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basilfawlty



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i3 laptop and Behringer U-control for basic DAW?
      #1060616 - 04/08/13 01:26 PM
The good lady has upgraded her laptop, meaning we have a redundant i3 (an Acer Aspire with Win7). Before getting my hands dirty with cleaning / installing stuff, I wondered if there is a chance the above configuration may work?

I've been out of the PC Laptop DAW game for a while but seem to recall threads where folks were saying uless its got a Texas chipset then don't bother. But was this regarding USB or F/W? I forget. Also recall stuff regarding power management settings...

Basically its so that I can put Reaper / Reason / Soundforge on a machine for my boy to get into - he's starting to show more than a passing interest in all things music tech, and I'm thinking that him having a machine he can use at his leisure will a) encourage him to delve further and b) keep the little b*gger off my production rig so I can get some work done!

As ever, thoughts and suggestions extremely welcome!

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Re: i3 laptop and Behringer U-control for basic DAW? new [Re: basilfawlty]
      #1060706 - 05/08/13 09:10 AM
My first post! I’ve been lurking, reading, and learning. Now, finally, I can contribute something

I have an Acer i5 laptop that I bought 2 years ago. It’s rubbish really, although to be fair, for the price (£400 new) it’s good value. In the past I always self built – best components – ultimate performance. But I got fed up with the hassle and decided to go completely the other way. Plus I was starting out and not sure how far I wanted to take things.

I run Sonar X2a on Win8. I have a Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 interface (USB) and I can run low latencies with no drop-outs, pops, or crackles. Everything works as it should. Ok, I don’t make huge demands of the system. A dozen tracks at most, mostly real instruments/voices. But I reckon there’s plenty of capability going spare.

This is my first experience of DAWs. I’ve only recently got back into music. I’m blown away with what you can achieve these days compared to the Tascam Port One I used in my teens.


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Re: i3 laptop and Behringer U-control for basic DAW? new [Re: zigmond99]
      #1063437 - 23/08/13 01:22 PM
I run Sonar X1d on an Acer i3 laptop with a Roland Quad Capture interface, and am able to run projects with 30-odd audio tracks and FX without any difficulty. The CPU is fine - I run at least 10 softsynths per project before I render to audio for mixing (just something I do to police myself from tweaking sounds forever). The thing to look out for on these machines (as any other budget laptop) is the disk performance, as they come with a 5400 rpm hard disk fitted. However, after a few tweaks to Sonar's disk buffers my machine now runs very well.

I've actually recorded and mixed an album for the Electro-Industrial duo I'm one half of using my Acer, and it was more than up to the task - all of the instrumental parts were produced "in the box". To answer the original question I've also used it with the mega cheap Behringer UCA-202 interface, and it will run with 5.8ms latency (as reported in Sonar) with no trouble at all.

I also use mine live as well to play backing tracks while I play a couple of hardware synths live. These "budget" machines get more flak than they deserve in my view- I'm certainly very happy with mine.

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Re: i3 laptop and Behringer U-control for basic DAW? new [Re: basilfawlty]
      #1064380 - 30/08/13 10:21 PM
i3 and i5 over rated.... very much the same when it comes down to running the same on a DAW with a AMD but falls to bits (the i3 and i5) when doing video work.... please do not bother quoting whatever benchmarks you can troll off the net, just try and quote PRACTICAL times for doing tasks off different systems, or in the words of traffic.... light up or leave me alone

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Re: i3 laptop and Behringer U-control for basic DAW? new [Re: DragonLogos]
      #1064680 - 02/09/13 02:49 PM
AMD 8350 on the BitTech bench. Both the Handbreak and Gimp tests are done against a timer rather than being generated by a synthetic benchmark which should meet your criteria.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2012/11/06/amd-fx-8350-revi...

Anything above that chip pricepoint wise is going head to head with a 4770k and they've nothing that remotely comes close to that.

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Re: i3 laptop and Behringer U-control for basic DAW? new [Re: Pete Kaine]
      #1065308 - 06/09/13 10:15 PM
PRACTICAL times Peter... PRACTICAL times

As per the post.... DO NOT BOTHER QUOTING ME BENCH MARKS

With all due respect, you are one of the best audio specialists in you fields of practise, Bench marks are an indication of what something may or may not do, but they are only a test, a test put together by someone who was looking at a particular problem. HOWEVER if you are to give your expert opinion, which people value so much, is it not incumbent on you to judge the merits of the matter on the facts alone.... the fact being what is real (according to a benchmark) but should be based on a practical performance of the items in question

If you can honestly say that this has been done then that is the end of it, kindly quote the time that AMD took to take this and that... and that Intel took less or more to do this and that... and we can let it go there, better than having Uncle Tom Hardware giving their three and sixpence. Price and so on will be a factor, also I hope that people MIGHT take into consideration what impact there might be in the idea of forming some kind of opposition to a monopolistic situation, but the current self serving egoist nature of things might prove that somewhat impossible

After all who gives a...

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Re: i3 laptop and Behringer U-control for basic DAW? new [Re: Pete Kaine]
      #1065310 - 06/09/13 10:48 PM
BTW in practical terms your Intel baby when trying to render a VOB file fell apart....badly, perhaps it was looking for something

Intel Chips Prone to Hacks

Quote:

“Some 64-bit operating systems and virtualization software running on Intel CPU hardware are vulnerable to a local privilege escalation attack. The vulnerability may be exploited for local privilege escalation or a guest-to-host virtual machine escape,” says the US-CERT

AMD is also on the list of vendors not affected by the privileged escalation exposure issued by US-CERT. Because the SYSRET instruction is handled differently on AMD CPUs, the CVE-2012-0217 vulnerability does not apply to these chips

“AMD processors’ SYSRET behavior is such that a non-canonical address in RCX does not generate a #GP while in CPL0. We have verified this with our architecture team, with our design team, and have performed tests that verified this on silicon,” said AMD. “Therefore, this privilege escalation exposure is not applicable to any AMD processor“






You can read between the lines as much as you like

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Re: i3 laptop and Behringer U-control for basic DAW? new [Re: basilfawlty]
      #1065334 - 07/09/13 08:57 AM
Hmmm... I am left wondering if there is an equivalent to Godwin's Law that states that any thread about microprocessors will collapse in on itself when somebody mentions the 'other' manufacturer?



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Re: i3 laptop and Behringer U-control for basic DAW? new [Re: DragonLogos]
      #1065596 - 09/09/13 11:08 AM
Quote DragonLogos:


As per the post.... DO NOT BOTHER QUOTING ME BENCH MARKS





Quote DragonLogos:


the fact being what is real (according to a benchmark) but should be based on a practical performance of the items in question





The reason I choose that test to highlight is that it's a batch file that executes 4 real world applications and times how long they take to do real world work. The test was developed to do the exact thing your talking about, time how long it takes to process a pre-determined number of actions. To conduct a fair test it would have to assembled into a batch file anyway if you were doing it yourself, in order to remove the human varible from the process (as in how fast can the average human hit stop a stop watch?) so a standardized one makes perfect sense.

Any test that meets your critera will be pretty much just a variation of that with different programs switched in place of the current ones.

Quote DragonLogos:


If you can honestly say that this has been done then that is the end of it, kindly quote the time that AMD took to take this and that...




I should have a copy of that suite sat around on a server somewhere if you want pull it apart and poke holes in it, otherwise it feels like I would just be re-inventing the wheel by replicating someone elses work.

Quote DragonLogos:


Intel Chips Prone to Hacks





Which was fixed around the same time on the client side.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2185052/intel-cpu-f...

Security flaws are discovered and reported constantly at every level of the system architecture be it hardware or software, the key thing is that the problem is recognised and resolved à la Microsoft patch Tuesday.


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Re: i3 laptop and Behringer U-control for basic DAW? new [Re: Pete Kaine]
      #1069944 - 11/10/13 11:09 PM
Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it.

Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many.

Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books.

Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it

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Re: i3 laptop and Behringer U-control for basic DAW? new [Re: Pete Kaine]
      #1069945 - 11/10/13 11:31 PM


One has to wonder what 'thisn' means.... perhaps his Lordship of Grammar the right Horrible JH can explain, but other than that, the pasting over of a back door is a laugh a minute, but perhaps that has slipped by? Did anyone not notice it?

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Re: i3 laptop and Behringer U-control for basic DAW? new [Re: Pete Kaine]
      #1069946 - 11/10/13 11:34 PM
Quote:

Security flaws are discovered and reported constantly at every level of the system architecture be it hardware or software, the key thing is that the problem is recognised and resolved à la Microsoft patch Tuesday.





Not when its in the Hardware

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Re: i3 laptop and Behringer U-control for basic DAW? new [Re: DragonLogos]
      #1069947 - 11/10/13 11:38 PM
Nosi

Aupres des portes & dedans deux citez
Seront deux fleaux, & onc n'apperceut VN TEL,
Faim, dedans peste, de fer hors gens boutez,
Crier secours au grand Dieu immortel.

and its translation to English:

Near the gates and inside two cities
Will be TWO FLAWS, and nobody noticed it [from] INTEL
Hunger, pest inside, by steel people thrown out
Cry for help to the great immortal God.

INTEL's name:
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The spelling is not quite correct: a V instead of an I, and an extra space between N and T. The word resembles more the french expression 'un tel' (meaning 'such', 'what-s-his-name', 'same' or 'some person') especially since u's and v's are often substituted. Critics could say that 'un tel' would be a common French expression, and dismiss the prediction as pure chance. However, the words 'vn tel' occur only once in all the quatrains, and that's here!

The space in VN TEL is maybe a hint at a pun. In could be a prefix meaning 'not', and in-tel[l] = those who do not tell (Like in in-correct = not correct, in-divisble = not divisible, im-precise = not precise). If we consider the v as an u, we keep this meaning: un-professional = not professional, un-tested = not tested.

V is also the roman numeral 5, as in 586, PENTium, or 5 missing lookup fnord table entries (which caused the bug).

The repetition of INSIDE:
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In this quatrain, the word 'inside' (dedans) occurs twice, which is remarkable, considering that it only occurs 24 times in total in all the quatrains. This must have a meaning. You guessed it: The 'In-tell Inside' advertisement campaign.
The number 24 itself also has a meaning: It's the mean time between division errors (in days) for normal spreadsheet usage according to IBM's analysis. Nostradamus himself believed IBM (24 days) more than In-tell (27000 years)!

The Gates
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There are some doubts whether these refer to Bill Gate$, or rather to the logical gates on the microprocessor.

The Cities
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Here we have two interpretations too:
1. The cities mean corporations, as in Micro$oft and In-tell. In-tell had the pentium bug, and Micro$oft the Windows calculator bug (2.01 - 2.00 = 0!)
2. The city is the aspect of the microprocessor when looked at under a microscope. (Remember that In-tell commercial where the 'camera' flies into the PC and discovers the Pentium?) The different parts of the processors can be viewed as distinct neighbouring cities: the floating point unit, the integer unit, the cache memory, ...
According to this interpretation, another Pentium bug will be found in one of the other units. It's severity will be comparable to the FDIV bug.

Two flaws
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Obvious. The FDIV flaw, and the yet-to-be discovered integer flaw.

Hunger
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In-tell's _greed_, which made them hide the flaw and minimize it later. The hunger may also hint at In-tell's bankruptcy after the second flaw will be discovered by the public. In-tell will lose almost all its market share, and many employees will lose their jobs.

Pest inside
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Nostradamus' version of 'In-tell Inside' :-)

By steel
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Steel = hardware. This is not a SOFTware bug (as most bugs), but a HARDware bug. (And in the traditional sense, hardware means 'steel tools')

People thrown out
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Initially In-tell 'threw out' (turned down) people asking for a replacement chip, because they were not deemed worthy.
Another interpretation would be that people threw out their chips. (Re-arrange the words: 'By people steel thrown out')
Btw, the French word 'bouter' is used nowadays to mean 'to boot [a computer]'. Yet another hint that Nostradamus is indeed speaking about computers.

Cry for help to the great immortal God.
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According to Phil, this means:
They cry for help from the Law

There will always be the Law, in any civilization -- there's nothing certain except death and taxes, as they say -- so Law is a great immortal God of civilization.

They cry for help from the Federal Government of the U.S.

Same reasons as Law, plus the Federal Government of the U.S. has roots in Deism (witness the pyramid fnord with the all-seeing Eye on the U.S. dollar), and the U.S. Federal Government may indeed last until the "end of times".
Usually, computer people have a negative attitude towards lawyers. Lawyers are considered to be profiteers and to block progress with idiotic ideas such as 'look & feel' lawsuits and software patents.
But these same computer people were so upset at In-tell's scam that some resorted to the hated lawyers to fight against In-tell. Many people filed suits in small claims courts, some even filed class-action suits! Finally State Attorneys General's intervened, and forced In-tell to change its policy!

Number games:
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This quatrain has exactly 133 letters (I count '&' as 'et' = 2 letters). 133 = hexadecimal 0x85, i.e. x86 with one missing! Maybe a subtle joke at the arithmetic (in)capabilities of the 585.99912554 ? That would make this quatrain the oldest Pentium joke around :-)

The number of the quatrain:
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The number may hide the date, June 2nd, when In-tell discovered the bug themselves.

Why did Nostramus speak about this incident?
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Now, why did Nostradamus predict this seemingly insignificant incident? Usually he speaks about wars, revolutions and catastrophes, and now he speaks about microprocessor bugs! Well there's more behind this affair than meets the eye. It was the first time in history that the consumership forced a megacorporation to change its policy to meet their true needs. This incidents establishes new rules in the relationship between consumers and megacorporations. Consumers are no longer powerless, and megacorporations are no longer allmighty.
Other corporations have already seen this new trend, and gave up past arrogant attitudes. For instance, Diamond now supplies programming information for their video cards. A few month ago, consumers had to sign non-disclosure agreements in order to learn how to use their expensive video cards!

This new relationship will not be limited to the commerce, but spread to politics too. We'll see more and more net-petitions. The new communication media will give the people more power. This incident marks a turning point in the relations of power, the ringing of the division bell has begun!
That's why politicians fear this new technology and try to squelch it while its still weak. Police upload child pornography to bulletin boards, get a search warrant, and "find" the child pornography on said bulletin board. This is the pretext to harass and imprison the owner. That's why they cut funding to the backbone.
That's why they try to limit the liberty of speech using ludicrous pretexts. Fortunately, there are anonymous remailers :-)
That's why they spread rumors about computer "geeks".
That's why they raid computer game stores without an apparent reason.
That's why they pass laws against cryptography and secure communication.

The whole incident is about more than just a chip which can't compute 5 / 15 correctly!

Michel

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Re: i3 laptop and Behringer U-control for basic DAW? new [Re: basilfawlty]
      #1069948 - 11/10/13 11:46 PM
BTW

PPL will do what ever it is that they will do, free will and all, who cares, even if Maths is against them

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Re: i3 laptop and Behringer U-control for basic DAW? new [Re: DragonLogos]
      #1069949 - 11/10/13 11:50 PM
Ohhhh no.... it should be Are against them.... well there you go

(there you go)

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Re: i3 laptop and Behringer U-control for basic DAW? new [Re: basilfawlty]
      #1069953 - 12/10/13 12:14 AM
Bad day at the office Dragonlogos?

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