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paul007



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Set up Question
      #784965 - 05/11/09 01:45 PM

Hi,

I recently purchased the Mac Book Pro 13" Laptop. I am now looking to purchase Logic Pro and Reason 4.0 for it.

Having recently been listening to the Home Recording Podcasts, one tip they had for MAC users was to keep the OS separate to audio when recording, i.e. get a Firewire Hard drive and record to that. Whilst I understand this I wanted to clarify, as I use a lot of samples for the Instruments I don't play (Drums, Strings etc etc) What is the best configuration for me to have. I have a 250GB Hard Drive on the Laptop, but should I be getting a Firewire Hard Drive as well? Also where should I be installing everything?

To add to this question I currently use a USB UA-25 Edirol Audio Device, however will eventually look to upgrade and am looking at the typical Focusrite and Presonus devices which tend to be 8 channel inputs that connect via Firewire. If I have the Firewire device and hard drive but only one Firewire Port what would be my best configuration?

I hope this makes sense.

Thanks Paul.


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Re: Set up Question new [Re: paul007]
      #784997 - 05/11/09 03:14 PM

If your main music production app of choice is Reason, then you really needn't worry about getting another drive. Your internal drive will be more than adequate.
This is because Reason doesn't really stream audio tracks, and it certainly doesn't record them either. It's all synths and samplers, so on the whole, of the few audio files it does use, they will be pretty small, which just about any HD can deal with very easily. Laptop drives included.

Paul

[EDIT] Im an idiot! First time I read your post I only saw "Reason" Now I see Logic also.
SO! With that in mind.. it will all depend on how many audio tracks you intend to work with. But most laptop drives are pretty good these days, so you likely won't have a problem unless working at high sample/bit rates.
I'd try it first. if the internal drives struggles, then sure, get yourself an external.

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Re: Set up Question new [Re: paul007]
      #785004 - 05/11/09 03:41 PM

Thanks Paul,

Yes logic will be my main DAW with Reason either being the creative software and importing the Synths etc into Reason for mixing purposes or Re-wiring it in, I play guitar so need to record Audio as well.

Tracks wise I would like to think I could get to 50 max, with the sort of music I write, my old PC with Logic 5.5 could not handle that in a million years, hence why the jump to Mac.


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Re: Set up Question new [Re: paul007]
      #785184 - 06/11/09 10:36 AM

I've tried various set-ups over the years and messed around with partitions, external drives, defragmentation etc and I think it's true to say that the optimal solution changes from year to year, as hardware and software change. Right now there are three governing factors in your set-up.

1) CPU speed. How many processes you are throwing at your CPU.
If, like me, you use your laptop for e-mail, browsing and the rest of your life, you will see (in Activity Monitor) how much stuff is going on which is nothing to do with your music. One solution is to create a user account just for making music which has no log-in items, no shareware utilities, a reduced font set, a plain grey screen, no wi-fi, no routine back-ups that kick-in every hour and no superfluous user processes. Since doing this I have have never had a CPU stall while running Logic. If you do 'run out of cycles' regularly, you might consider an external device like a Powercore to share the load.

2) Hard disk speed.
The mantra is: faster is better, which currently means 7200rpm. An internal disk at this speed will be able to handle many, many tracks but you still might run up against a speed barrier which is why most DAWs offer a 'freeze track'-type function (this also relates to available CPU). I have tried having my sample and audio files on an external HD. Some people swear by this, but it didn't make any difference for me and was outweighed by the convenience of having everything on one internal disk. It gets quite tedious when applications (e.g. Cubase) keep forgetting where their audio files live.

3) Hard disk space.
Personally, I have let all the installers put their files exactly in their default places (see above). This causes fewer problems for updates (e.g. Logic expects to find itself at the top level of Applications). However it does mean that about 50Gb of my HD is dedicated to music files. Current thinking is that defragmentation, whilst making things pretty, does not offer any advantages to speed, unless you have very large media files e.g. video and audio which are read more fluidly if sitting in a contiguous block. But if you maintain 10-20% free space at any time (opinions vary) that should be enough for caches, temporary file swaps and all that stuff. If you have no free space, you will definitely encounter problems.

But even with a 250 Gb disk you might start running out of space when you have created several projects, and at that point you might have to store older projects on an external HD and just keep the ones you are currently working on in your laptop. But at this point you're really into managing your own working practise and preferences. You should in any case have a large external disk for keeping back-ups. Some people like to keep all their active projects on a 7200 external HD which they can carry separately from their computer for security reasons or easy transportation to a studio, or just to keep things organised.

As regards firewire, many devices will have more than one firewire port so you can daisy chain external units. Just be aware that firewire (unlike USB) very rarely provides enough power for external devices so each will still need its own PSU. A properly powered-up Firewire chain works just fine.


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