alexis
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How does one loop a vocal bit without the "click" of a bad snip?
#1026017 - 27/12/12 08:14 PM
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Hello - I would like to loop one vocal note out of a phrase to run through the
voxengo eq analyzer to see if/where there might be an unwanted resonance peak. I have been cutting/looping at zero crossings, but nevertheless there is a click as it
loops around. What is the obvious (except to me  ) next
step, or is it not really that simple a process? Thank you for any help!
-------------------- Alexis -Cubase 6.5.0/SX3.1.1.944, XP SP2, 4GB RAM (1GB not accessible, but used just to balance the computer so it doesn't tip over); Delta 66 in Omni i/O Studio; Motif8; UAD-1
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Jack Ruston
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Re: How does one loop a vocal bit without the "click" of a bad snip?
[Re: alexis]
#1026020 - 27/12/12 08:35 PM
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Um...well the way to deal with it in the context of a sequence would be to crossfade, but
obviously if you're looping it, and you want it to be 'clean' it's a bit more
complicated...I would: Cut the section at zero points as you have done. Copy and paste it
twice so that you have three in a row. Crossfade between the three using identical
crossfade length and position. Then try looping the middle one only, with the loop points
at the centre of the crossfades. J
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ken long
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Re: How does one loop a vocal bit without the "click" of a bad snip?
[Re: alexis]
#1026023 - 27/12/12 09:32 PM
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change the loop points. Loop at the zero crossings. zoom in/expand view to make sure
this is happening.
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Matt Houghton
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Re: How does one loop a vocal bit without the "click" of a bad snip?
[Re: ken long]
#1026026 - 27/12/12 10:14 PM
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Hi Alexis,
There's an option within Cubase to snap edits to zero crossings. You
should have that enabled.
When looping, you can't always guarantee that a zero
crossing will fall at a convenient point, so another approach (like we used to have to
do...) is to zoom right in on the loop start and end points and drag the fades marker in a
tiny bit. That gets rid of any clicks. Then you loop that. Alternatively you can take
several clips and *slightly* overlap them, then crossfade to get a smooth transition.
Matt
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alexis
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Re: How does one loop a vocal bit without the "click" of a bad snip?
[Re: alexis]
#1026054 - 28/12/12 03:48 AM
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Thank you, Jack Ruston, Ken Long, and Matt Houghton!
I'll try the multiple
clips overlapped and x-faded at zero crossing points. I have a few hours before leaving
for the week, I hope I get to try this before. Packing - overrated, and for the weak!
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Alexis -Cubase 6.5.0/SX3.1.1.944, XP SP2, 4GB RAM (1GB not accessible, but used just to balance the computer so it doesn't tip over); Delta 66 in Omni i/O Studio; Motif8; UAD-1
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The Elf
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Re: How does one loop a vocal bit without the "click" of a bad snip?
[Re: Matt Houghton]
#1026077 - 28/12/12 11:28 AM
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I've never found a zero crossing point a guarantee of no click. I suppose it depends on
the source material.
TBH it sounds a bit over-kill trying to EQ a single note
anyway. If there's a resonance on one specific note then you should still be able to find
it while looping around a short (1-5 seconds?) phrase.
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alexis
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Re: How does one loop a vocal bit without the "click" of a bad snip?
[Re: alexis]
#1026110 - 28/12/12 05:33 PM
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Well, at least from the point of view of the return on my time investment thus far, you
are correct! But, it has helped me become more comfortable w/ the sample editor, so at
least there's that.
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Alexis -Cubase 6.5.0/SX3.1.1.944, XP SP2, 4GB RAM (1GB not accessible, but used just to balance the computer so it doesn't tip over); Delta 66 in Omni i/O Studio; Motif8; UAD-1
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Folderol
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Re: How does one loop a vocal bit without the "click" of a bad snip?
[Re: alexis]
#1026132 - 28/12/12 07:06 PM
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For a zero crossing point to be click-free not only must the apparent phase be right (not
much use if it's going positive and you join it to something going negative) but it must
also contain no other non-harmonic content, as these could be swapping phase all over the
place while still leaving the overall waveform appearing to be right. Still, as
the O/P discovered this is never wasted effort 
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