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I read here http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/229223/microsoft_windows_8_w ont_require_a_new_pc.html that Windows 8 will run just fine on existing computers, via the old-fashioned mouse/keyboard interfaces.

I wonder, though, if people think DAW computers will start to change to take advantage of the touch screen capability?

And I guess another question might be, do people think the DAW itself will change to take advantage of that?

Thanks for your thoughts. With Windows 8 not due out till October, and any hardware changes probably not for some time after that, and Cubase or other DAW software not right away either, it seems like it might be another year or so before a complete makeover of DAW/OS/Computer would be available.

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You probably won't see the major DAWs doing multi-touch for a while yet: that's a fairly major re-write to do, and there's enough to do for them playing catch up with 64-bit and multiple OS as it is. Will only really be worth it when there's a significant user base with the functionality available.

Wouldn't be surprised to see some of the App pioneers extending their product line to take advantage of multi-touch. Ditto DJ software.

But hey, what do I know? Maybe there'll be something bundled into Windows! It will certainly be interesting to see how things pan out eventually, though: the DAW, image editor, 3D packages and video NLEs are certainly prime candidates to take advantage of native multi-touch capability.

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I read here http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/229223/microsoft_windows_8_w ont_require_a_new_pc.html that Windows 8 will run just fine on existing computers, via the old-fashioned mouse/keyboard interfaces.

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Interesting. The Register quotes a Microsoft source as saying they don't think business will use it at all.

http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2012/06/07/win8_enterprise_yesno/

Since the desktop is (currently) relegated to being just one app in the Metro tile interface, I can't see anyone who uses a PC to do actual work embracing it. It looks fine for people who want to see lots of tiny bits of info at once (twitter posts, facebook posts, the weather, news headlines), browse the web, and send emails. For studio work, the Metro interface is useless, and you might as well stick with 7 (or even XP).

Having seen the demos I'm wary of the W8 interface. It looks worryingly similar to the Xbox 360 interface, for which I personally have no affection at all. That said, once it arrives you just accept it and move on though, don't you?

I'm sure that software vendors will begin to use any new capabilities with which they are presented, but it will take time and maybe it will need a few niche companies to show the potential before the larger vendors show their hand.

As to touch-screens - it took years of growling to stop people touching my screen and leaving finger smears all over it. Now they're building it into the OS!

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Since the desktop is (currently) relegated to being just one app in the Metro tile interface, I can't see anyone who uses a PC to do actual work embracing it. It looks fine for people who want to see lots of tiny bits of info at once (twitter posts, facebook posts, the weather, news headlines), browse the web, and send emails. For studio work, the Metro interface is useless, and you might as well stick with 7 (or even XP).

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I'm not sure that's exactly right - the desktop is not just an app that goes to sleep when you check your email. From the developers conference it was very clear that they're not messing with vanilla desktop computing - load photoshop you run photoshop, load cubase you run cubase - run them in different windows over a desktop - no problem. You can access it "like an app" but that's not what it is. The Metro side gives you access to a new way of working with lots of individual tasks which, after having a Windows phone for over a year, is elegant and a joy to use. I use my studio computer for everything and so it's actually really handy having a screen of notifications rather than having to switch between windows to check. If you want to "keep it real" with the desktop then all that's changing is that rather than double clicking an icon on your desktop to launch Cubase you're single clicking on a "live tile" (assuming you have no touch screen) and it runs Cubase over the desktop - i don't quite understand the drama.

Metro aside Windows 8 appears to have a lot less services running in the background which means more stuff will work well and at lower latency. So the important question is whether Windows 8 will either aid productivity or performance and from my point of view it's a big yes to both and that's before we even start talking about multi-touch, horizontal controller monitors or tablet wireless ipad-style control over your DAW.

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That said, once it arrives you just disable Metro and move on though, don't you?

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That said, once it arrives you just disable Metro and move on though, don't you?

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I read somewhere else that there won't be any radical difference behind the code between Win7 and Win8 except that it is more optimised for tablets and touch screen, so there will be no boot time/operating time speed improvements?

I've been playing with the demo release of Windows 8 for some time now. Something that looks and behaves very much like the Windows 7 desktop is not very far beneath the flashy "touch" interface. Graphic interfaces can generally be modified, and anyway make little difference once a productivity application is running. I've no information on what really matters - whether the underlying OS has changes that affect us and the programs we run. All publicity seems focussed on the "look and feel". Anyone got deeper information?

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Well i did i bit of dissecting after the developers conference and wrote it all up here:
http://www.raincomputers.co.uk/Windows-8-developer-preview-a/255.htmIf you skip down to the "Nitty Gritty" bit there's some interesting stuff on performance summarised by this image:


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If you skip down to the "Nitty Gritty" bit there's some interesting stuff on performance summarised by this image:

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If they can keep that up each generation we'll be running windows off a floppy again by Win 16

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https://www.steinberg.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=23579#p151388

Interesting observations in that post ^ about much higher values on DPC latency checker on Windows 8 compared with Windows 7, presumably apples to apples.

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Call me a cynic, but IMO its heading to be the biggest disaster since Vista !!

This whole iGeneration / lets make a desktop O.S look like a smart phone/tablet that are based on tactile touch screens when desk tops aren't is idiotic IMO.

If you can completely disable the Metro interface on the final release then I think it may be worth a look , but I seriously doubt it is going to have any performance improvement over Windows 7 for DAW use.

Personally I am hoping Microsoft have the brains to continue selling Win7 licenses along side Win8 , as they did with XP during the Vista disaster. If not, I can see a lot of stockpiling of Win7 licences before the pin is pulled.

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As a Windows programmer I can assure you that it will be a LONG time before any current DAW chooses to reimplement itself using the Windows 8 Metro UI.

Microsoft's Metro interface requires a complete rewrite of the DAW GUI because the Metro libraries are completely new: they are a UI layer completely reimplemented from the ground up. If you want to offer your app as a Metro program you have to write a lot of it all over again. Given that every DAW that currently runs on Windows 7 will run on Windows 8, what is the incentive to move to the Metro interface?

Microsoft's Metro marketing push is just Microsoft doing what it does every 5-10 years or so; it pushes a new technology as if it is the saviour of programmerkind and userkind, but the hype always belies reality. Look at its MASSIVE and protracted .NET campaign: after 10+ years the only .NET application Microsoft itself ships is Visual Studio 2010, it's programming environment. Are any DAWs, even non-mainstream ones, written for .NET? I doubt it.

Touchscreen DAWs are nothing new to those of us using GarageBand etc. on iPads. If anyone delivers a full-blown touchscreen DAW in the next 5 years, it will be Logic from Apple because that is in Apple's interests. If Windows-based tablets take off then you *might* see a Cubase or Reason or Live for Metro. But let's face it: you won't. They're going to appear on iPads first and probably only.

And I'm not even broaching the subject of DAW touchscreen operation in the round. I, for one, won't be operating ANY applications with my arm outstretched for minutes at a time. iPad apps: brilliant. Desktop apps: brilliant. Who says they have to be one and the same?

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Just a tiny point.

"Serious stoodio" people have big screens? Now you need to be a mtr and then some from a 32-46incher and therfore who has long enough arms!

I doubt that I shall ever bother with 8 unless forced to. I am not that keen on W7? Ok it IS more stable than XP but then I do not get many problems with that anyway.

W7 just bloody iritates me, for instance when I ask it to save something on the Desktop why is it never bloody there? WHY can't it minimize webstuff to the taskbar so I can read what it is? THERE and not have to open yet another box?

Dave.

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Personally I am hoping Microsoft have the brains to continue selling Win7 licenses along side Win8 , as they did with XP during the Vista disaster. If not, I can see a lot of stockpiling of Win7 licences before the pin is pulled.

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It's an even number release of windows. Let me look at the last couple of evens:

Windows 6 - Vista

Windows 4 - M.E.

You'll have to fight me for that stock pile Vin...

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W7 just bloody iritates me, for instance when I ask it to save something on the Desktop why is it never bloody there?

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My desktop would dictate that not everyone has that issue! Donno what's going on there, but it's not a standard issue.

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This just blows my mind:

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And I'm not even broaching the subject of DAW touchscreen operation in the round. I, for one, won't be operating ANY applications with my arm outstretched for minutes at a time. iPad apps: brilliant. Desktop apps: brilliant. Who says they have to be one and the same?

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Why oh why are we stuck with the Tom Cruise Minority Report concept of touch screen technology? I hear this "it'll make my arms ache" comment all the time and i may be being really thick but why would anyone put a touch screen vertically out of reach? You'd put it in front of you, on the desktop, at an ergonomic angle. Your main screen would remain your main screen in it's usual place doing its usual thing, you'd use another screen with touch controls to do all the stuff you need. So cubase would open with your project on the main screen and the mixer on the touch screen. The ipad already has an app that allows you to use the Metro interface controlling your Windows 8 install - http://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/id514878988?affId=1774634
You could easily have a tablet running with your desktop doing the touch side of things - even simpler you could use a 10" dumb touch screen connected and have it sit under your screen or next to your mouse?

Come on, be a bit creative, just because we're sensitive musicians we don't have to be miserable all the time

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Where i can see the touch screen being employed is as a virtual mixing desk, have 2 displays, one with the usual display and the other laid flat with a mixing desk displayed? Not as tactile as a proper desk but convenient for layout and access?

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Where i can see the touch screen being employed is as a virtual mixing desk, have 2 displays, one with the usual display and the other laid flat with a mixing desk displayed? Not as tactile as a proper desk but convenient for layout and access?

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....You could easily have a tablet running with your desktop doing the touch side of things - even simpler you could use a 10" dumb touch screen connected and have it sit under your screen or next to your mouse?

Come on, be a bit creative, just because we're sensitive musicians we don't have to be miserable all the time

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I don't think anyone here has said anything about Metro not being good for a smaller tactile surfaced interface like a tablet , the views expressed are about it being enforced as a main UI for the primary DAW. So because some of us have some reservation about Metro it means we are being miserable, or is it more so that we are being realistic ?

I am happy that you are sooo enthusiastic, but forgive me if I maintain my reservation until qualified and quantified comparative performance data is at least in. From memory you also showed an overly extended level of enthusiasm for Vista , how did that turn out for ya.. ?

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Now we are talking....., and no Metro required.



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O.K,

Now we are talking....., and no Metro required.



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Blimey - that seems just the job!

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I don't think anyone here has said anything about Metro not being good for a smaller tactile surfaced interface like a tablet , the views expressed are about it being enforced as a main UI for the primary DAW. So because some of us have some reservation about Metro it means we are being miserable, or is it more so that we are being realistic ?

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No, it's just your reservations are largely unfounded - nothing is being forced on you. There's no difference between double clicking an icon on your desktop and tapping a live tile in terms of productivity - the Metro acts a a program launcher, like the start menu or desktop - it means you no harm. Whereas if you use your computer for more than one application then Metro has this marvellous way of presenting information about multiple apps that you might or might not want to view. It has nothing to do with running a DAW so please forgive me if i can't grasp the reservations. If you want to run a desktop program then Metro is irrelevant - now if you want to have reservations about performance in general then that's a lot more interesting (to me at least).

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I am happy that you are sooo enthusiastic, but forgive me if I maintain my reservation until qualified and quantified comparative performance data is at least in.

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From memory you also showed an overly extended level of enthusiasm for Vista , how did that turn out for ya.. ?

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First time I've seen a touch free device that actually looks like it can do the job - and at a very nice price point. They'll need to get that Linux support sorted though before I'll be able to use it.

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And going back to the original question? Will Win8 mean that DAWs change drastically, well, did they ever? eg Win3.1 => 95 => 98 => Millenium => XP/2000 => Vista => Win7

I suppose the Win2000/XP saw the most radical change though just as much due to hardware and software working in together in a more stable manner and with the introduction of seamless task switching. On the whole the changes are evolutionary rather than revolutionary.

What exactly is a 'drastic change' I wonder what is expected by that?

Hi OneWorld!

OP here:

"Drastic" - wondering about "change significant enough that one would best hold off on electively buying a pre-built music computer until hardware (human interfaces, drivers for audio interfaces, etc.) and software (DAW, plug-ins, etc.) have 'caught up'".

Seems like the consensus of the wise ones is that evolution rather than revo-lution is the more likely course, with no problem purchasing whatever whenever.

Or did I just read into these posts what I wanted to?

Thanks!

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No, it's just your reservations are largely unfounded - nothing is being forced on you....

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Unfounded eh !

In the previous Consumer preview , the option to disable Metro was removed , that seems to indicate that Metro is being imposed on us !

Performance wise is my only focus , if Win8 under bonnet does not deliver anything over Win7 , then its a wash , Metro or no Metro !

If anything your enthusiasm that Win8 will be some major paradigm shift for how we will be interacting in our DAW environments is largely unfounded , and that anyone who isn't embracing your vision is miserable or stuck in a rut in some way !

You second comment is correct, if you want to run a desktop application , in this case a DAW, Metro is irrelevant , so in that respect, so is Win8 !

Let me just check where we are again, hmmmmmmm, O.K, lets move on.

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Hi OneWorld!

OP here:

"Drastic" - wondering about "change significant enough that one would best hold off on electively buying a pre-built music computer until hardware (human interfaces, drivers for audio interfaces, etc.) and software (DAW, plug-ins, etc.) have 'caught up'".

Seems like the consensus of the wise ones is that evolution rather than revo-lution is the more likely course, with no problem purchasing whatever whenever.

Or did I just read into these posts what I wanted to?

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I suppose that's the difference between e-volve and re-volve. To a certain extent we are forced to get sucked into the upgrade void. I am happy enough with Cubase 5, but want to upgrade other software such as soft sampler, already have old versions of Halion and Kontakt but want to use just one - and it makes sense to go 64bit, alpong with wanting to upgrade Reason 5 to 6. All of these demand Win7, when I have a perfectly stable and fast XP system.

I can't see any drastic changes, there if I was such a gifted visionary I wouldn't be posing the question what drastic changes might there be.

What I would like to see is a computer that is much more like a hard disk recorder, that boots in an instant, doesn't need upgrades/updates every other day, but is still a computer with a hardware interface/mixer.

That came quite close with the Yamaha 01X, it seems, but in common with many manufacturers, they sell us something that is future proof, then make it obsolete after a few years. I liked the idea of the TASCAM SX1, Audio/MIDI, HDD, Mixer all in one. If that had the ability to work with VSTs I would go out an buy one if they still made them, they have the X48, but no MIDI.

There seems to have been a few hybrids that were essentially PCs with a custom interface, but still shackled to a consumer general purpose OS. Could Win8 ever be an OS that would allow developers to strip out every single thing that did not apply to music/video making and would work like my old Mackie HDR24 - turn it on, and within seconds it was up and runing, and that was based on an ancient 386 motherboard if I remember rightly.

I did set my PC so that Cubase loaded on bootup, but as I use Reason with Rewire, that got cludged up. If I could write a script that loaded Cubase, waited a while till all the plugins and rewire were running then went onto opening Reason, that would make me a little bit of a revolutionary would it :-)

Are you thinking of "emmbeded sytems" One?

I had an experience of these inside the "fruit machines" in betting shops (the faulty CRT machines all fetched up in a huge warehouse on an IE outside Rugby. I fixed them as a "temp" for a few weeks. Bloody good money!)

XP sort of, was on a chip on the MOBO and was sparked into life from a CD, no hard drive. I did not have anything to do with the digitals, just fixed the CRT telly bit.

Dave.

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But isn't that like disabling the Start Menu? Why would you want to do that, it's not in the way of anything and you can type whatever you want to run and it appears without having to refer back to Metro if you don't want to. But you obviously don't like it - and that's fine

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Mine too, but also productivity by which i mean how well it enables me to work. As i mentioned earlier Windows 8 does indeed appear to be a better performer in terms of background tasks and in my own small amount of testing it was at least matching Windows 7 and that was 9 months ago

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It is unfounded, but i haven't really said that. If you want to run Cubase on a desktop then it's all very similar, but i am excited about the potential of multi-touch, of tablet integration and the general evolution of how we use computers. All i'm saying is that there's a lot of interesting stuff in Win8 - it's like the release of Windows 95 all over again - and i think that's cool. Everyone else is just a small minded dinosaur with spots, bad hair and no imagination - come on mate i'm just teasing

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Excuse me for being a bit of a Luddite, but I am a little concerned that all these extra productivity 'enhancements' have a cost. The cost being processor power. Id rather that the bits I'm flipping were making nice sounds rather than animating a fantastically realistic rotating knob.

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But isn't that like disabling the Start Menu?

Why would you want to do that, it's not in the way of anything and you can type whatever you want to run and it appears without having to refer back to Metro if you don't want to. But you obviously don't like it - and that's fine

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I don't follow Mate.

Disabling Metro simply restores Windows 8 GUI back to the same as Windows 7 , you don't loose the start menu .

I have an applet to totally disable Metro but M.S blocked it on the last preview , I haven't tested it on the current. I am in no hurry to either.. :-)

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There is definitely a lot of interesting stuff in Win8, no denying that but its the whole lets throw the baby out with the bath water approach that I believe will be the undoing. You do not need Metro to take advantage of tactile surfaces in the studio, for example. I still personally believe it will be Microsoft's Vista II , lets see where the dust settles.

FWIW: I was a huge fan of Ubuntu 10.x and ran it on a few notebooks around the house for quite a while , it was super slick, modern and customisable to my own personal preference. Great combo of Windows navigation that I was used to with a GUI that combined the minimalism of OSX with the added advantage of customising it visually to suit your own taste instead of someone at Cupertino.. :-)

Then came Ubuntu 11.x with a new Unity GUI - lets gear it to the iGeneration / make it feel more like a tablet/smart phone. I hated it, as did a huge number of core Ubuntu users who did not want it imposed on them, even tho you could select to bypass it on boot. Users left in droves to other distro's , I stayed on 10.10 , so that makes us dinosaurs..., hmmm, maybe, the lesson is that you cannot enforce such a radical change and not expect opposition.

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I see it differently - Vista was unpolished - it was noisy and busy. My only point is that it wasn't a turd for me - I ran it very successfully for a couple of years, built systems upon it and correctly tamed it worked very well. Windows 7 brought the much needed polish and elegance it was missing.

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LOL, you can defend it all you like Mate, the simple fact was that the whole time Vista was live , there was a better alternative for DAW's with XP/XP x64. From Vistas release you very publicly promoted it as better than XP , which proved misguided at best - and thats being polite. I on the other hand called it very early on, and never shipped systems with it, never, and have not regretted that decision one iota.

We will find our own truth, as always.. :-)

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Disabling Metro simply restores Windows 8 GUI back to the same as Windows 7 , you don't loose the start menu .

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In the preview version of Windows 8 I have, you can get to something that looks very like the Desktop, but there's no Start Menu. Are you basing your opinions on an earlier version?

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In the preview version of Windows 8 I have, you can get to something that looks very like the Desktop, but there's no Start Menu. Are you basing your opinions on an earlier version?

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In the Developer Preview you could completely disable Metro and return to the standard Win 7 GUI /Desktop/Start Menu.

M.S removed that option in the Consumer Preview to enforce the Metro interface. I have been told its been re-enabled in the latest Customer Preview , but I am yet to confirm.

Utility is available : Here

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In the Developer Preview you could completely disable Metro and return to the standard Win 7 GUI /Desktop/Start Menu.

M.S removed that option in the Consumer Preview to enforce the Metro interface. I have been told its been re-enabled in the latest Customer Preview , but I am yet to confirm.

Utility is available : Here

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Hah! Is that a first? That there is a hack for an MSoft OS before it even gets commercially released!

Dave.

DPC latency is very bad on windows 8

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At the risk of sounding like an IT equalivent of the "Four Yorkshire Men" sketch....

2 EP's and a stack of remixes on Windows M.E.

Where's my prize?

TL;DR Too lazy to finish an album.

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