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jaminem
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Windows 7 64 bit compatibility
      #785254 - 06/11/09 02:08 PM

Hi All.

I have recently installed W7 64bit on a partition next to my standard xp.
Was attracted to 64bit because even though I have 4GB of memory in my PC I can only see 2.59GB of it (probably due to my UAD1, UAD2 and Powercore cards)

My question is, that although Cubase, my MR816x and UAD's have 64bit drivers/versions and I have sent off for the beta 64bit driver for the powercore, the other software I use doesn't have spcific 64 versions written for them, will they work in a 64 bit operating system? will I need to use Jbridge?

Software I currently use...

BFD-2
Halion string edition
NI Pro - 53, B4 2, electrik/acoustik piano

BFD eats 1gb on its own, so its annoying they don`t do a 64bit one.

Any advice? the plan would be to put 2 x 2GB sticks in slots 1 & 2 to get 6GB total of which I would expect to see 4.5 GB in windows...

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markhodges



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Re: Windows 7 64 bit compatibility new [Re: jaminem]
      #785283 - 06/11/09 03:48 PM

You should see all 6 GB in windows. If not, you'll need to tweak a BIOS option somewhere to map the extra memory to an address above 4GB so that it doesn't clash with device IO addresses.

I believe you will need to use jbridge or similar to use 32 bit plugins in 64 bit cubase, but as I understand it each bridged plugin runs in a seperate process so even 32 bit ones will have more space to play with.


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Re: Windows 7 64 bit compatibility new [Re: markhodges]
      #785292 - 06/11/09 04:11 PM

Echoing what Mark said, you should be able to see, and use, all of the RAM installed on your machine with a 64-bit operating system. I don't use Cubase, but I would think there would be a bridge feature built in to the framework that would allow you to use 32-bit plugs with no problem. I could be wrong though, in which case you'd have to use jbridge or something similar.

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Re: Windows 7 64 bit compatibility new [Re: markhodges]
      #785320 - 06/11/09 05:31 PM

Hi thanks but are you saying that I should be able to use all of my 4GB of ram in 64bit now?

It can see its there but only says 2.69 GB usable... so I need a do something in the BIOS to make it see all of it yes?

if so what...

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Q6600,ASUS Commando, 4GB, 1 TB, MR816, UAD1&2, Poco, Cubase 5, BFD2, PAQ, Macbook


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Re: Windows 7 64 bit compatibility new [Re: jaminem]
      #785330 - 06/11/09 05:51 PM

Quote jaminem:

Hi thanks but are you saying that I should be able to use all of my 4GB of ram in 64bit now?

It can see its there but only says 2.69 GB usable... so I need a do something in the BIOS to make it see all of it yes?

if so what...




You should be able to SEE all of your RAM from the OS perspective, however your applications may or may not be able to make use of it all, depending on their code. This makes sense as you don't want one item taking all the resources aside from what the OS wants... Its the same in the 32 bit environment, only you get less to work with!

So once the world catches up with 64 bit life, we will see great improvements. Currently Cubase 5 64bit does not handle some 32bit plugs well (Synthedit based) and I've been reading that jbridge is the way to go. The cubase formum is a good place to watch that evolve or not! (cubase.net)

In the interim, if your board supports bigger RAM modules, go for it!

Cheers


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Re: Windows 7 64 bit compatibility new [Re: jaminem]
      #785353 - 06/11/09 06:53 PM

Quote jaminem:

Hi thanks but are you saying that I should be able to use all of my 4GB of ram in 64bit now?

It can see its there but only says 2.69 GB usable... so I need a do something in the BIOS to make it see all of it yes?

if so what...




It depends on the motherboard / BIOS. It was called something like "memory remapping" in the northbridge menu on my desktop, my laptop seems to do it automatically when I switch from 32 to 64 bit though.


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Re: Windows 7 64 bit compatibility new [Re: markhodges]
      #785375 - 06/11/09 08:56 PM

Upgarded BIOS windows 7 won`t boot now...EZ flash won`t let me load an older BIOS Doh!

Found memory remapping, that gives me 3GB in XP so its a start.

Startup repair is now trying to fix the partition 7 is on.

Jaminem is having another beer...

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Q6600,ASUS Commando, 4GB, 1 TB, MR816, UAD1&2, Poco, Cubase 5, BFD2, PAQ, Macbook


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Re: Windows 7 64 bit compatibility new [Re: jaminem]
      #785376 - 06/11/09 09:00 PM

The Beer helped, i needed ACPI enabled...

god knows why...

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Re: Windows 7 64 bit compatibility new [Re: jaminem]
      #785895 - 09/11/09 12:34 PM

Normally it's the other way round - alcohol makes things seem better when they're often worse in reality

Well done for bucking the trend


Martin

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Re: Windows 7 64 bit compatibility new [Re: Martin Walker]
      #785933 - 09/11/09 01:53 PM

The irony is, the day after I turned ACPI off again, and it sill works fine!!

In case anyone is interested I am at the following stage with my 64bit install

MR816x works about 90% with the legacy firewire driver (i.e. I get the odd dropout but seems fairly stable)
UAD works 100% fine
Cubase works fine, unless you give it a plugin it doesn`t like then it freezes
Halion String edition won`t play at all
NI Komplete classics work but they are sometimes a bit sluggish loading sample libraries
Still waiting for TC to send me the beta poco drivers
Win 7 boots quicker, and after the memory re-map recognises all 4GB of RAM
Am trying BFD2 next...

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Q6600,ASUS Commando, 4GB, 1 TB, MR816, UAD1&2, Poco, Cubase 5, BFD2, PAQ, Macbook


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