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stinkfinger



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Processor Speed or RAM?
      #785473 - 07/11/09 01:14 PM

Which is most important for running Logic?

For example which would be better: a 3.06G processor with 8G RAM, OR a 3.33G processor with 4G RAM??


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jayzed
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Re: Processor Speed or RAM? new [Re: stinkfinger]
      #785498 - 07/11/09 04:24 PM

Running with these specs, the 8 G of RAM wins out, hands down.

However, if you specified a 3.06 with 16 G and a 3.33 with 8 G, the opposite would apply.

At least until Apple gets around to updating Logic to 64 bit.
Logic can't use more than 4GB and although some applications bodge this by running the plugin as a stub which calls another process actually running the app (Kontakt for example) you are generally stuck with 4GB max memory use by Logic until it's upgraded.

With 8G, although Logic can only use 4, the other 4 will be used by the OS and any other running apps. If you had 16GB, chances are Logic would use 4, the OS would use a bit and the rest would sit bone idle unless you wished or needed to run other apps at the same time - rewired Reason or Ableton Live come to mind.

Of course, your usage could affect this. If you use lots of VIs that use DSP to get their sound and limited or no sample players then you may get better performance using the faster machine with less RAM. In my travels people tend to either use a mix of samplers and synths or mostly samplers so I've not come across a situation where this would apply, as yet.

Of course, we're talking a pretty small step up in power betweeen these two CPUs - with memory bottlenecks, possible disc access etc you will not see the 10% improvement as suggested by the raw clock speeds.


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Re: Processor Speed or RAM? new [Re: stinkfinger]
      #785499 - 07/11/09 04:29 PM

Always RAM first, imho.

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Re: Processor Speed or RAM? new [Re: stinkfinger]
      #785531 - 07/11/09 06:58 PM

You can always buy RAM at a later date however (if you leave some free slots).

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Re: Processor Speed or RAM? new [Re: stinkfinger]
      #785545 - 07/11/09 08:21 PM

RAM is inexpensive these days... you can always get more if you need more.

In the case of Logic, I would be more concerned with the number of CPU cores than a minute difference in CPU speed.

jord


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Maske



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Re: Processor Speed or RAM? new [Re: Bear-Faced Cow]
      #786212 - 10/11/09 08:38 AM

Quote Bear-Faced Cow:

RAM is inexpensive these days... you can always get more if you need more.

In the case of Logic, I would be more concerned with the number of CPU cores than a minute difference in CPU speed.

jord




I wouldn't agreee with that for the minute.

DDR2 was dirt cheap, but now supplies are so short, the price has almost coubled for 2x2 GB sticks.

DDR3 is still not really cheap, but in MAC terms, much cheaper than processor bumps.


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Re: Processor Speed or RAM? new [Re: stinkfinger]
      #786220 - 10/11/09 09:13 AM

Definitely more RAM in this case. Have ended up with 12GB in my Mac Pro which really shines when running multiple apps.

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Re: Processor Speed or RAM? new [Re: Maske]
      #786369 - 10/11/09 05:58 PM

Quote Maske:

I wouldn't agreee with that for the minute.

DDR2 was dirt cheap, but now supplies are so short, the price has almost coubled for 2x2 GB sticks.

DDR3 is still not really cheap, but in MAC terms, much cheaper than processor bumps.




I don't know where you're doing your shopping, but I can get 8GB RAM for about $260 retail for both DDR2 and DDR3... and even cheaper wholesale.

Considering the prices I've seen for RAM in the past two decades, this is very inexpensive.

jord


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necromunger



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Re: Processor Speed or RAM? new [Re: stinkfinger]
      #786372 - 10/11/09 06:13 PM

how about some of these. http://www.lambda-tek.com/componentshop/index.pl?prodID=B222909

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Larry Mal



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Re: Processor Speed or RAM? new [Re: stinkfinger]
      #786375 - 10/11/09 06:30 PM

Sounds to me like you're thinking about buying RAM from Apple. That's a big mistake, unless you hate your money. Just get the stock amount of RAM that Apple ships and adjust it yourself later, it's something you can find a better deal on and add yourself as you like in the future.

Go for processor speed for now, add RAM later.

The basic fact is, RAM, you can control, the CPU, you can never control or adjust.

And sadly, the fact that Logic and the other major DAW's for Mac's are still 32 bit means than none of them can access more than about 3.2 GBs without crashing anyway, although there are workarounds, it still isn't necessary to have more than 6 GBs of RAM really. Add more when it does 64 bit.


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stinkfinger



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Re: Processor Speed or RAM? new [Re: stinkfinger]
      #786497 - 11/11/09 11:34 AM

Thanks for your replies, I went for an i7 quad iMac with standard 4G RAM in the end. My problem originally was that I didn't want to wait, but I would have had to wait for a C2D 27" anyway so it made no difference.

Thanks again.



ps. dont suppose anyone around here has any inside info on when Apple are going to start shipping the i7's?


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Re: Processor Speed or RAM? new [Re: stinkfinger]
      #786861 - 12/11/09 04:40 PM

Spoke to Apple UK today (as a potential purchaser) and they thought next week.

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