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Toby Warren
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Am I stupid?
      #1108167 - 17/06/14 09:52 AM
I have a Mackie 400F and am thinking of using my beloved Mackie 1402vlz in front of it to bring sounds into my nice new (secondhand) imac. I could faff around trying to get this to work and possibly end up with lots of noise because of this signal path. Before I waste days on this, can anyone advise? Am I just wasting my time here? Obviously I am trying to use what I have (rather than go buy another bit of kit!). BUT.... if anyone has come up with a solution not costing the earth let me know. I am just me with guitar, keyboard and a mic really. Simple. Yeah right.

Thanks for any wisdom! Toby


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Re: Am I stupid? new [Re: Toby Warren]
      #1108170 - 17/06/14 10:06 AM
Be chill bro! What you've got is absolutely fine. In fact, you probably don't even need the VLZ — the 400F should do everything you need (provided, of course, it works happily with your iMac, in terms of driver/OS compatibility and such).

Cheers,

Chris


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Re: Am I stupid? new [Re: Toby Warren]
      #1108225 - 17/06/14 02:45 PM
If you don't need more than 4 mic inputs you'll be fine with the 400F on its own. If you need to add extra mic inputs then you could feed the insert sends from the mic channels on the 1402 into the line inputs on the 400F.

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Re: Am I stupid? new [Re: Toby Warren]
      #1108245 - 17/06/14 05:23 PM
The 400f should have no issues with the iMac
As said before, you have 4 mic pres on the 400f and room for 4 more (fed from the insert sends of the 1402) for recording.

What might also be nice is taking the 8 outs from the 400f and feeding them to the 1402 for hands on mixing desk mixing.

Sounds like a nice system to me....good honest project studio recording.....which is the best kind!


And the 400f has an additional FireWire slot......so you can expand the system with even another 400f if you needed more ins and outs.....

Happy days!

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Toby Warren
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Re: Am I stupid? new [Re: Toby Warren]
      #1108373 - 18/06/14 11:48 AM
Thanks for letting me know I'm not stupid! Yes, great idea to feed it back thru the mixer. I was recently tempted to buy a Mackie Onyx 1200i. But I believe you cant control the levels going into the computer using the faders.

My concern is just that there might be noise in the background that goes undetected. Anyway I'll give it a try and listen carefully to what I get. Just need to check the drivers for the 400F. its getting old now! Thanks again.


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Re: Am I stupid? new [Re: Toby Warren]
      #1108378 - 18/06/14 11:56 AM
Quote Toby Warren:

was recently tempted to buy a Mackie Onyx 1200i. But I believe you cant control the levels going into the computer using the faders.




That's normal — the level going into the computer is set via the gain knobs, and you can use the faders to adjust the levels of what you're hearing. This means you can set up a monitor mix to your taste while getting the optimum levels (in terms of headroom and noise) into the computer.

Cheers!

Chris


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Re: Am I stupid? new [Re: Toby Warren]
      #1108381 - 18/06/14 12:00 PM
If you have a wide selection of audio sources, the mixer could be used as a glorified patch bay, with the added benefit of level optimization. At the mixing stage, it could enable routing to external processing, but losing the mixer automation in your DAW for the sake of the "hands on" experience is a high price to pay.

Overall, it COULD be useful. But make sure it IS being useful! Since computer audio interfaces developed from being two stereo minijacks on the back of the tower, there's a LOT less equipment on my desk than there used to be. Though some of it hung around way past when it stopped being useful. (It was so expensive...:-)


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Re: Am I stupid? new [Re: Toby Warren]
      #1108420 - 18/06/14 03:46 PM
You don't need a mixer, I've had a mixerless setup for over a decade.



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Re: Am I stupid? new [Re: Exalted Wombat]
      #1108431 - 18/06/14 04:28 PM
Y'know of course this is why i'm trying to use what I have! It all cost so much. Perhaps it's not about being stupid but not being realistic. Kind of think a Motu lite might just be the way and wave goodbye to the last decades worth of my underused purchases! There is good karma to leaving the past to itself and welcoming the ever constant present, right?!


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Re: Am I stupid? new [Re: Toby Warren]
      #1108436 - 18/06/14 05:42 PM
I don't think you'll notice that much difference between the motu lite and the mackie 400f.....not £400 worth of difference anyway.......which could go toward a very nice mic, or some room acoustics etc etc

And you can either use the mixer, or not....but you have the option....you state that it's your "beloved" mackie desk.....you must gain lots of satisfaction by using the desk, and therefore I wager that your a desky type of musician....why would you deny such a simple pleasure??!!

Your workflow will decide whether you want to incorporate the mixer or not....some people love hands on mixer desk mixing, some believe they do, but actually don't, and some don't.....DAW mixer automation is fantastic......but then for some of us 'real' faders and mute buttons and a 'real' piece of equipment is more useful and 'fits' better.

The joy for you is that you can decide, without spending a penny......even if you just use the mic pres on the mackie mixer as input pres, bypassing the faders etc altogether.


As an aside....
There seems to be quite a lot of anti-mixer feeling amongst some forum members....I'm not saying that's either good nor bad, but I am quite curious as to why this would be the case?.....maybe I should post a topic in musicians lounge....

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Re: Am I stupid? new [Re: Wease]
      #1108438 - 18/06/14 05:52 PM
Quote Wease:


There seems to be quite a lot of anti-mixer feeling amongst some forum members....I'm not saying that's either good nor bad, but I am quite curious as to why this would be the case?.....maybe I should post a topic in musicians lounge....





Well, it ain't a REAL studio without wall-to-wall channel strips and faders, is it? :-)

My Mackie 1640 is still on the desk, but to be honest it's only acting as a glorified patch bay.


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Re: Am I stupid? new [Re: Wease]
      #1108441 - 18/06/14 06:50 PM
Quote Wease:

There seems to be quite a lot of anti-mixer feeling amongst some forum members....I'm not saying that's either good nor bad, but I am quite curious as to why this would be the case?.....maybe I should post a topic in musicians lounge...



No 'anti mixer', but anti-'I want to record, so I *need* a mixer'.

There still seems to be a belief that a mixer is a necessary piece of kit for recording, when it is not only unnecessary 80% of the time, but actually introduces complications, compromises and restrictions - especially for beginners. Most of the time a multi-input audio interface is a more appropriate solution.

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Re: Am I stupid? new [Re: The Elf]
      #1108447 - 18/06/14 07:58 PM
The nice thing is you don't have to use a mixer. Some people choose to use a mixer (usually a particular mixer) because they like what it does to the sound. Some people won't use a mixer when recording but will feed the material through a mixer during mastering.

If you are recording yourself, keeping it simple has the advantage that you can't both play and monitor the recording process at the same time, so simple is better.


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Re: Am I stupid? new [Re: Toby Warren]
      #1108728 - 20/06/14 03:33 PM
Has anyone used a small Mackie VLZ in a digital environment? Anything I should avoid doing?

I just love having a small rack in front of me with the lights flickering on my Waldorf, TC effects box et al. It also establishes a place of work, an invisible line says to my kids- Don't Touch! Leave him alone. Weird muso Dad's stuff!


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Re: Am I stupid? new [Re: Toby Warren]
      #1108735 - 20/06/14 03:54 PM
Well, one particularly good reason to use a mixer is so that you can hear stuff without having to turn your computer on. Being able to fire up a synth, or noodle away on a guitar through a Pod or somesuch, without waiting for the box to boot up is a fine thing. A fine thing indeed.

Cheers!

Chris


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Re: Am I stupid? new [Re: Toby Warren]
      #1109145 - 23/06/14 04:13 PM
Quote Toby Warren:

Has anyone used a small Mackie VLZ in a digital environment? Anything I should avoid doing?

I just love having a small rack in front of me with the lights flickering on my Waldorf, TC effects box et al. It also establishes a place of work, an invisible line says to my kids- Don't Touch! Leave him alone. Weird muso Dad's stuff!




I'm not anti mixer, if it's a nice warm analog console, I have a basic one man production setup.

A short signal chain is a clean signal chain.
When I record my guitar and Bass, I plug directly into my Apollo and track with UAD plugins.

I get the desired sound on the way in, job done.

To me the VLZ won't add any character to your sound.

Running a signal through most devices will change the signal.




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Edited by G-Doubleyou (23/06/14 04:17 PM)


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