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tomas
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Little MicroShift - a free plug-in
      #1038481 - 16/03/13 12:45 PM
Get your free Little MicroShift Plug-in:

https://www.soundtoys.com/sxsw2013/&rc=403-1029-017

iLok dongle required.

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Re: Little MicroShift - a free plug-in new [Re: tomas]
      #1038485 - 16/03/13 01:09 PM
Quote tomas:

iLok dongle required.





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Re: Little MicroShift - a free plug-in new [Re: The Elf]
      #1038515 - 16/03/13 05:40 PM
Well, I thought it would be fair to point out...

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Re: Little MicroShift - a free plug-in new [Re: tomas]
      #1038589 - 17/03/13 12:58 PM
soooo how much is a 20 cent ice cream cone?


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Re: Little MicroShift - a free plug-in new [Re: The Elf]
      #1038685 - 18/03/13 10:40 AM
Quote The Elf:

Quote tomas:

iLok dongle required.








Same here


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Re: Little MicroShift - a free plug-in new [Re: OneWorld]
      #1038698 - 18/03/13 12:08 PM
Why the moaning about iLok? I mean, this thing is FREE if you have an iLok, which is the same registration/authorisation stuff they use for all their plug-ins. No-one's forcing you to have it and there are free alternatives if you want to avoid iLok.


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Re: Little MicroShift - a free plug-in new [Re: Mixedup]
      #1038700 - 18/03/13 12:49 PM
Quote Mixedup:

Why the moaning about iLok? I mean, this thing is FREE if you have an iLok



...but if you don't have an iLok and just want to demo the thing you can't. That seems crazy to me. Why would anyone buy an iLok to try a demo they may not end up wanting?

What's the point in doing that and closing off a huge chunk of your potential market?

And I speak as one who actually DOES have an iLok!

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Re: Little MicroShift - a free plug-in new [Re: tomas]
      #1038726 - 18/03/13 03:32 PM
Plenty to moan at in life if you want, this is not one of those things.

Thanks, the Mrs will like that !


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Re: Little MicroShift - a free plug-in new [Re: tomas]
      #1038798 - 19/03/13 03:57 AM
Everyone who has an iLok should admit companies with iLok including ahem...Pro Tools, have not been the most forward thinking and generous.


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Re: Little MicroShift - a free plug-in new [Re: The Elf]
      #1038804 - 19/03/13 06:15 AM
"What's the point in doing that and closing off a huge chunk of your potential market?"

Stupid I agree. I had an email from Steinberg a day or so ago offering a "FREE!!" 30 day trial of Cubase 7. Was it really I wondered? I knew Steinies wanted a dongle some months ago for the trial, had they seen sense? Don't be daft Dave! STILL want a dongle when you get to the small print...Orta be a LAW!

I can download trials of Sam Pro x, Sonar/Cakewalk, ALL the Sony stuff, why not Cubase7?

BTW I have a dongle for Cubase LE6, bet it won't work for the 7 trial?

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Re: Little MicroShift - a free plug-in new [Re: tomas]
      #1038812 - 19/03/13 08:29 AM
On my laptop, I have two USB slots and a Firewire socket. So if I used Cubase (Synchrosoft USB dongle) and SoundToys (iLok USB dongle), then where would I plug the control surface, the keyboard, and so on ?

And in case anyone thinks iLok prevents piracy, I suggest a quick Google search.

Yet one more time for the thickies in the marketing department:

The only people inconvenienced by dongles are legitimate customers ... because people who use 'appz' are using software that has been modified to avoid them.

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Re: Little MicroShift - a free plug-in new [Re: SecretSam]
      #1038815 - 19/03/13 08:50 AM
Quote SecretSam:


Yet one more time for the thickies in the marketing department:

The only people inconvenienced by dongles are legitimate customers ... because people who use 'appz' are using software that has been modified to avoid them.




Totally true. Crackers have already found a way to bypass ILok keys to an extent where it's actually easier to crack an ILok than it is to just have a normal serial.


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Re: Little MicroShift - a free plug-in new [Re: SecretSam]
      #1038823 - 19/03/13 09:55 AM
Quote SecretSam:

On my laptop, I have two USB slots and a Firewire socket. So if I used Cubase (Synchrosoft USB dongle) and SoundToys (iLok USB dongle), then where would I plug the control surface, the keyboard, and so on ?




Can't one simply use a USB hub for such?


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Re: Little MicroShift - a free plug-in new [Re: SafeandSound Mastering]
      #1038824 - 19/03/13 10:04 AM
Quote SafeandSound Mastering:

Plenty to moan at in life if you want, this is not one of those things.





Totally disagree here...

Why should a company expect me to buy an iLok in order to run something they're giving away? I'm still a little old school and feel that if a company wants you to use a dongle they should supply the dongle with the software. I rarely use any software that requires anything more than a serial number.

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Re: Little MicroShift - a free plug-in new [Re: James Perrett]
      #1038831 - 19/03/13 10:35 AM
I'm super new school and I think iLok is old school lol.


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Re: Little MicroShift - a free plug-in new [Re: James Perrett]
      #1038849 - 19/03/13 12:07 PM
Quote James Perrett:

Quote SafeandSound Mastering:

Plenty to moan at in life if you want, this is not one of those things.





Totally disagree here...

Why should a company expect me to buy an iLok in order to run something they're giving away? I'm still a little old school and feel that if a company wants you to use a dongle they should supply the dongle with the software. I rarely use any software that requires anything more than a serial number.




They don't expect you to do anything though. The offer is there to those who have the required hardware; if you don't have it then that is unfortunate for you.

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Re: Little MicroShift - a free plug-in new [Re: tomas]
      #1038850 - 19/03/13 12:11 PM
My grumble is not that they require an iLok for a freebie (but on reflection: why on earth would you need to copy protect something you give away for free ?).

My grumble is that they require an iLok for their paying customers.

And the suggestion that I carry a USB hub as well as a dongle .... is not well received ;-)

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Re: Little MicroShift - a free plug-in new [Re: tomas]
      #1038852 - 19/03/13 12:25 PM
It is only free for a limited time.

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Re: Little MicroShift - a free plug-in new [Re: tomas]
      #1038860 - 19/03/13 01:26 PM
Well I've just redeemed one of the supplied codes, got my free copy of Little MicroShift, but before I can use it I have to download its iLok key @ ilok.com, and guess what?

Despite working fine with all the plug-ins that need it, my iLok isn't recognised by iLok.com (as usual!) so I'll have to do a search on the SOS Forum to find the long thread of iLok problems to remember how I finally got it to work last time I updated the darned thing.

I think I had to change browser in the end to even get it recognised - wish me luck!


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Re: Little MicroShift - a free plug-in new [Re: tomas]
      #1038861 - 19/03/13 01:29 PM
Quote Martin Walker:

I'll have to do a search on the SOS Forum to find the long thread of iLok problems to remember how I finally got it to work last time I updated the darned thing.





Ah, here we go, and guess what again?

The thread in question was started up a year ago by someone with a Soundtoys iLok problem

www.soundonsound.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=976038

And the solution - I now have to download and run a legacy version Firefox 3.6 to before I log onto the iLok web site


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Re: Little MicroShift - a free plug-in new [Re: tomas]
      #1038862 - 19/03/13 01:33 PM
Look, we have iLok because as a community we have stolen software to such an extent that manufacturers have taken steps to protect their product. That's down to us, not down to them.

Sound Toys are giving away a free plug in. Why should they go to any effort to change the way they distribute their products for people who don't have iLok? If you'd like to use it, buy an iLok. It's certainly worth the spend just to get a free SoundToys plug in.

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Re: Little MicroShift - a free plug-in new [Re: Jack Ruston]
      #1038864 - 19/03/13 01:41 PM
Quote Jack Ruston:

Look, we have iLok because as a community we have stolen software to such an extent that manufacturers have taken steps to protect their product. That's down to us, not down to them.

Sound Toys are giving away a free plug in. Why should they go to any effort to change the way they distribute their products for people who don't have iLok? If you'd like to use it, buy an iLok. It's certainly worth the spend just to get a free SoundToys plug in.




Then as with Steinberg and Cubase 7. Don't say it is free!

This is almost as bad as those computer "free test and repair sites" where you spend an hour downloading and running the software only to find it is NOT free to fix things!

Err? Hang on a cotton pickin! If it is "free" why does it need protecting?

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Re: Little MicroShift - a free plug-in new [Re: Jack Ruston]
      #1038865 - 19/03/13 01:43 PM
Don't get me wrong Jack - I'm prepared to go through all this to get my free Soundtoys plug-in as I love them so much.

I've now got the Little MicroShift up and running, and as expected it sounds gorgeous

And I don't even mind the iLok - it's just the archaic compatibility problems involved when you need to update its licenses that wind me up. My head's still reeling from having to temporarily downgrade from Firefox 19 to Firefox 3.6 just to get the license into my iLok


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Re: Little MicroShift - a free plug-in new [Re: tomas]
      #1038866 - 19/03/13 01:51 PM
It is free. To say it isn't is like saying 'Well I had to buy a computer to use it, what a con!'

SoundToys software works via iLok. Why should they go to the effort of changing the method of authorisation and delivery. That just makes work for them if they then want to start charging for that software.

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Re: Little MicroShift - a free plug-in new [Re: tomas]
      #1038868 - 19/03/13 02:03 PM
No, it isn't like saying that.

It is like saying: why should I bother to use software from a bunch of bozos who make it difficult for me to use it ?

So I won't.

Oh, look: lots of other software out there.

I have heard the SoundToys plugs, by the way, and they sound great. If they sold them one at a time instead of in a 500 quid bundle, and if they didn't need a dongle, then I would buy a few.

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Re: Little MicroShift - a free plug-in new [Re: James Perrett]
      #1038870 - 19/03/13 02:05 PM
Quote James Perrett:

Why should a company expect me to buy an iLok in order to run something they're giving away? I'm still a little old school and feel that if a company wants you to use a dongle they should supply the dongle with the software. I rarely use any software that requires anything more than a serial number.




Me too. I've avoided anything which needs iLok having read about all the problems people have had. I had (still have, in a sense) a copy of an older version of Autotune, but can't run it on Vista, and despite the fact that I could have upgraded for a reasonable price it would have required me to buy and wrestle with an iLok key. No way- and so Antares have lost my custom.
My Syncrosoft Dongle has been pretty trouble free, I have to say, but I hated having to keep switching that between PC and laptop, which was one reason for moving from Cubase to Reaper. Still need it for Wavelab on the PC but...

If I see the dread word iLok in any promotional or review literature I pass.

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Re: Little MicroShift - a free plug-in new [Re: tomas]
      #1038874 - 19/03/13 02:11 PM
They do offer the plug ins individually and they always have.

I'm afraid it's totally beyond me how people can complain about iLok. It's an inexpensive system attempting to protect manufacturers from theft. Theft that our community sees as an acceptable way of operating. Now a company have delivered an iLok protected product for free for a time limited period and people are complaining.

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Re: Little MicroShift - a free plug-in new [Re: Jack Ruston]
      #1038879 - 19/03/13 02:44 PM
Quote Jack Ruston:



I'm afraid it's totally beyond me how people can complain about iLok. It's an inexpensive system attempting to protect manufacturers from theft. Theft that our community sees as an acceptable way of operating.




A product that uses iLok tells me that it is aimed at the sort of market that I don't want to be in. I'm much happier to deal with software companies that are prepared to trust their customers. I don't buy a huge amount of software these days but I would much rather give my money to the likes of Cockos or Runaway (AATranslator) than people like Steinberg or Soundtoys who treat their customers as their enemies.

It may also be worth saying that I buy quite a lot of software for other purposes and the use of dongles is virtually unknown outside music software. Yes, there are other licensing systems that we sometimes have to use but not dongles.

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Re: Little MicroShift - a free plug-in new [Re: Jack Ruston]
      #1038881 - 19/03/13 03:14 PM
Thanks Jack - I take that back about the bundle. Individual plugs. So now all they have to do for me is get rid of the iLok, and I'll buy one every payday :-)

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Re: Little MicroShift - a free plug-in new [Re: SecretSam]
      #1038885 - 19/03/13 03:33 PM
Quote SecretSam:

And the suggestion that I carry a USB hub as well as a dongle .... is not well received ;-)




Receive it as you like. I was hardly defending or justifying or even commenting at all on dongle protection, merely asking whether a USB hub would not overcome a shortage of USB ports.

Picked up a Korg Nano set a while ago, consisting of all 3 controllers, and it thoughtfully included a USB hub. Not a dongle in sight.


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Re: Little MicroShift - a free plug-in new [Re: Goddard]
      #1038889 - 19/03/13 03:55 PM
There's one thing I really love about iLoks, though. When you have to re-install your OS it's a PITA to re-install endless amounts of license codes, each with its own PITA system of doing so. That takes forever. Whereas with all the iLok-protected software that is all avoided. Much quicker and easier.

Presuming, of course, that you don't have any problems with the iLok! (And yeah, sometimes I have).


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Re: Little MicroShift - a free plug-in new [Re: Scramble]
      #1038901 - 19/03/13 05:58 PM
Quote Scramble:

There's one thing I really love about iLoks, though. When you have to re-install your OS it's a PITA to re-install endless amounts of license codes, each with its own PITA system of doing so. That takes forever. Whereas with all the iLok-protected software that is all avoided. Much quicker and easier.

Presuming, of course, that you don't have any problems with the iLok! (And yeah, sometimes I have).




I thought Mr Walker had told us way back in XP days how to clone drives or use an image to avoid all that kerffuffle?

I cannot see why I cannot be given two (say) valid codes for my DAW software, one lasting but a month. Then if I need to format and re-install I use the spare. That gets you going instantly then you can go through the byzantine PITA process of getting the permanent code re authourised?

If course I know why! Steinberg, MAGIX et al don't give **** about customer convienience so long as as THEY don't loose a penny.


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Re: Little MicroShift - a free plug-in new [Re: tomas]
      #1038903 - 19/03/13 06:20 PM
Now I am not saying this is an Eventide Harmonizer but if anyone who knows how important that device has been to music production over the years, if it gives anything in that direction it is worth having.

iLok is annoying yes, agreed but I find it odd to moan about jumping through a few hoops to get something for free if it proves useful.

I would prefer to use an iLok and pay for some of the excellent software that requires it rather than be a thief or stuck with second rate 'nearly does the job' freeware bits and bobs or miss a few excellent pieces because I did not want to pay £20.00

Cutting off your nose to spite your face rings a bell. There are a few great free software items but it is not the be all and end all, far from it. Sometimes quality and results costs some money chaps. I think I have 2 plugins that are free.

There are a quite a few of iLok items here which I would be really stumped to replace with
non iLok software. I avoided it for ages but now the benefits easily out weigh the negatives.

There are a few software houses that authorize via your hard drive S/N so clone is not 100pct guarantee. Though I clone my system drives here. (while I have a mo gonna spin em up so they don't seize, thanks for the reminder)

Now I recall why I have a firefox 3.5 installer on my desktop.


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Re: Little MicroShift - a free plug-in new [Re: tomas]
      #1038906 - 19/03/13 06:32 PM
Just got it installed to my iLok. What a pulaver. I found switching USB ports on my iLok worked - the installer claimed no iLok was present, even though mine showed up in Device Manager, until I switched ports.

I don't mind iLok as long as it works as it should.


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Re: Little MicroShift - a free plug-in new [Re: ef37a]
      #1038922 - 19/03/13 08:24 PM
Quote ef37a:

I thought Mr Walker had told us way back in XP days how to clone drives or use an image to avoid all that kerffuffle?




If you're going from XP to W7 you can't do that (or if you want to re-install from fresh).

Quote ef37a:

If course I know why! Steinberg, MAGIX et al don't give **** about customer convienience




I find Cubase is easy in this sort of situation because it also uses a dongle.

Quote ef37a:

so long as as THEY don't loose a penny.




Loose a penny?


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Re: Little MicroShift - a free plug-in new [Re: Scramble]
      #1038923 - 19/03/13 08:47 PM
What I mean is Scramble. No company wants or likes to be ripped off so they use various security systems e.g to foil shoplifters. But the Sainsburies of this world know that if they make the security too oppressive for the customers, 99.9% of whom are honest, they will put them off.

The DAW companies do not work that way. "We" have to put up with enormous hassle just so they can enjoy near 100% security.

I too have a dongle on Cubase LE6 and like the idea of being able to switch to a laptop but then many companies let you have their software on two computers anyway! Just bought Son Forte, they are one such.

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Re: Little MicroShift - a free plug-in new [Re: ef37a]
      #1038926 - 19/03/13 08:54 PM
Why are you replying to me? I just listed one advantage that never gets mentioned, but otherwise I have no strong opinions on this matter.


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Re: Little MicroShift - a free plug-in new [Re: tomas]
      #1038930 - 19/03/13 09:32 PM
Dave...'Near 100% security'...? I come across systems on a regular basis where almost the entire plug in list is cracked.

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Re: Little MicroShift - a free plug-in new [Re: ef37a]
      #1038931 - 19/03/13 09:37 PM
Quote ef37a:

Steinberg, MAGIX et al don't give **** about customer convienience so long as as THEY don't loose a penny.




Be fair to Magix! They dropped dongle protection in the most recent version of Samplitude, and their plug-ins have never used it.

Personally I think iLok is very much more convenient than other copy protection systems. I've lost count of the number of plug-ins I've had to abandon when moving to new computers because I couldn't reauthorise them, but reinstalling iLok ones is dead easy. The same would be true if I wanted to work temporarily in another studio.

My main problem is that I seem to have accumulated about six of the blasted things with different licences on...


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Re: Little MicroShift - a free plug-in new [Re: tomas]
      #1038944 - 19/03/13 11:12 PM
In addition -

The sheer quantity of different cooy protection protocols is a major issue in the management of even a moderately well-equipped audio software environment. iLok is the closest thing to a standard yet available.

The arguments here have been rehearsed so many times on this forum. Surely we can accept that software developers have to respond given the scale of software theft, accept it as part of our professional lives and get on with it?



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