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16 / 24 track tape machine emulation only. Does this exist?
      #1109101 - 23/06/14 11:27 AM
Hi Guys,

I will be in the minority maybe but I use my mac for music as least as possible. I prefer the hardware.

As such I am looking for a simple no frills 16 track recorder. I do not need MIDI sequencing or VSTs or anything like that. Yes I know you can just get Logic with its 1 billion trillion features and just ignore all but the recorder but I want something as simple as possible.

Upo until now I have used and loved an Alesis HD24. But I have had to sell it to pay for other things. Is there anything similar to this? It must be able to record all 16 tracks simultaneously.

Cheers


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Re: 16 / 24 track tape machine emulation only. Does this exist? new [Re: M-Loch!]
      #1109105 - 23/06/14 11:42 AM
Harrison Mixbus maybe ?


it's a bit more complex than that, but can be configured pretty much to do what you want…. and is a lot simpler than Logic .

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Re: 16 / 24 track tape machine emulation only. Does this exist? new [Re: M-Loch!]
      #1109135 - 23/06/14 03:06 PM
I would have thought that most modern DAW's could work in this way if you can be disciplined enough to not open up the tracks and watch all the detail on the display. Mixbus has a very good reputation though.

One thing that I would suggest is that you get hold of some kind of controller with real buttons so that you aren't having to use the mouse and keyboard all the time. I find that my old Frontier Tranzport works well for something so simple (although you have to remember to set markers at important places) but sadly it is no longer available.

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Re: 16 / 24 track tape machine emulation only. Does this exist? new [Re: M-Loch!]
      #1109172 - 23/06/14 06:15 PM
I used to record on an Akai dps16, an all in one digital recorder. I made the leap to Garageband which is incredibly simple to use and free on every mac. It's very much a cut down version of Logic and in my humble etc is a great bridge between hardware and software. Subsequently my move to Logic Express, then Pro was virtually painless.

My personal view of Mixbus is don't touch it with a bargepole for several strong reasons (there's a recent thread about my experiences with it here) but, as they say, ymmv.

The other, and highly recommended low-cost option is Reaper which is fantastic. Versions for pc and mac. Reaper website

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Re: 16 / 24 track tape machine emulation only. Does this exist? new [Re: M-Loch!]
      #1109178 - 23/06/14 07:07 PM
Hello,

Thanks for the replies. I appreciate the suggestions but I feel what I want doesn't exist. I simply want a 16 track recorder and nothing more.

Its easy to say resist the temptation and use any DAW but it never ever works like that. Maybe I'm week willed.

I want nothing more than a software version of the HD24.


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Re: 16 / 24 track tape machine emulation only. Does this exist? new [Re: M-Loch!]
      #1109179 - 23/06/14 07:11 PM
Quote M-Loch!:

Hello,

Thanks for the replies. I appreciate the suggestions but I feel what I want doesn't exist. I simply want a 16 track recorder and nothing more.

Its easy to say resist the temptation and use any DAW but it never ever works like that. Maybe I'm week willed.

I want nothing more than a software version of the HD24.



You aren't going to get it, and neither should you. If the computer is part of your setup then you should utilise it in the best way possible. You can set up a template which is ready to record on 16 channels on virtually all DAWs. Just watch a youtube tutorial and spend a few hours with it. Its worth it.


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Re: 16 / 24 track tape machine emulation only. Does this exist? new [Re: johnny h]
      #1109184 - 23/06/14 08:17 PM
Quote johnny h:


You aren't going to get it, and neither should you.




What is that supposed to mean? He can use whatever he wants.

In fact, M-Loch! has exposed a gap in the market: A Radar-style software package.


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Re: 16 / 24 track tape machine emulation only. Does this exist? new [Re: Tui]
      #1109185 - 23/06/14 08:27 PM
Hi Tui, so glad you arrived

I have to say that i looked around for ages for something like this on the PC, with no luck. So, defo a gap in the market.


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Re: 16 / 24 track tape machine emulation only. Does this exist? new [Re: M-Loch!]
      #1109187 - 23/06/14 08:55 PM
There are a number of standalone hardware units, including JoeCo, Allen and Heath Ice, or maybe second hand Alesis HD24...... But you've just sold yours!

The closest I've seen would be the software that ships with the Presonus Studiolive desks, but I'm pretty sure it won't ship as a standalone.

The fact you're looking to record and playback 16 channels implies you have an interface with 16 inputs and 16 outputs - if so what is it?

If you don't, then you're committed to mixing in the box anyway and everything that entails.... Do tell?

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Re: 16 / 24 track tape machine emulation only. Does this exist? new [Re: M-Loch!]
      #1109233 - 24/06/14 09:48 AM
RME have a simple multitrack recorder as part of the software that comes with their cards.

Otherwise, you could see if someone has created a Reaper theme to make it look like a basic recorder - yes, all the extra functionality would still be there but hopefully hidden enough for you to resist temptation.

I still think that a decent controller is going to help more than software though.

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Re: 16 / 24 track tape machine emulation only. Does this exist? new [Re: M-Loch!]
      #1109238 - 24/06/14 10:38 AM
How about Audacity?


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Re: 16 / 24 track tape machine emulation only. Does this exist? new [Re: dwebb]
      #1109245 - 24/06/14 11:22 AM
I would still use Logic for this - it's by far the simplest configurable DAW out there, with the benefit you can tailor the simplicity for the needs. Once you've set up your default project template, which takes maybe five minutes, you can just work like this:



That's just 16 tracks, basic transport controls and the typical features. If you want you can add in record and input monitoring, lose the click and the punch in buttons, change the ruler display to time - it's really flexible.

All the other DAWs I've used are fiddly and over complex to use imo, and way too graphically busy. I love that Logic can disappear for me and I can just focus on music - but that advanced tools are there should I need them.

And with something like a Mackie Control as your hardware, then operating it becomes essentially the same as a stand alone hard disk recorder. You can simplify the display even further (eg losing the transport bar) and even turn the monitor off!

(I actually really like doing some tracking and basic mixing with the monitor off. It's amazing the difference it makes in being able to concentrate on what you are hearing...)


Edited by desmond (24/06/14 11:53 AM)


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Re: 16 / 24 track tape machine emulation only. Does this exist? new [Re: M-Loch!]
      #1109250 - 24/06/14 12:04 PM
Quote M-Loch!:

Hi Guys,

I will be in the minority maybe but I use my mac for music as least as possible. I prefer the hardware.

Upo until now I have used and loved an Alesis HD24. But I have had to sell it to pay for other things. Is there anything similar to this? It must be able to record all 16 tracks simultaneously.






If you won't be happy with anything that isn't EXACTLY like your HD24, admit the bad decision and buy it back.
Didn't you work out your route forward BEFORE dumping your old gear? D'oh!


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Re: 16 / 24 track tape machine emulation only. Does this exist? new [Re: desmond]
      #1109283 - 24/06/14 05:20 PM
Desmond is exactly right.


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Re: 16 / 24 track tape machine emulation only. Does this exist? new [Re: M-Loch!]
      #1109372 - 25/06/14 07:17 AM
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(I actually really like doing some tracking and basic mixing with the monitor off. It's amazing the difference it makes in being able to concentrate on what you are hearing...)




Yep. I don't do this so much now but used to do it all the time when I first left the world of tape. I just couldn't concentrate on the sounds with the new distractions of dancing coloured meters and so on.

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Re: 16 / 24 track tape machine emulation only. Does this exist? new [Re: Huge Longjohns]
      #1109397 - 25/06/14 08:56 AM
Quote Huge Longjohns:

Quote:

(I actually really like doing some tracking and basic mixing with the monitor off. It's amazing the difference it makes in being able to concentrate on what you are hearing...)




Yep. I don't do this so much now but used to do it all the time when I first left the world of tape. I just couldn't concentrate on the sounds with the new distractions of dancing coloured meters and so on.




When it was an Atari and a crt monitor, I HAD to run mixdown to an external recorder with the monitor off because of the buzz!

Now, if I find the display distracting (oh, get over yourself, girl!) I just close my eyes. Or don't look at the screen.


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Re: 16 / 24 track tape machine emulation only. Does this exist? new [Re: M-Loch!]
      #1109439 - 25/06/14 11:41 AM
I think you need something like the Yamaha AW2400, you can upgrade it with Yamaha mini-cards for more inserts and I/O. I also dislike what the market makes you buy, because while you use more the computer for recording you will have to spend more money and results will not come up until you really purchase $2000 pre amps, real converters, etc etc . By using a computer, you will need to buy external memory $, memory ram, an interface $, plug-ins, we are talking about $4000 for something decent and its so horribly distracting. Its better not seeing nothing visual when creating music otherwise you will pay attention to visual details that you will not need to care about when recording. I think is better the computer for micro editing only than for tracking. This Yamaha AW2400 is the best recorder you can get now because it came out when DAWs were getting popular. Cool thing about this recorder; you will have 100mm automated faders, 8 inputs and 2 inserts, Omni outs, 40gb ram upgradable to 400G if you wish but you can transfer files to the computer if you need more space, but to give you an idea i have some recordings here ...

There is EQ and compression but this track doesn't have bass. The project was guitar and drums only.


https://soundcloud.com/thefakeempire/two-native-humans-recording-3


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Re: 16 / 24 track tape machine emulation only. Does this exist? new [Re: M-Loch!]
      #1109482 - 25/06/14 04:06 PM
Quote M-Loch!:

Hello,

Thanks for the replies. I appreciate the suggestions but I feel what I want doesn't exist. I simply want a 16 track recorder and nothing more.

Its easy to say resist the temptation and use any DAW but it never ever works like that. Maybe I'm week willed.

I want nothing more than a software version of the HD24.




With respect what you want does exists...it's a HD24!

If you're wishing to be able to simultaneously record 24 analogue signals (like you can with the HD24), it's not only a software solution you require, but a hardware one too.
That's quite a specialist product you're after and requires an audio interface too (or in your case probably a digital desk), not just a Mac.
That's why products like the HD24 exist to begin with, to fill that niche gap.
It's also why there are no 'off the shelf' solutions to meet your needs.
So unless you already own a really good digital audio interface/digital desk, that's going to be your major obstacle.
If you have to take the cost of a new audio interface/digital desk into consideration, then you'll probably find that not only is the HD24 the best solution for you, but probably the cheapest too!

There's currently one for sale on eBay at under £500

here.

Not sure there is anything that does what you need at a better price point to be honest.

Good luck


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Re: 16 / 24 track tape machine emulation only. Does this exist? new [Re: Blott]
      #1109484 - 25/06/14 04:29 PM
Quote Blott:

Not sure there is anything that does what you need at a better price point to be honest.




The Fostex D2424LV. Basically I'm agreeing with your analysis but the Fostex is a little cheaper while doing much the same.

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Re: 16 / 24 track tape machine emulation only. Does this exist? new [Re: ConcertinaChap]
      #1109487 - 25/06/14 04:47 PM
Allen & Heath ICE16? No frills recorder you can use with your Mac if you want to.

a&h

Or a Blackbox recorder from Joe and Co as reviewed in SOS

BBR

<a href="/sos/jan10/articles/blackboxrecorder.htm" target="_blank">SoS review</a>

You can control this remotely via an iPad

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Re: 16 / 24 track tape machine emulation only. Does this exist? new [Re: M-Loch!]
      #1109495 - 25/06/14 05:14 PM
This thread is stupid.


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Re: 16 / 24 track tape machine emulation only. Does this exist? new [Re: M-Loch!]
      #1109538 - 25/06/14 10:29 PM
Quote M-Loch!:

As such I am looking for a simple no frills 16 track recorder.




http://www.gallery.co.uk/metacorder/intro.html


Mac only and designed for location film/TV sound capture, but I think it will suit your needs perfectly.

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Re: 16 / 24 track tape machine emulation only. Does this exist? new [Re: M-Loch!]
      #1109566 - 26/06/14 07:31 AM
Quote:


http://www.gallery.co.uk/metacorder/intro.html


Mac only and designed for location film/TV sound capture, but I think it will suit your needs perfectly.




You've got to be joking Hugh. It might suit the OP's needs, but..... £1195 + VAT. At least Audacity is free.


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Re: 16 / 24 track tape machine emulation only. Does this exist? new [Re: fay spook]
      #1109568 - 26/06/14 07:49 AM
Quote fay spook:

Allen & Heath ICE16? No frills recorder you can use with your Mac if you want to.

a&h

Or a Blackbox recorder from Joe and Co as reviewed in SOS

BBR

<a href="/sos/jan10/articles/blackboxrecorder.htm" target="_blank">SoS review</a>

You can control this remotely via an iPad




These or this little box - Cymatic 16 track recorder

Product web page

Cheap (c.a. £240 with postage) dead easy to use and you can combine two for 32-track recording.


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Re: 16 / 24 track tape machine emulation only. Does this exist? new [Re: M-Loch!]
      #1109587 - 26/06/14 10:59 AM
Quote:

You've got to be joking Hugh. It might suit the OP's needs, but..... £1195 + VAT.




And he's still got to buy the Mac and 16 outs interface on top. Bargain!

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Re: 16 / 24 track tape machine emulation only. Does this exist? new [Re: M-Loch!]
      #1109678 - 26/06/14 10:45 PM
There is (or was) a product called "Boom Recorder" that does exactly this that used to be popular in film recording. I don't know what it's current state is - but I believe it may have been discontinued. It was also fairly expensive in the multitrack configuration.

Here's a link to the product's home page.

http://www.vosgames.nl/products/BoomRecorder/

I always thought this was a great idea, myself...

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Re: 16 / 24 track tape machine emulation only. Does this exist? new [Re: FrankRaz]
      #1109713 - 27/06/14 09:58 AM
Quote FrankRaz:

You've got to be joking Hugh. It might suit the OP's needs, but..... £1195 + VAT. At least Audacity is free.




Shocked indeed! Sorry -- the last time I looked at that software it was considerably less expensive. I know of several location sound recordists who have used it from day one and rate it highly. I hadn't realised it had become so expensive.

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Re: 16 / 24 track tape machine emulation only. Does this exist? new [Re: M-Loch!]
      #1109803 - 27/06/14 07:32 PM
Why dont you try a very simple daw like Sony's ACID Music Studio ($60us).
It's very tape-like.

There used to be a free 8-track version you could try....


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Re: 16 / 24 track tape machine emulation only. Does this exist? new [Re: tim_obrien]
      #1109810 - 27/06/14 08:40 PM
Quote tim_obrien:

Why dont you try a very simple daw like Sony's ACID Music Studio ($60us).
It's very tape-like.




It doesn't look to me to be a "simpler" solution than my Logic suggestion above, unless you can configure it to turn off all that busy screen garbage...



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Re: 16 / 24 track tape machine emulation only. Does this exist? new [Re: M-Loch!]
      #1109816 - 27/06/14 09:33 PM
M-Loch!'s gone quiet...................

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Re: 16 / 24 track tape machine emulation only. Does this exist? new [Re: mpvano]
      #1110006 - 29/06/14 09:08 PM
Quote mpvano:

There is (or was) a product called "Boom Recorder" that does exactly this that used to be popular in film recording. I don't know what it's current state is - but I believe it may have been discontinued. It was also fairly expensive in the multitrack configuration.

Here's a link to the product's home page.

http://www.vosgames.nl/products/BoomRecorder/

I always thought this was a great idea, myself...

M




Boom Recorder is alive and well. A unique product, and the full version is available for a demo. I don't think the product is expensive for what it is. Admittedly, it may not be obvious at first glance "what it is."

Worth checking out the developer's work history/bio.


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