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Li-rocchi



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People who have moved from Cubase to Reaper (and anyone else with views on either DAW) - your thoughts please....
      #1072418 - 30/10/13 10:27 AM
Hi all

I've only really flirted with recording in the past. I have been using Cubase SX3 over the years, but because long periods of time elapse between recordings, I tend to forget a lot of what I learnt. Plus, the recordings I did then were quite basic so there was a lot of Cubase I never looked into.....

I'm now making a start on an album and am hoping this will be the beginning of a full time commitment to recording. To begin with I just thought I would carry on using Cubase SX3 as I already have it and have some familiarity with it from past use. I also have books on how to use it.

But the more I've thought about it the more I've wondered whether it would be a mistake learning and getting into the nitty gritty of a programme which is now very old. This initially led me to consider buying Cubase 7. But now I'm starting to think about going down the Reaper road.....

My mind is far too analytical and questioning to want to learn more than one DAW! These things take me a lot of time... And pain! So I'm planning on choosing one DAW from the off and then sticking with it.

Anyhow.... please excuse me for thinking allowed. What I really meant to ask is whether anyone who made the switch from Cubase to Reaper would be happy to share the story of how the switch went for them. Is it a steep learning curve? Did your previous knowledge of Cubase help or hinder your learning of Reaper? Are there things you missed from Cubase? Conversely, are there things Reaper does that Cubase doesn't and that you would not now want to live without?

And more generally, does anyone have an opinion on which road I should go down?

Kind regards

Max


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Re: People who have moved from Cubase to Reaper (and anyone else with views on either DAW) - your thoughts please.... new [Re: Li-rocchi]
      #1072430 - 30/10/13 11:27 AM
I use both, but I haven't 'switched'.

I find Cubase much quicker, but familiarity plays a big part in this. There's not much you can do in Cubase that is impossible in Reaper, but it can be a bit of a hunt to find out how. For one example, VariAudio plays a big part in my life, so I'd be lost without that.

This said, I think it's the wrong place to start by considering Reaper as 'an alternative to Cubase with the following missing bits/compromises...'. Rather I would look at it as a completely independent DAW that has its own capabilities. If you're going to be using Reaper while looking over the fence at Cubase you're just making the grass look greener over there.

Put simply, if you want Cubase then use Cubase, if you're prepared to forget about what you may miss from Cubase then try Reaper and see if it fits what you want to do - it's free to try it after all!

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Re: People who have moved from Cubase to Reaper (and anyone else with views on either DAW) - your thoughts please.... new [Re: Li-rocchi]
      #1072432 - 30/10/13 11:30 AM
What is the reason for your switch, is it mainly down to budget? You don't say much about your album. Do you have a record label, a recording budget and is part or all of it based on midi?


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Re: People who have moved from Cubase to Reaper (and anyone else with views on either DAW) - your thoughts please.... new [Re: Li-rocchi]
      #1072438 - 30/10/13 12:14 PM
I was a Cubase user between 1997 and 2010 (VST 5 on Mac to 5.5.3 on Windows) who has switched to Reaper. I simply got tired of the update policy and expense. I also got tired of their lack of responsiveness to bug fixes (and attitude). The things I do miss are the pitch correction and notation, but Reaper does have decent pitch correction to be fair...I use an external notation program (Forte free, Notepad, MuseScore).

The very first thing I noticed was how fast Reaper loads...seconds (literally 3 secs.). Cubase takes 27 seconds on my system, and it is an optimized DAW. If you think that's nothing, try imagining that you are inspired and want to get an idea down immediately - 24 seconds can kill the moment of inspiration imo. Aside from that, it is really just annoying now when I have to go back to maintain an older project.

Next, I noticed that my DAW could handle more plug-ins at low latency; so the immediate added benefit was headroom and no more track freezing (although Reaper has that too). This benefit alone sold me, but there were a few more reasons:

- Built-in VST 32/64 bridge (32 bit plugs-ins work on 64 bit system)
- Themed interface (try White Tie Imperial or even a Cubase skin!)
- No bloatware (who needs GrooveAgent or more synths)
- User support (bugs actually get fixed)

I am thumbing-my-nose at Steinberg or course, but they got quite a bit of $$ from me in the past, so I think I have earned the right to lambaste them a little. Some people consider the learning curve of Reaper to be very high, but I think that depends on how fixated you are with proprietary features of a particular program.

I decoupled myself from specific features during my transition period in 2007 (I tried several programs before settling on Reaper) so I was able to acclimate quickly. Start with the basics and use the very friendly forum.

Edited by johnrule (30/10/13 12:22 PM)


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Re: People who have moved from Cubase to Reaper (and anyone else with views on either DAW) - your thoughts please.... new [Re: johnrule]
      #1072449 - 30/10/13 02:17 PM
Quote johnrule:

I was a Cubase user between 1997 and 2010 (VST 5 on Mac to 5.5.3 on Windows) who has switched to Reaper. I simply got tired of the update policy and expense. I also got tired of their lack of responsiveness to bug fixes (and attitude). The things I do miss are the pitch correction and notation, but Reaper does have decent pitch correction to be fair...I use an external notation program (Forte free, Notepad, MuseScore).

The very first thing I noticed was how fast Reaper loads...seconds (literally 3 secs.). Cubase takes 27 seconds on my system, and it is an optimized DAW. If you think that's nothing, try imagining that you are inspired and want to get an idea down immediately - 24 seconds can kill the moment of inspiration imo. Aside from that, it is really just annoying now when I have to go back to maintain an older project.

Next, I noticed that my DAW could handle more plug-ins at low latency; so the immediate added benefit was headroom and no more track freezing (although Reaper has that too). This benefit alone sold me, but there were a few more reasons:

- Built-in VST 32/64 bridge (32 bit plugs-ins work on 64 bit system)
- Themed interface (try White Tie Imperial or even a Cubase skin!)
- No bloatware (who needs GrooveAgent or more synths)
- User support (bugs actually get fixed)

I am thumbing-my-nose at Steinberg or course, but they got quite a bit of $$ from me in the past, so I think I have earned the right to lambaste them a little. Some people consider the learning curve of Reaper to be very high, but I think that depends on how fixated you are with proprietary features of a particular program.

I decoupled myself from specific features during my transition period in 2007 (I tried several programs before settling on Reaper) so I was able to acclimate quickly. Start with the basics and use the very friendly forum.



First of all I would recommend a SSD drive, they are very cheap and take a lot of the pain out of using computers.

Secondly I would really think about what you are trying to achieve. Steinberg don't care if you thumb your nose at them or not, and enjoyable forums are not what is going to make your album a good one.

If you are here for confirmation that your switch to Reaper is a good one, there's plenty of Reaper zealots here who will no doubt chime in with support. Whether it will help or hinder your album should be the number one priority here, in my opinion.


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Re: People who have moved from Cubase to Reaper (and anyone else with views on either DAW) - your thoughts please.... new [Re: Li-rocchi]
      #1072461 - 30/10/13 03:59 PM
Don't know about Reaper at present but Cubase certainly does supply a working demo of C7 for about a month or so. Reaper used to. I didn't get on with Reaper when I tried it but it certainly has it's talents. I suppose, and it might be improved now, that I just got jaded by continuous updates and reams of fixes and new features which I then had to wade into the updates and into the program to find. Most times I found that not a lot new was happening that wasn't under the hood. Just add that to opinions though as LOTS of people do really like it.

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Re: People who have moved from Cubase to Reaper (and anyone else with views on either DAW) - your thoughts please.... new [Re: johnny h]
      #1072468 - 30/10/13 04:59 PM
Quote johnny h:

First of all I would recommend a SSD drive



I have an SSD, but that is beside the point as Reaper and Cubase are on the same 7200 rpm drive so it is a fair comparison. I have no desire to help Cubase load faster because the problem is already solved by the more efficient Reaper startup time.

Quote johnny h:

Secondly I would really think about what you are trying to achieve.



In terms of what I am trying to achieve, I am achieving everything that I want...I didn't express any desire for your advice on how to achieve anything.

Quote johnny h:

If you are here for confirmation that your switch to Reaper is a good one...



I wasn't looking for confirmation of anything...the OP was looking for comments from people who have switched, which is exactly what I provided.


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Re: People who have moved from Cubase to Reaper (and anyone else with views on either DAW) - your thoughts please.... new [Re: johnrule]
      #1072478 - 30/10/13 06:07 PM
If you record music through microphones (or down cables from guitars etc.) and mix in the traditional manner, just about any DAW will do the job very nicely, so you might as well buy the cheapest one.

Cubase has many features of a "music construction set" rather than just an analogue multitrack emulation. Only you can decide if they are useful to you. Ditto for Reaper's features.

Both programs have free trials. So you can spend your time more usefully than looking for answers here!

(As you'll have noticed, opinions get slanted by the perception of Steinberg as evil big business, Cockos as the home-grown good guys. And by reaction against this :-)


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Re: People who have moved from Cubase to Reaper (and anyone else with views on either DAW) - your thoughts please.... new [Re: johnrule]
      #1072487 - 30/10/13 07:01 PM
Quote johnrule:

Quote johnny h:

First of all I would recommend a SSD drive



I have an SSD, but that is beside the point as Reaper and Cubase are on the same 7200 rpm drive so it is a fair comparison. I have no desire to help Cubase load faster because the problem is already solved by the more efficient Reaper startup time.




Well you must have an incredibly tiny SSD drive. Cubase uses about 150mb. Its a bizarre idea not to keep your programs on your SSD drive..
johnny h Quote:


Quote johnny h:

Secondly I would really think about what you are trying to achieve.



In terms of what I am trying to achieve, I am achieving everything that I want...



Clearly not, because you're strange obsession with program loading times and forums seem to take up an extraordinarily large part of your attention. Still, if thumbing your nose at Steinberg is as important as keeping your little programs off your precious SSD, all I can say is good luck with the album!


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Re: People who have moved from Cubase to Reaper (and anyone else with views on either DAW) - your thoughts please.... new [Re: Li-rocchi]
      #1072497 - 30/10/13 07:27 PM
Don't mind Johnny, he gets very sensitive when people prefer Reaper to Cubase. I prefer Reaper to Cubase, and have done for at least 6 years, I guess that makes me a Reaper zealot! Reasons: ease of use, included plugins and flexible routing, responsiveness, fast start up, intuitive (for me), stable, blah blah blah. Try out Reaper, and if you don't like it, try Cubase.

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Re: People who have moved from Cubase to Reaper (and anyone else with views on either DAW) - your thoughts please.... new [Re: Richard Graham]
      #1072500 - 30/10/13 07:39 PM
Quote Richard Graham:

Don't mind Johnny, he gets very sensitive when people prefer Reaper to Cubase. I prefer Reaper to Cubase, and have done for at least 6 years, I guess that makes me a Reaper zealot! Reasons: ease of use, included plugins and flexible routing, responsiveness, fast start up, intuitive (for me), stable, blah blah blah. Try out Reaper, and if you don't like it, try Cubase.



I'm not sensitive at all if people don't like Cubase or Reaper, I don't use either. But, citing reasons such as a friendly forum and faster start up times (despite having a SSD that is inexplicably not used for programs) is, in my view, rather an odd way of determining which piece of software you will use to create a whole album. The number 1 priority has got to be how it enables you produce the best results.

Typically I've found the people who obsess most about the banal and trivial aspects of music production are those that accomplish the least.


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Re: People who have moved from Cubase to Reaper (and anyone else with views on either DAW) - your thoughts please.... new [Re: johnny h]
      #1072538 - 30/10/13 10:45 PM
Quote johnny h:

despite having a SSD that is inexplicably not used for programs...



So Reaper would start up in 1 second and Cubase in 15...who is trivial now? As I stated, the difference of a few seconds can short-circuit what I am trying to accomplish. The faster start-up time of Reaper is much appreciated and conducive to greater production imo.

Quote johnny h:

Typically I've found the people who obsess most about the banal and trivial aspects of music production are those that accomplish the least.



Getting personal does not prove your point and is the sign of a weak argument.

Quote Richard Graham:

Don't mind Johnny, he gets very sensitive when people prefer Reaper to Cubase



Now you tell me


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Re: People who have moved from Cubase to Reaper (and anyone else with views on either DAW) - your thoughts please.... new [Re: Li-rocchi]
      #1072545 - 30/10/13 11:50 PM
I have been using Cubase since before the flood. But am starting t get fed up of the increasing upgrade costs, it used ot cost £50 to updrade, then it went through the £100 barrier, then £150 - it's clear there's a pattern here. So it won't be long before they crack the £200 level.

So I tried Reaper, a few times and it just didn't do it for me. That being said I do mostly MIDI and lob a few audio tracks on top. In addition to the MIDI editing, there are the Cubase Patchnames, for MIDI hardware, the patchnames really are useful.

If I were on Audio only, I might find Reaper a worthwhile alternative to Cubase, but I simply could fathom the MIDI.

Presonus Studio One seems to be well thought of, haven't tried it myself though


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Re: People who have moved from Cubase to Reaper (and anyone else with views on either DAW) - your thoughts please.... new [Re: Li-rocchi]
      #1072571 - 31/10/13 10:03 AM
I've used Reaper as my main DAW for quite a while now. I switched from Adobe Audition when they really messed up with version 2. It does just about everything I need apart from a few restoration processes, but I mainly work with audio rather than MIDI these days. The MIDI side has been fine whenever I've tried it.

Reaper has proved far more reliable than the version of Cubase that I bought a few years ago.

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Re: People who have moved from Cubase to Reaper (and anyone else with views on either DAW) - your thoughts please.... new [Re: Li-rocchi]
      #1072577 - 31/10/13 10:42 AM
I own a studio which has ProTools, Radar, Soundscape and we used to also offer Nuendo, CuBase and Audition. I use only Reaper as my personal multitrack editor because -

1. It can sit on a laptop without dongle or difficulty, so I can work anywhere.

2. It is the only DAW I have found that does elastic audio at the touch of a single button and without artefacts or losing transients. That means that even the grottiest drum track takes just a few minutes to quantise and clean up.

3. It comes with hundreds of plug-ins, including autotune, harmonisers and a really good reverb that is a genuine alternative to our 960L (Rea-Verbate, but not Rea-Verb) as well as all the usual amp-sims and ADTs, compressors, gates and the like.

4. It is really easy to use and very, very fast. No idiotic media-pools, no need to define routing or build a mixer before you can hear anything. Just drag-n-drop and hit play! And if you can't find some function, nine-times-out-of-ten, just click on a track, right click and there are all the editing and processing tools you need.

5. The development is taking place at breakneck speed. It now has (version 4.55) very sophisticated MIDI tools, Eucon support is just around the corner and serious A for V tools are in the pipeline.

I must admit that I would never (personally) track in any DAW, not Reaper, not ProTools and not any of the others. It just takes too long, it's too fiddly and there are too many gotchas! They are OK for home recording, but a commercial studio needs to be able to go to song six or project five instantly and not after a ten-second wait (or even longer!) I do that in Radar with pukka hardware, but once the tracks are in the can, it's just Reaper for me.

Other people using our place, use other things - the above is just my personal view!


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Re: People who have moved from Cubase to Reaper (and anyone else with views on either DAW) - your thoughts please.... new [Re: The Red Bladder]
      #1072595 - 31/10/13 12:13 PM
I second the above. I like the op was using Cubase SX3 for almost ten years but I was so sick of "serious error" crashes, instability I ditched it when I upgraded my XP PC to a Win 7. I have managed to install (just) SX3 on this new machine but it can't run a lot of the new 64 bit software. I decided to give Reaper a try as I didn't want to pay all over again for Cubase 7, with many features I don't want or need.

So far Reaper is all I use. It's excellent and as the above post says has plenty of excellent plugins, good forum, regular updates, customization,fast,STABLE,and very very reasonable cost wise. Oh and did I say Fast ?

My only frustration is not being able to re-master/edit my old album tracks in SX3 as some of the software will not work on this machine. I could painstakingly bring over the tracks into Reaper one day.


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Re: People who have moved from Cubase to Reaper (and anyone else with views on either DAW) - your thoughts please.... new [Re: Li-rocchi]
      #1072604 - 31/10/13 01:01 PM
I've recently started using Reason more and more as my main DAW (I used to use it as a big sound module via ReWire), but prior to that I used Cubase, and I tried out Reaper as well, planning to make the switch. THis is from the perspective of someone who doesn't do much (or any) "real" recording - almost everything I do is through VST instruments.

I found that Reaper's handling of VSTi's - especially multi-output VSTi's - was both highly flexible and maddening. In Cubase, it's trivial to set up (say) Kontakt with a separate output for each channel. In Reaper, I found it took huge amounts of faffing. The flip side is that the Reaper approach allows tons more flexibility, so if you're a tweaker, this might be a positive! For me, though, it was all a bit complicated to get working.

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Re: People who have moved from Cubase to Reaper (and anyone else with views on either DAW) - your thoughts please.... new [Re: The Red Bladder]
      #1072658 - 31/10/13 04:20 PM
Quote The Red Bladder:



5. The development is taking place at breakneck speed. It now has (version 4.55) very sophisticated MIDI tools, Eucon support is just around the corner and serious A for V tools are in the pipeline.






Hi Red Bladder, could you expand a bit on the MIDI tools? Have they made it easier to configure multi-output virtual instruments?

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Re: People who have moved from Cubase to Reaper (and anyone else with views on either DAW) - your thoughts please.... new [Re: Li-rocchi]
      #1072687 - 31/10/13 08:59 PM
Just adding my voice to the 'started on Cubase, switched to Reaper and never looked back' brigade.
(Actually started on Cooledit Pro, but that's another story.)

Can't add anything useful in a deeply technical sense, but so many little details make me so glad I changed. Just losing the need for the dongle for one- I can work on the laptop and the PC and sync between them without hassle. I too had got fed up with the expensive upgrade cycle. Reaper updates smoothly and very frequently at no cost. It's rock solid. The developers care, and look after their community. (The Reaper forum is excellent, and not full of whiny teenagers saying just how much everything 'sucks')

I did miss Cubase at first simply because it was familiar. I even tried to use a Cubase styled theme, then realised that was delusional. I was able to take some time learning Reaper over a long summer spent in bed with a serious illness, as something to take my mind off things rather than under the pressure of having to learn it to move a project forward. I did it by rebuilding some old Cubase projects in Reaper.

At first i missed have a dedicated audio editor, then gradually began to perceive that the bulk of any audio editing can be done in the main Reaper screen.

Found the comping hard to get used to, possibly this was my biggest 'wish it worked like Cubase' feature, but I love it now.

For me, all positives, no negatives. Goodbye Steinberg. Oh, except for my Wavelab for final organisation of CDs. Reaper purports to do this, but I haven't had mmuch success wih that.

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Re: People who have moved from Cubase to Reaper (and anyone else with views on either DAW) - your thoughts please.... new [Re: Kev Adams]
      #1072797 - 01/11/13 04:39 PM
Quote Kev Adams:

Just adding my voice to the 'started on Cubase, switched to Reaper and never looked back' brigade.
(Actually started on Cooledit Pro, but that's another story.)

Can't add anything useful in a deeply technical sense, but so many little details make me so glad I changed. Just losing the need for the dongle for one- I can work on the laptop and the PC and sync between them without hassle. I too had got fed up with the expensive upgrade cycle. Reaper updates smoothly and very frequently at no cost. It's rock solid. The developers care, and look after their community. (The Reaper forum is excellent, and not full of whiny teenagers saying just how much everything 'sucks')

I did miss Cubase at first simply because it was familiar. I even tried to use a Cubase styled theme, then realised that was delusional. I was able to take some time learning Reaper over a long summer spent in bed with a serious illness, as something to take my mind off things rather than under the pressure of having to learn it to move a project forward. I did it by rebuilding some old Cubase projects in Reaper.

At first i missed have a dedicated audio editor, then gradually began to perceive that the bulk of any audio editing can be done in the main Reaper screen.

Found the comping hard to get used to, possibly this was my biggest 'wish it worked like Cubase' feature, but I love it now.

For me, all positives, no negatives. Goodbye Steinberg. Oh, except for my Wavelab for final organisation of CDs. Reaper purports to do this, but I haven't had mmuch success wih that.




That's a great story. I feel the same, a bit daunting to get used to when used to Cubase but much more freedom and flexibility. Audio editing is a dream and you know for sure that they are not going to ditch this version for a complete new type leaving no support as Stienberg often do.

I hope you are much better now. Sorry to hear that.


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Re: People who have moved from Cubase to Reaper (and anyone else with views on either DAW) - your thoughts please.... new [Re: Marbury]
      #1072888 - 02/11/13 12:18 PM
Quote Marbury:

Quote Kev Adams:


I was able to take some time learning Reaper over a long summer spent in bed with a serious illness, as something to take my mind off things rather than under the pressure of having to learn it to move a project forward. I did it by rebuilding some old Cubase projects in Reaper.





That's a great story. I feel the same, a bit daunting to get used to when used to Cubase but much more freedom and flexibility. Audio editing is a dream and you know for sure that they are not going to ditch this version for a complete new type leaving no support as Stienberg often do.

I hope you are much better now. Sorry to hear that.




Much better, thanks, though stuck in a wheelchair . Since recovering (from lymphoma) I have produced a CD for a friend, done a demo for my covers band and am in the middle of recording and producing a 'radio ballad' style blend of recorded interview speech and songs, for another band of mine, all with Reaper.

The latter is a complicated project- twelve songs (live vocals and instruments and some VST), some split into segments between speech and running behind speech; incidental music; the interviews themselves; foley; stings etc etc. Basically, a radio documentary, and easy as pie to manage in Reaper. Reaper acts like a cross between Cubase song projects and Wavelab montages.

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Re: People who have moved from Cubase to Reaper (and anyone else with views on either DAW) - your thoughts please.... new [Re: Hoopy Frood]
      #1072910 - 02/11/13 05:18 PM
Quote Hoopy Frood:

I've recently started using Reason more and more as my main DAW (I used to use it as a big sound module via ReWire), but prior to that I used Cubase, and I tried out Reaper as well, planning to make the switch. THis is from the perspective of someone who doesn't do much (or any) "real" recording - almost everything I do is through VST instruments.

I found that Reaper's handling of VSTi's - especially multi-output VSTi's - was both highly flexible and maddening. In Cubase, it's trivial to set up (say) Kontakt with a separate output for each channel. In Reaper, I found it took huge amounts of faffing. The flip side is that the Reaper approach allows tons more flexibility, so if you're a tweaker, this might be a positive! For me, though, it was all a bit complicated to get working.




Hello Hoopy,

I bought Reason 7, and I would really like to use it more. But no matter what I try, I can't get midi notes to stick/move to the right place when I quantise, I click the quantise button, but the notes just stay where they are, any ideas what this is?


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Re: People who have moved from Cubase to Reaper (and anyone else with views on either DAW) - your thoughts please.... new [Re: OneWorld]
      #1072913 - 02/11/13 05:55 PM
Quote OneWorld:

Quote Hoopy Frood:

I've recently started using Reason more and more as my main DAW (I used to use it as a big sound module via ReWire), but prior to that I used Cubase, and I tried out Reaper as well, planning to make the switch. THis is from the perspective of someone who doesn't do much (or any) "real" recording - almost everything I do is through VST instruments.

I found that Reaper's handling of VSTi's - especially multi-output VSTi's - was both highly flexible and maddening. In Cubase, it's trivial to set up (say) Kontakt with a separate output for each channel. In Reaper, I found it took huge amounts of faffing. The flip side is that the Reaper approach allows tons more flexibility, so if you're a tweaker, this might be a positive! For me, though, it was all a bit complicated to get working.




Hello Hoopy,

I bought Reason 7, and I would really like to use it more. But no matter what I try, I can't get midi notes to stick/move to the right place when I quantise, I click the quantise button, but the notes just stay where they are, any ideas what this is?




Hi OneWorld,

That's a strange one - my cack-handed keyboard playing means that I quantise a lot, and I've never had a problem. The way I do it is to configure my quantisation settings in the floating tool window (F8 if you're on PC), and then select the sequencer clip containing the notes and press "Q" to quantise. Works fine...

One thing I'll say is that the forum on Propellerheads' website is very friendly, so you may get more informed advice there!

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Re: People who have moved from Cubase to Reaper (and anyone else with views on either DAW) - your thoughts please.... new [Re: Li-rocchi]
      #1073039 - 03/11/13 07:31 PM
Just seen this, and I love REAPER but however I am thinking of moving the other way to Cubase 7?

I love Reaper and its so flexible, BUT its lack of Area Selection lets it down in the traiditional sense. I am use to Soundforge and love it, however I am on a Mac and yes i have tried OSX SF and Parallels to run SF underneath.

But I would prefer a DAW whereby i can do area selection and precise editing (like Protools)

Does Cubase 7 actually allow you to add fx and process audio / area selection on the timeline instead of opening an editor?
I can't find a demo to try etc?

Thanks


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Re: People who have moved from Cubase to Reaper (and anyone else with views on either DAW) - your thoughts please.... new [Re: Pitchfork]
      #1073051 - 03/11/13 09:00 PM
Quote Pitchfork:

Just seen this, and I love REAPER but however I am thinking of moving the other way to Cubase 7?

I love Reaper and its so flexible, BUT its lack of Area Selection lets it down in the traiditional sense. I am use to Soundforge and love it, however I am on a Mac and yes i have tried OSX SF and Parallels to run SF underneath.

But I would prefer a DAW whereby i can do area selection and precise editing (like Protools)

Does Cubase 7 actually allow you to add fx and process audio / area selection on the timeline instead of opening an editor?
I can't find a demo to try etc?

Thanks




There's a demo of C7, but you need an e-licenser (Steinberg's USB dongle) to use it. The cut-down Cubase Elements 7 can be demoed without a dongle.

http://www.steinberg.net/en/products/cubase/trial.html

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Re: People who have moved from Cubase to Reaper (and anyone else with views on either DAW) - your thoughts please.... new [Re: Li-rocchi]
      #1073244 - 05/11/13 08:33 AM
I tried Cubase 7 but didn't like it.


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Re: People who have moved from Cubase to Reaper (and anyone else with views on either DAW) - your thoughts please.... new [Re: Li-rocchi]
      #1073330 - 05/11/13 08:18 PM
I'm thinking of jumping ship from Reaper to Cubase 7, mainly because of the bundled plugins but now I'm having second thoughts.

So in terms of the plug-ins offered is Cubase 7 superior in this regard?


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Re: People who have moved from Cubase to Reaper (and anyone else with views on either DAW) - your thoughts please.... new [Re: Imran500]
      #1073404 - 06/11/13 01:26 PM
Just had a look at the Cubase web page and it looks like you probably get a better selection of VSTi's included. Reaper comes with a basic synth and sample player but not much else as far as I know.

However, Steinberg are proudly trumpeting their 32 bit floating point mix engine...

Hmmm, as I understand it, 32 bits isn't really enough for audio work and Reaper uses 64 bits for its calculations. Is this a mess up by the marketing department I wonder?

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Re: People who have moved from Cubase to Reaper (and anyone else with views on either DAW) - your thoughts please.... new [Re: James Perrett]
      #1073414 - 06/11/13 03:04 PM
Quote James Perrett:

Just had a look at the Cubase web page and it looks like you probably get a better selection of VSTi's included. Reaper comes with a basic synth and sample player but not much else as far as I know.

However, Steinberg are proudly trumpeting their 32 bit floating point mix engine...

Hmmm, as I understand it, 32 bits isn't really enough for audio work and Reaper uses 64 bits for its calculations. Is this a mess up by the marketing department I wonder?



Careful, you are getting into audiophile territory here. The noise floor on a 32 bit system is already way below the limits of human hearing.

I'd be careful to choose a DAW which works for you in the most creative way. Specifications aren't that important anymore. Personally I don't use Cubase or Reaper because I make electronic music, and Ableton Live is streets ahead of any other DAW for what I need.


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Re: People who have moved from Cubase to Reaper (and anyone else with views on either DAW) - your thoughts please.... new [Re: johnny h]
      #1073417 - 06/11/13 04:00 PM
Quote johnny h:


Careful, you are getting into audiophile territory here. The noise floor on a 32 bit system is already way below the limits of human hearing.





I'm talking about internal intermediate calculations here - not the external interface where, as you say, 32 bits are more than enough. As I understand it, with the many repeated multiplications that are needed for some audio processes, you can start to reach the limits of 32 bit processing fairly easily so most modern systems use 64 bits internally. Even the old fixed point Protools had 56 bit internal registers.

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Re: People who have moved from Cubase to Reaper (and anyone else with views on either DAW) - your thoughts please.... new [Re: James Perrett]
      #1073437 - 06/11/13 05:53 PM
Quote James Perrett:

Quote johnny h:


Careful, you are getting into audiophile territory here. The noise floor on a 32 bit system is already way below the limits of human hearing.





I'm talking about internal intermediate calculations here - not the external interface where, as you say, 32 bits are more than enough. As I understand it, with the many repeated multiplications that are needed for some audio processes, you can start to reach the limits of 32 bit processing fairly easily so most modern systems use 64 bits internally. Even the old fixed point Protools had 56 bit internal registers.



What is your evidence for this? I've heard the argument before, but only with people who claim to have golden ears (despite never producing anything of note in the real world).

If its true then Logic's 24 bit mixing engine must be terrible. Worse than cassette.


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Re: People who have moved from Cubase to Reaper (and anyone else with views on either DAW) - your thoughts please.... new [Re: johnny h]
      #1073439 - 06/11/13 06:06 PM
Quote johnny h:

Quote James Perrett:

Quote johnny h:


Careful, you are getting into audiophile territory here. The noise floor on a 32 bit system is already way below the limits of human hearing.





I'm talking about internal intermediate calculations here - not the external interface where, as you say, 32 bits are more than enough. As I understand it, with the many repeated multiplications that are needed for some audio processes, you can start to reach the limits of 32 bit processing fairly easily so most modern systems use 64 bits internally. Even the old fixed point Protools had 56 bit internal registers.



What is your evidence for this? I've heard the argument before, but only with people who claim to have golden ears (despite never producing anything of note in the real world).

If its true then Logic's 24 bit mixing engine must be terrible. Worse than cassette.




I don't think cassettes came with any built in mixing engine, Johnny. You're confusing yourself. I'd get back to producing things of note in the real world, if I were you, and leave the technical discussions to the unproductive wannabe golden-ears losers.

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Re: People who have moved from Cubase to Reaper (and anyone else with views on either DAW) - your thoughts please.... new [Re: Richard Graham]
      #1073442 - 06/11/13 06:40 PM
Quote Richard Graham:


I don't think cassettes came with any built in mixing engine, Johnny. You're confusing yourself. I'd get back to producing things of note in the real world, if I were you, and leave the technical discussions to the unproductive wannabe golden-ears losers.



I said that it would sound worse than cassette, not that the process was the same. But anyway, great tunes have been made on cassette, like early Marshall Jefferson on Trax records.

Sorry, I'll get back to producing things of note in the real world


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Re: People who have moved from Cubase to Reaper (and anyone else with views on either DAW) - your thoughts please.... new [Re: Pitchfork]
      #1073444 - 06/11/13 06:59 PM
Quote Pitchfork:

Just seen this, and I love REAPER but however I am thinking of moving the other way to Cubase 7?

I love Reaper and its so flexible, BUT its lack of Area Selection lets it down in the traiditional sense.

But I would prefer a DAW whereby i can do area selection and precise editing (like Protools)

Does Cubase 7 actually allow you to add fx and process audio / area selection on the timeline instead of opening an editor?
I can't find a demo to try etc?

Thanks




Cubase has something called the Range Selection tool, which allows you to select an area of the timeline across one or more tracks. It's not the main way of editing audio, but allows you to cut, copy, paste, trim and so on. I've never found it as immediate as the editing approach in Pro Tools, though it can be useful on occasion.


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Re: People who have moved from Cubase to Reaper (and anyone else with views on either DAW) - your thoughts please.... new [Re: James Perrett]
      #1073448 - 06/11/13 07:44 PM
Quote James Perrett:

Just had a look at the Cubase web page and it looks like you probably get a better selection of VSTi's included. Reaper comes with a basic synth and sample player but not much else as far as I know.





I was thinking more along the lines of compressors, EQs, reverbs, Limiters, all the stock stuff you need. I'm assuming that you'd get a higher quality bundle of plugins with Cubase than you would with Reaper?


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Re: People who have moved from Cubase to Reaper (and anyone else with views on either DAW) - your thoughts please.... new [Re: Li-rocchi]
      #1073452 - 06/11/13 08:01 PM
I've been using Cubase since VST3.7, I think it was back then. During that time, I've had flirtations with Logic and Pro Tools and, several times, Reaper. The ace up Reaper's sleeve is the flexibility of routing. You can do some marvellous things with it, using audio envelopes to control any parameter and so on. But that's also its biggest problem for me: it takes so much damned configuration to tailor it to my needs! And it lacks both some of the functionality and, for me at any rate, the elegant simplicity of Cubase and PT... so I keep coming back to Cubase and PT. If you have plenty of time to spend learning how to make the most of Reaper and establishing a good workflow, then I suspect you'll find it a very good, powerful and speedy tool. It's certainly better value than C or PT. But I don't think it's as good - yet. Just an opinion...


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Re: People who have moved from Cubase to Reaper (and anyone else with views on either DAW) - your thoughts please.... new [Re: Imran500]
      #1073453 - 06/11/13 08:07 PM
Quote Imran500:

Quote James Perrett:

Just had a look at the Cubase web page and it looks like you probably get a better selection of VSTi's included. Reaper comes with a basic synth and sample player but not much else as far as I know.





I was thinking more along the lines of compressors, EQs, reverbs, Limiters, all the stock stuff you need. I'm assuming that you'd get a higher quality bundle of plugins with Cubase than you would with Reaper?




There's a bit more variety in C7 (lots of new amp and tape sims, modelled comps etc) than in previous versions. The quality of the new stuff, including the synths, is actually pretty good. The new Strip feature can be handy, as can the pchannel gain and HP and LP filters. But Reaper has a decent complement of bundled tools too. Then, many of those are available for free as standard VST plugins that you can use in Cubase too!


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Re: People who have moved from Cubase to Reaper (and anyone else with views on either DAW) - your thoughts please.... new [Re: Imran500]
      #1073524 - 07/11/13 12:29 PM
Quote Imran500:


I was thinking more along the lines of compressors, EQs, reverbs, Limiters, all the stock stuff you need. I'm assuming that you'd get a higher quality bundle of plugins with Cubase than you would with Reaper?




The quality of the ReaPlugs effects included with Reaper is very good - certainly good enough that people using other DAW's have persuaded Cockos to make them available separately. Reaper also has its own effects scripting system called JS and there are quite a few interesting user contributed effects which are included in the Reaper download. While I use the ReaPlugs effects for bread and butter eq and compression, I'll often try a JS effect when I want something a little different. Stillwell's JS Exciter plug-in is the only one I've seen that works as well as a real Aphex.

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Re: People who have moved from Cubase to Reaper (and anyone else with views on either DAW) - your thoughts please.... new [Re: Li-rocchi]
      #1074878 - 17/11/13 06:50 PM
I've playing around more with Reaper's own plugins and have to say they are actually really good - that said I'm going to demo Cubase 7 shortly, having to buy an e-licenser is truly crap however I realised I had an old one from years back (Cubase SL3!). Plugged it in, updated it and guess what the damn thing works! Go Steinberg


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Re: People who have moved from Cubase to Reaper (and anyone else with views on either DAW) - your thoughts please.... new [Re: Kev Adams]
      #1082839 - 11/01/14 05:56 PM
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I did miss Cubase at first simply because it was familiar. I even tried to use a Cubase styled theme, then realised that was delusional. I was able to take some time learning Reaper over a long summer spent in bed with a serious illness, as something to take my mind off things rather than under the pressure of having to learn it to move a project forward. I did it by rebuilding some old Cubase projects in Reaper.

At first i missed have a dedicated audio editor, then gradually began to perceive that the bulk of any audio editing can be done in the main Reaper screen.

Found the comping hard to get used to, possibly this was my biggest 'wish it worked like Cubase' feature, but I love it now.

For me, all positives, no negatives. Goodbye Steinberg. Oh, except for my Wavelab for final organisation of CDs. Reaper purports to do this, but I haven't had mmuch success wih that.




Just to resurrect this thread, I have been using Reaper for a few years and also love it!

I did use Acid Pro (now Ableton Live) - as I am Mac - but my contention is Reaper is so close to something I can't give up : Sound Forge.

On a Mac, I need to run SF under Parallels/XP ( i did try SF Mac but its not the same and hasn't been thought through!)

Anyway, If I could get Reaper to be my editor, I could stay in OS X and never touch Windows.

Reaper is great, but using SF for so many years, I love the area shading and processing. Reaper does this differently and creates new files (which can be cleaned and deleted if i remember!) instead of SF quick open edit and close.

I am pretty sure Reaper can do all this and more, as Acid is about dead (Reaper kills Acid) and my SF is very old.

As mentioned here, its biting the bullet and doing the simple things in Reaper and a new way of working which is the problem. I usually load up full song files in SF, do a volume edit and "save over" the top knowing i wont need the old version again. I've learnt to work like this

Reaper won't let you re-save over the top but adds a new file to the folder you are working in, and it won't let you rename/resave the same audio or resave as mp3 not in the same way as SF. I use Glue in Reaper which is almost like save/flatten but my New Years resolution is to make Reaper a 2014 SoundForge type editor as well as my DAW.

Here's hoping a new Reaper version or Reaper 5.0 will have area selection and better editing in the arrange window with Item fx like SF and Protools


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