Bit like hearing about a movie coming out, seeing the trailers and then when it does come out... its well you know - But you have the feeling that there is going to be something more in the pipeline, 4G and a HD screen, having said that the 4G side of things will have Samsung up in arms

Any way I'm sure there will be tons of news, reviews and whatever when it comes out on the 21 of September

Full Story on BBC

Apple iPhone 5 unveiled with taller screen and 4G

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I'm a big fan of Apple and own stacks and stack of their products. Personally I've never been as disappointed by a launch as I am now.
Trying to replace the standard headphone jack with some proprietary apple-only headphones was a big mistake that didn't work for them on the nano a few years back. Also the new Dock connector is nothing but a cynical money grab. If I was a developer in any number of fields making 3rd party devices that interact with the iPhone or iPad I'd feel like giving up this morning. Just when all cars, and audio devices agree on an industry standard that we can all use, Apple change it all for no reason what so ever.
No interest in any of the new products announced yesterday, and make me think it's just another step towards Apple teaching us to be obedient and get rid of perfectly good devices simply because they say so.
Honesty, how often have you looked at your iPhone and said 'This screen JUST ISN"T TALL ENOUGH?'

I think people expect too much from technology these days. The ability to make leaps between generations seems to have passed and any changes on new products seems to be small increments.

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Never mind the phone, where is the new Imac ?

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yeah, not so impressed with the (lack of) new features.

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I agree it all seems a bit underwhelming.

Changing the multi-connector seems cynical (25 quid for a lovely, convenient, doesn't get in the way, always to hand when you need it adaptor? Yeah...), and finally lets me say 'I told you so' to all those who have iPhone-specific connections around their homes and cars - I distrust proprietary formats.

The change in screen size seems an admission that it should have been 16:9 from the start.

Some reporters are suggesting that lack of Near-Field is going to hobble it too - dunno.

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are you saying they've changed the standard headphone jack on the new iphone5?

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If so, s/he's misinterpreted the BBC story. There's a standard 3.5mm stereo headphone jack socket on the iPhone5 according to Apple: http://www.apple.com/iphone/specs.html

I guess it was this quote from the BBC article (referenced above) that was confusing "The handset also uses a new, smaller, socket for its charger. This means owners will need to use an adapter to plug the device into existing speakers and other equipment."

Nice of Apple to use the word 'lightning' to describe the new connection on the iPhone. Seems like their nomenclature department is getting a bit weather focussed at the moment. I look forward to the 'tornado' hi-res monitors on the new iMac models when they arrive.

Underwhelmed here. Still, I suppose it's saved me £500+ on an upgrade.

I think changing the connector is wrong, but the also changed from the 3G to the 4 for some accessories. That was worse in a way as they still appeared to be identical.

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It is only the position of hp jack that was changed. Great, I hated the current position every single time putting in and taking out from my pocket.

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Well, to balance out the cynics above

They changed the connector because it was inhibiting the form factor of the device, and they felt the benefits of making the device thinner and lighter were a worthwhile tradeoff. In addition, the old connector is unnecessarily large, unwieldy, tricky to connect to and easy to force in the wrong way and damage something, which Apple probably have service stats for.

The new connector is essentially smaller, easier to connect, reversible so it doesn't need to use to figure out which way to put it in, less prone to damage, and enables the device to be smaller.

You don't change things "for no reason", and Apple's designers kinda of know what they are doing, even if Apple are, more so than pretty much all companies, prone to obsolete, move forward and abandon old stuff much more readily than other companies. Much of the time, and perhaps I'm not cynical enough as you folks, I think the designers identify a need, and think "How can we do this better?" "What are the opportunities?" "What does redesigning this give us?" and go from there.

All valid design approaches for new products, technologies and formats - though of course, not the only considerations.

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They know exactly what they're doing. A new connector means a whole new surge of income for new adaptors, cables, chargers and accessories. All they then had to do was to improve it enough to convince us it was necessary - job done!

It's a strange thing. My old Sony phone managed to do everything the iPhone does (and more - it didn't restrict content) with a standard *tiny* USB connector...

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OK, so the big news was that Apple changed the connector and are playing catching up with the rest of the smartphone industry. Nothing revolutionary this time.

Bigger screen, 4" is more or less standard on all other brands, for half the money of what a iPhone5 costs. If Samsung can make a phone for half the price and they still don't make any money from selling apps, why couldn't Apple? Seems like another example of the Apple tax.

I have several Apple devices at home (Macbook, iMac, iPad, Macmini) but the recent iPhones do not provide me with anything the other (andriod-based) phones can't provide me with, for way lower price. The only reason to get an Apple phone is to have access to all the apps, but with the ipad I have that covered already.

I am also growing increasingly irritated with Apple reliance on the iTunes for everything. I want to upload/download videos, songs or pictures to/from my phone/iPad/computer using just a standard USB cable and not have to install and start iTunes and do a syncronisation. It's just plain stupid and limits the ease of flow of information between the devices.





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They changed the connector because it was inhibiting the form factor of the device,

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Does it now have a straightforward USB connection?
Can I transfer my media without being controlled by iTunes?

I'm personally more interested in seeing the developments with iOS 6 and whether they've implemented multichannel audio output. An ipad would be a great alternative to CDJs for DJs.

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I want to upload/download videos, songs or pictures to/from my phone/iPad/computer using just a standard USB cable and not have to install and start iTunes and do a syncronisation.

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FWIW the OSX "Image Capture" utility lets you quickly download photos without iTunes.

I always find the broo-ha-ha surrounding apple product launches mystifying - particularly the anti-reactions.

Apple have always been good at that final polish. For some people - I count myself in that number, particularly as my iPhone becomes my wife's phone and probably my daughter's phone eventually and I want an easy life when I have to support them - that last five percent of refinement is well worth it.

There are also some odd people out there with not much in the way of lives. Its a free world. Get over it.

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i usually find the people complaining are the same ones with old iPhones.

Personally, I've never wanted one... until now. Looks beautiful.

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Am I missing something? I thought this was a music technology forum, not a mobile phone forum.

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Yes you are.

Smartphones can be DAW controllers, performing devices, synthesisers, recorders and have the potential to open up new areas for collaboration and musical innovation. They are touch screen portable computers after all.

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Yes you are.

Smartphones can be DAW controllers, performing devices, synthesisers, recorders and have the potential to open up new areas for collaboration and musical innovation. They are touch screen portable computers after all.

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iPhone can be DAW controllers, performing devices, synthesisers, recorders and have the potential to open up new areas for collaboration and musical innovation.
There is hardly anything you can do with Android OS as far as music is concerned. Most of people I know bought iPhone mainly for the reason of useful apps which don not exist and probably will never be developed due to hardware & OS limitations.

I wish the Cubase app worked better! It is terrible at locking to the time. I think I should go to TouchOsc for my remote stuff.

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I think people expect too much from technology these days.....

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That's because some get sucked in by the hype that promises so much, faster, better, sexier etc etc etc - never cheaper though! When after all, all it is is a little box you can send messages on and look at pics

There was a time when computers and phones did make huge leaps from generation to generation, but that time seems to have passed.

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think we need to take a little step back and put things into perspective.

smart phones (and iPhone in particular) have rendered many devices obsolete:

- Satnav

- Video recorder

- Camera

- Music player (including the iPod, whose sales are way down since iPhone)

- and one could argue phone calls (Facetime, or VOIP)

Not a fanboy in the least. But got the email from Apple to pre-order this mornign and usually bin those emails but this time checked it out...

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I'm not sure I agree.

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Phone screens are too small for satnav, IMO. And what happens when the phone rings while you're driving?!

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I've seen nothing in a phone yet that replaces my HD video camera, or adequately replaces a dedicated stills camera. Just hunting for the shutter button on a phone can be a pain.

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Phone storage is far too limited IMO. My Archos 500GB holds *all* of my audio and photos, and a great deal of video content.

Phones have come a long way, and they certainly do a reasonable 'rough and ready' job of most of the tasks you mention, but I think we're yet a long way from dedicated devices being 'rendered obsolete'.

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Phone screens are too small for satnav, IMO. And what happens when the phone rings while you're driving?!

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I don't know. What do you do now when your phone rings? My Android HTC serves me well as a navigator. Possibly better than my Satnav ever did.

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iPhone video and pictures are amazing. Couple that with on-board vid editing / photo processing and the ability to share that content or back it up on location poo poos this argument.

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Phone storage is far too limited IMO. My Archos 500GB holds *all* of my audio and photos, and a great deal of video content.

Phones have come a long way, and they certainly do a reasonable 'rough and ready' job of most of the tasks you mention, but I think we're yet a long way from dedicated devices being 'rendered obsolete'.

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Ah! But you aren't taking into account 4G network speeds. With cloud storage now available, there will be no need for you to carry files around.

In any case, it's not just 'my' argument. One need only look at market forces to realise that this is in fact a reality.

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Just hunting for the shutter button on a phone can be a pain.

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There are only 2 buttons - if it is pain for you to memorise which of the 2 is the shutter you should better stick to paper and pencil and dont even think to try SLR or any video cameras- those buggers have way more things to "hunt" - find, turn, press or twist then the iPhones 2 buttons.

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It's and expensive phone, or a not so expensive small computer that you can make phone calls with.

Either way, the user experience of the iPhone outstrips the competition for me. It does exactly what I need it to do in the simplest way possible.

However, my brother the software designer thinks the UI is outdated and over simplistic, and doesn't like the fact that he can't mod it without paying apple money for the SDKs.

If I had £530(!!!) quid to spend on a phone, I'd buy it. But as it stands, I'll probably get a 4s in the next couple of months.

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iPhone video and pictures are amazing. Couple that with on-board vid editing / photo processing and the ability to share that content or back it up on location poo poos this argument.

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Not they haven't... not yet anyway. All they've managed to do so far is trade in high quality standards in exchange for a hefty dollop of convenience and ubiquity.

This is particuarly true in the cases of camera, video recorder and audio player -- all of which are impressive given the fact that they come for free in something that's supposed to be a phone (often not a very good phone, actually, but we'll skip over that... ), but not very good when compared to dedicated quality devices.

For that reason there is very much still a valid and vital role for decent cameras, video recorders and auido systems, as least for the quality-conscious. They are far from obsolete.

For Joe Average who would previously have used and been quite happy with a cheapo camera, camcorder and 'hifi', he/she could do away with them and not notice much difference... but I'm not very interested in products only designed to satisfy the lowest common denominator!

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There are only 2 buttons - if it is pain for you to memorise which of the 2 is the shutter you should better stick to paper and pencil and dont even think to try SLR or any video cameras- those buggers have way more things to "hunt" - find, turn, press or twist then the iPhones 2 buttons.

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I'm not speaking for the iPhone, or for myself! My mother, for instance, can't figure out how to take a photo with her phone, but she copes with her simple digital camera. Not everyone is of the techno generation you know!

My point here is that dedicated devices are not 'obsolete' - phones are low-quality, low-end versions. For many of us plebs taking video, or playing music on a phone is ok as far as it goes - it is 'good enough' - but for anyone serious about the genre I don't see dedicated cameras disappearing any time soon.

When Speilberg films his next blockbuster on an iPhone, or the next semi-naked royal peep-shots are taken from 2 miles away with a Samsung phone I might be convinced!

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OK - 2 things:

1) obsolete was perhaps too strong... but the day will come.

2) by cameras, I meant snap cams, obviously not SLRs an pro cameras with larger lenses. that, it will never achieve.

All my other points were valid and i notice no-one has challenged them so I can only assume we're in agreement.

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OK - 2 things:

1) obsolete was perhaps too strong... but the day will come.

2) by cameras, I meant snap cams, obviously not SLRs an pro cameras with larger lenses. that, it will never achieve.

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That pretty much sums it up!

BTW: In answer to your earlier question... when my phone rings I answer using hands-free. My satnav keeps on sat-navving. I think a device can do too many things.

As to the cloud doing away with the need for storage space. Nice idea - it appeals to me - but most of the time I can't even get a decent phone signal, let alone reliable 4G on the motorway! I hope in the long run you are correct though.

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I'm not speaking for the iPhone, or for myself! My mother, for instance, can't figure out how to take a photo with her phone, but she copes with her simple digital camera. Not everyone is of the techno generation you know!

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She'll eventually need to figure it out, because sales of point-and-shoot cameras are going through the floor now everyone carries a camera with them permanently anyway (their phone).

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My point here is that dedicated devices are not 'obsolete' - phones are low-quality, low-end versions. For many of us plebs taking video, or playing music on a phone is ok as far as it goes - it is 'good enough' - but for anyone serious about the genre I don't see dedicated cameras disappearing any time soon.

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They are of course not going to replace high-end dedicated devices. They *are* largely going to replace low end consumer devices, because they do the photo bit just as well, and offer a whole bunch of connected-to-the-net opportunities making it easier than ever to share photos.

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When Speilberg films his next blockbuster on an iPhone, or the next semi-naked royal peep-shots are taken from 2 miles away with a Samsung phone I might be convinced!

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That's not the point - they won't replace high-end gear.

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That pretty much sums it up!

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BTW: In answer to your earlier question... when my phone rings I answer using hands-free. My satnav keeps on sat-navving. I think a device can do too many things.

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Ah yes, but i hope for you and your passenger(s) sake that you aren't using both devices at once! So, two devices but one can only be used at a time renders the need for 2 separate devices redundant.

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'obsolete' was too strong

SLRs and pro cameras with larger lenses will not be made obsolete.

That better?

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Ah yes, but i hope for you and your passenger(s) sake that you aren't using both devices at once!

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Of course I am! Using the phone doesn't stop me hearing 'take the next left'!

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