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lovesexy



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Do I need a bar code for each track of an album?
      #1060744 - 05/08/13 03:29 PM
Hi all

Just wondering if I need barcodes for individual songs from an album. The album will be released on CD and digital. Give the fact that these days people are able to download single tracks, do I need one bar code for the album and codes for each song?


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Re: Do I need a bar code for each track of an album? new [Re: lovesexy]
      #1060762 - 05/08/13 05:20 PM
Hi there, no, typically you have one for a collective release.


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Re: Do I need a bar code for each track of an album? new [Re: lovesexy]
      #1060871 - 06/08/13 01:29 PM
The barcode tends to be used for the physical album in my experience. Individual tracks need ISRC's and there may be advantages to registering your own rather than obtaining them from your aggregator.

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Re: Do I need a bar code for each track of an album? new [Re: lovesexy]
      #1061606 - 12/08/13 07:04 AM
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Re: Do I need a bar code for each track of an album? new [Re: joswee]
      #1062098 - 15/08/13 04:18 AM
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Re: Do I need a bar code for each track of an album? new [Re: lovesexy]
      #1065515 - 08/09/13 05:44 PM
The individual songs on an album are typically identified with ISRC and ISWC numbers. The ISRC (International Standard Recording Code) is used to track sales of a specific sound recording. One song can have multiple versions and therefore multiple ISRCs. The ISWC (International Standard Musical Work Code) is used to track a specific song on a number of different sound recordings. ISWC numbers identify the individual musical works.


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Re: Do I need a bar code for each track of an album? new [Re: James Perrett]
      #1065521 - 08/09/13 05:58 PM
Quote James Perrett:

The barcode tends to be used for the physical album in my experience. Individual tracks need ISRC's and there may be advantages to registering your own rather than obtaining them from your aggregator.

James.




What are these advantages, and how do you register them yourself, rather than relying on the aggregator ?


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Re: Do I need a bar code for each track of an album? new [Re: lovesexy]
      #1065595 - 09/09/13 11:01 AM
PPL create ISRCs

http://www.ppluk.com/I-Make-Music/Why-Should-I-Become-A-Member/What-is-an- ISRC/

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Re: Do I need a bar code for each track of an album? new [Re: Richie Royale]
      #1065610 - 09/09/13 01:12 PM
Quote Richie Royale:

PPL create ISRCs

http://www.ppluk.com/I-Make-Music/Why-Should-I-Become-A-Memb...




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PPL don't create ISRCs, PPL allocate a 3-character-registrant-code to you, so you can create your own ISRCs (using that code)
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Re: Do I need a bar code for each track of an album? new [Re: Gone To Lunch]
      #1065614 - 09/09/13 01:18 PM
Quote Gone To Lunch:

Quote James Perrett:

The barcode tends to be used for the physical album in my experience. Individual tracks need ISRC's and there may be advantages to registering your own rather than obtaining them from your aggregator.

James.




What are these advantages, and how do you register them yourself, rather than relying on the aggregator ?




James is getting a little confused, I think
You don't actually "register" your ISRCs with anyone. Your national ISRC-administering-body (PPL for the UK) allocates you a 3-character-registrant-code.

Once you have this, you create your own ISRCs with it, and you don't have to "register" them anywhere, you can just write them on a grubby white board or the back of an envelope, or in a spreadsheet on your computer...... they're your codes and you issue them to your tracks. No-one else can issue codes with your 3-character-registrant-code in them, so they're unique to you.

What you will also want to do, however, is register your recordings with your national collection society for recording rights and performers. (In the UK, this is again PPL).
This will generally involve registering details of your recordings (including the ISRC you've assigned) on the collection society's database.
The advantage to doing this yourself is that you may do it better, more quickly and accurately than any 3rd party would (and not be charged an admin fee for the pleasure).
Registering your recordings with the collection society is the first step to them actually ever paying you any royalties.

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Re: Do I need a bar code for each track of an album? new [Re: feline1]
      #1065641 - 09/09/13 06:06 PM
I don't know quite what he meant, Feline, but I'm pretty sure the aggregator I use offers us the choice of having them generate ISRC's using their 3 digit code, or for us to generate them using ours. We have our own code so send them our own numbers when we release - and we have them embedded at mastering stage. You could refer to these processes as 'registering'...

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Re: Do I need a bar code for each track of an album? new [Re: feline1]
      #1065697 - 10/09/13 11:24 AM
I'm afraid I didn't have the time to explain the process fully - so thanks for taking the trouble to do that Feline.

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Re: Do I need a bar code for each track of an album? new [Re: molecular]
      #1065947 - 12/09/13 09:32 AM
Quote molecular:

I don't know quite what he meant, Feline, but I'm pretty sure the aggregator I use offers us the choice of having them generate ISRC's using their 3 digit code, or for us to generate them using ours. We have our own code so send them our own numbers when we release - and we have them embedded at mastering stage. You could refer to these processes as 'registering'...




Sure - but they're really just "using" your ISRC codes, not "registering" them.

(The semantic distinction being that "registering" implies that your ISRC will not be "official" or "recognised" until it has been through some sort of process or accepted by some kind of official standards body - but that's not the case. They're your codes, you issue them, and that's that. Your aggregator, all the online retailers, all the collection societies etc - they just use the code you told them to use. It's similar to your track titles: they're your titles, you make them up - if you say your track is called "ATTACK OF THE MUTANT LLAMAS" then it is, end of story. The difference is that another label or artist could also create a different track called "ATTACK OF THE MUTANT LLAMAS", but they couldn't dream up an ISRC code the same as yours, cos they don't have your 3-letter-registrant-code. That's unique to you.)
(lol sorry am in MAXIMUM PEDANTRY mode today)


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Re: Do I need a bar code for each track of an album? new [Re: feline1]
      #1066119 - 13/09/13 10:25 AM
Quote feline1:

Quote molecular:

I don't know quite what he meant, Feline, but I'm pretty sure the aggregator I use offers us the choice of having them generate ISRC's using their 3 digit code, or for us to generate them using ours. We have our own code so send them our own numbers when we release - and we have them embedded at mastering stage. You could refer to these processes as 'registering'...




Sure - but they're really just "using" your ISRC codes, not "registering" them.

(The semantic distinction being that "registering" implies that your ISRC will not be "official" or "recognised" until it has been through some sort of process or accepted by some kind of official standards body - but that's not the case. They're your codes, you issue them, and that's that. Your aggregator, all the online retailers, all the collection societies etc - they just use the code you told them to use. It's similar to your track titles: they're your titles, you make them up - if you say your track is called "ATTACK OF THE MUTANT LLAMAS" then it is, end of story. The difference is that another label or artist could also create a different track called "ATTACK OF THE MUTANT LLAMAS", but they couldn't dream up an ISRC code the same as yours, cos they don't have your 3-letter-registrant-code. That's unique to you.)
(lol sorry am in MAXIMUM PEDANTRY mode today)





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