Hi all

From what I've read, the ideal speed for burning Cds depends on the drive and the media.

Well.... I have two Pioneer drives; a DVR-215 and a DVR-216. And I tend to use Verbatim "Extra Protection" CD-rs. Theses fellas:

http://www.dixons.co.uk/gbuk/verbatim-52x-speed-cd-r-blank-cds-pack-of-100 -00776175-pdt.html


How can I now find out what the best speed would be to burn at?

As an aside, what is the general opinion on these CD-rs among the folk here?

Cheers

Max

Edited by Li-rocchi (19/06/12 11:39 PM)

As slow as possible! The's normally a optimum speed too depending upon media and drive but if in doubt slow it the hell down and most people will advocate X2 at most for the best quality burn.

Try asking over at http://club.myce.com/ which is the current name for what used to be cdfreaks the optical and media review and news site.

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Taiyo Yuden/JVC (they're the same company) still seem to be the most widely recommended in the mastering community. Make sure you get the best grade as there seem to be some lower grade JVC discs around. Verbatim are a bit of a lottery - they certainly know how to make good discs but they also make some pretty poor discs too.

The best burn speed is the one that gives you the lowest error rate - I'm currently using 8X in some drives and 16X in others because I want the burn speed to be constant across the whole disc surface and anything higher than 16X will mean that the disc is burned more slowly at the start than at the end. Having said that, for casual use, on my system the error rates stay fairly small right up to 40X with T-Y/JVC discs.

See if Erik Deppe's Opti Drive Control software will work with your drives as that's probably the best error checking software at the moment.

James.

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Quote Pete Kaine:

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As slow as possible! The's normally a optimum speed too depending upon media and drive but if in doubt slow it the hell down and most people will advocate X2 at most for the best quality burn.

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Interesting you should say that. I've been reading up on it a bit and a lot of people warn against slow burns, saying that the advice to burn slow is now out of date and that 1x/2x can actually cause more errors than faster speeds....

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Try asking over at http://club.myce.com/ which is the current name for what used to be cdfreaks the optical and media review and news site.

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I'll check that place out. Cheers for the tip....

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Taiyo Yuden/JVC (they're the same company) still seem to be the most widely recommended in the mastering community.

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Yes, their name seems to crop up all over the place.

As an aside, would you recommend these for basic burning of CDs? I tend to burn my originals for use in the car, etc. WOuld TYs still be best for that? Or is it more that they are good for masters and use in the studio, whereas a direct CD copy is less fussy (and Verbatims would therefore be fine)?

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See if Erik Deppe's Opti Drive Control software will work with your drives as that's probably the best error checking software at the moment.

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I'll check that out, many thanks. I'll also report back with results in a few days time...


Cheers guys

Max

Quote Li-rocchi:

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Interesting you should say that. I've been reading up on it a bit and a lot of people warn against slow burns, saying that the advice to burn slow is now out of date and that 1x/2x can actually cause more errors than faster speeds....

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Probably quite true then as I haven't spent much time with optical media in the last couple of years. Just makes sense that the slower you spin it, the longer the laser gets to write and the less errors you get. Of course if the manufactoring process has managed to optimize the disks now so they write better faster then fair play and my knowledge is now out of date!

But yeah, I've always been impressed by the knowledge over at cdf/myce so hopefully the group concencious over there will stear you in the right direction.

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With the Plextor Premium drive /T-Y disc combination I find that 2X or 4X gives more errors than 8-16X.

I use T-Y for everything now. You never know when that rough mix or demo disc might turn out to be the only copy of something valuable.

James.

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http://www.jrpmusic.net

Quote Li-rocchi:

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Interesting you should say that. I've been reading up on it a bit and a lot of people warn against slow burns, saying that the advice to burn slow is now out of date and that 1x/2x can actually cause more errors than faster speeds....

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This can be the case if you try to use discs optimised for high speed burning (as the vast majority now are) in a burner running at slow speed.

I generally use HHB discs as I find their quality very consistent and reliable, the print surfaces work well, and they are available optimised for either slow of fast burning (1-12x or 12-52x). Mostly T-Y sourced discs too.

Hugh

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