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ryan_570



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Advice on mixing
      #1044346 - 21/04/13 04:40 PM
Hi,
I'm currently feeling a bit unhappy with my mixes and so looking for some guidance.
I don't want to tell you what I'm not happy about, or what gear I've used as I'm looking for unbiased truth from fresh ears. Harsh as you like.
The most recent one I did was for a Nepalese guy. First time he'd recorded so nothing too mean about him please.
Cheers.


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Re: Advice on mixing new [Re: ryan_570]
      #1044358 - 21/04/13 05:59 PM
Hi Ryan,

after a first listen the immediate things that spring out to me are the timing of certain parts could be tighter ie. an offending note on the guitar at the beginning and some kick drum hits a bit further. The guitars feel like they've been overly high cut filtered (maybe allow them a bit more top end up to 8khz perhaps) and the vocals in the mellower parts feel too soft. I'm sure a few of the more experienced guys will prob chime in with a bit more feedback soon.

Cheers,

Dave

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Re: Advice on mixing new [Re: ryan_570]
      #1044359 - 21/04/13 06:02 PM
Typing as I listen...

There is too much going on in the lower mids. You need to clean things up down there. The mix sounds congested.

There's not much high end in anything. The drums and guitars seem to be suffering most. The snare is on its way to a nice sound, but it's all 'donk' and no top. The hi-hat and kick are all but lost in the mix when everything gets going. There's also a bit too much 'room' in the drums for my liking. I'd dry them up, if possible, but I'd also consider a plate reverb to help out.

The guitars have no 'bite' and are intruding on the bass. The bass itself seems not too bad, but might need some of the boom removing.

The vocals are out of tune in places - they really need fixing. They are also probably a bit loud in places in the context of this style of music. In other places it seems like they could stand a lift.

A few timing discrepancies between guitar/bass/drums. Hopefully these can be fixed with some simple editing.

I like the mid-section's distorted/delayed vocal. It works really well.

There are some tuning problems going on during the guitar solo - and that solo meanders around looking for something interesting to say. It needs re-thinking IMO - does it need to be there at all? If it does need to be there then it should do something to pull us along. At the moment it's just going nowhere and so it feels gratuitous.

Overall the mix is getting there, but it (and the arrangement) needs cleaning up.

HTH!

(I was in Nepal a couple of years ago - a fascinating country and some incredible people)

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ryan_570



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Re: Advice on mixing new [Re: ryan_570]
      #1044506 - 22/04/13 02:44 PM
Hey,
Thanks very much for your time to help.
Very interesting points I really agree with the snare comment. Just had a question for 'The Elf' You mention
Quote:

The hi-hat and kick are all but lost in the mix when everything gets going.



Is that a type-o? I was surprised to read that.
Its in fact the guitars that annoy me the most, so I'm glad you both picked up on that. The lack of bite that you mention I think connected with too much roll off at the top.
As for the arrangement. This is the 1st song he'd written. It started off as at 8mins that had only 2 parts and a solo of about 64 bars! I tried to explain to him about structure and I found it quite hard to change his 'baby'. I think he learnt a lot about arranging and why its so important. I learnt how hard it is to change peoples work.
Yea he was a great dude though!


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Re: Advice on mixing new [Re: ryan_570]
      #1044511 - 22/04/13 03:29 PM
Quote ryan_570:

Hey,
Thanks very much for your time to help.
Very interesting points I really agree with the snare comment. Just had a question for 'The Elf' You mention
Quote:

The hi-hat and kick are all but lost in the mix when everything gets going.



Is that a type-o? I was surprised to read that.



The kick has lots of thump, but no click and the hat just gets swamped. Listen to the first verse - as soon as everything hits the hat is lost. Maybe this is a buss compression reacting to the volume of the bottom end of the kick?

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ryan_570



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Re: Advice on mixing new [Re: The Elf]
      #1044521 - 22/04/13 04:08 PM
Quote The Elf:

Quote ryan_570:

Hey,
Thanks very much for your time to help.
Very interesting points I really agree with the snare comment. Just had a question for 'The Elf' You mention
Quote:

The hi-hat and kick are all but lost in the mix when everything gets going.



Is that a type-o? I was surprised to read that.



The kick has lots of thump, but no click and the hat just gets swamped. Listen to the first verse - as soon as everything hits the hat is lost. Maybe this is a buss compression reacting to the volume of the bottom end of the kick?




Cool yea I didn't think you meant all But lost. That makes scene. Hi hat gets very quiet by the end of the verse, I think I did remove some top from the kick too.
Cheers


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