Your benefit probably lies elsewhere - don't be afraid to draw your own conclusions because, let's face it, you know more about how you work and what you want to do than any of us. Either way, if you keep them pristine, they should have a fair resale value though less than you paid.


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Re: nt5 and nt55 new [Re: tacitus]
      #1043092 - 12/04/13 04:46 PM
Quote tacitus:

As CC says, the answer's further up the thread, or to put it another way, the HPF and pad on the NT55 are FEATURES. Advertising works by making FEATURES sound like BENEFITS. For it to be a benefit, you must decide it's actually a benefit to you, otherwise it's still just a feature. Given that you're having to ask, I suspect the plan would be to go for the NT5s, buy the omni caps and then use the HPF on your mixer and buy a pad if you ever need one. Then the benefit is that the NT5/omni cap combo is cheaper than the NT55 set (and slightly shorter, IIRC).

By the way, I bought the NT55 set, because for me the benefit was having the whole thing together, in a single case and ready to roll. I could see myself using the pad or the HPF switches, but they weren't essentials. Your benefit probably lies elsewhere - don't be afraid to draw your own conclusions because, let's face it, you know more about how you work and what you want to do than any of us. Either way, if you keep them pristine, they should have a fair resale value though less than you paid.




I guess the best option would be to have the features at my disposal rather than regret not having them in the future. I think the 55's are the best bet as there is only a 72 pound difference after pricing up the caps, shock mounts, stands and leads for the NT5's. I'm sure this will save me money in the long run if I ever decided I needed the pad and HPF features.

Thanks for the good explanation too- it really helped me to decide!


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Re: nt5 and nt55 new [Re: LeeJamieHayes]
      #1065710 - 10/09/13 03:48 PM
How often will I use omni's in stead of cardiods? Overheads with omni's? Or do you need a really nice room to justify omni's? Will there be a lot of difference tracking guitar in my homestudio with cardiod or omni's, so is it worth paying the extra?
A pair of matched NT5's (without the omnis) are often available second-hand, whereas I rarely see the NT55 on the second hand market)


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Re: nt5 and nt55 new [Re: Guitarking]
      #1065753 - 10/09/13 10:47 PM
Well, as ever there's a trade off. The omnis are generally reckoned to be very high quality transducers for the money, the trade off being you have to take more account of the environment than with the cardioid capsules.

I bought my NT5's second hand and added the omnis later. This makes for a very cost-effective way of doing things, but again it's all about trade-offs (the theme of this thread, really). We can tell you what the trade-offs are but you'll have to make up your own mind in the end how you want to play it.

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Re: nt5 and nt55 new [Re: Guitarking]
      #1065788 - 11/09/13 08:28 AM
Quote Guitarking:

How often will I use omni's in stead of cardiods?




No idea, but I use omnis more than I do cardioids.

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Re: nt5 and nt55 new [Re: John Willett]
      #1065880 - 11/09/13 05:28 PM
I agree with Mr. Willett.

I usually record classical music, so this might not apply to what you are normally recording. Still, I do record the odd Jazz combo here and there, and I tend to use omnis most of the time. The only time I certainly reach for the cardioid option first is music theatre.


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