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up-john



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Feedbak on mix balance
      #1048915 - 18/05/13 11:43 PM
Hi!

Today I was mixing a track, but not knowing why, mix balance seems very odd to me. After adding some blending reveerb it seemed even more odd. I'd like to share it with you, showing these steps. I am aware of not so great reeverb - I think I haven't spent enough time choosing it, but the reason of it was because I stopped doing it after finding mix balance strange. I hope that you, the more experienced with proper setup people, would help me in indicating what's wrong with it. Any help will be appreciated.

http://snd.sc/10DgFKw - Mix with EQ, Reveerb, compression
http://snd.sc/11NtOEg - Mix with EQ, compression

Thank you in advance


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DC-Choppah



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Re: Feedbak on mix balance new [Re: up-john]
      #1048925 - 19/05/13 03:09 AM
It's a creepy little tune.

There is nothing acting as pad or giving strong harmonic cues, just voice over sparse rhythms.

The arrangement is a skeleton.

Sounds like we are only hearing pieces of a fuller arrangement. like when you solo a few tracks of an arrangement.

Understand your instinct to fill it in with reverb, but that just adds to the creepiness. It becomes a creepy tune played in an empty mansion.

Don't know what they were going for but that's my reaction.


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up-john



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Re: Feedbak on mix balance new [Re: DC-Choppah]
      #1048946 - 19/05/13 09:15 AM
It's an album-opening track. This lack of instruments was made on purpose, in order to bring the listeners new, characteristic feeling, so it is inevitable for it to sound creepy. I think that maybe it will sound better if proper reveerb is applied (and probably mix balance is fixed, but I don't know exactly what's wrong with it).


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Re: Feedbak on mix balance new [Re: up-john]
      #1049090 - 20/05/13 11:06 AM
The first mix sounds fine to me as it is.

BUT - as an album opening 'xtra' track I think it's way too long without developing into a full blown production. I really like it's spareness but I think it should either be a 1 minute 'taster' of things to come or a full blown track that develops much more.

Just MHO

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Re: Feedbak on mix balance new [Re: up-john]
      #1049093 - 20/05/13 11:16 AM
The un-reverbed version is too dry and uncomplicated as it is - it sounds like the mix isn't finished. The reverbed version sounds too polished.

I'd avoid the big 'bloomy' reverbs and go for something altogether dryer and *more* disturbing.

After 1:30 it sounds fine for a while as it is in the un-reverbed version.

But I would experiment with lots of little depth and distance cues, such as early reflections, short delays and echo clusters - and I'd also get busy with the filters and distortion.

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Re: Feedbak on mix balance new [Re: up-john]
      #1049147 - 20/05/13 02:48 PM
Freaky tune! :-)
Who's singing on this song? I mean, it's like a child voice but at the same time it's very adult like. Strange voice.. alien kind, I can name it. heavily picted and tuned, though..

I prefered the dry [no reverb] version, but some details and FX could still use some well adjusted reverb to add depth and space to your mix. The overall balance sounds ok to me, though i hear little stuff here and there that i would do differently [in terms of tone and compression]. Some delays would also help the vocal to be trippy at some moments. I agree with distortion, suits this song big time.

I think you can be more creative and experimental in mastering stage, since the music itself asks for such unusual mastering. it can add some more character to the song, in my opinion. Maybe an agressive EQ curve and a pumping compression.


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Re: Feedbak on mix balance new [Re: The Elf]
      #1049239 - 20/05/13 11:03 PM
Quote The Elf:

I'd avoid the big 'bloomy' reverbs and go for something altogether dryer and *more* disturbing.

After 1:30 it sounds fine for a while as it is in the un-reverbed version.

But I would experiment with lots of little depth and distance cues, such as early reflections, short delays and echo clusters(...)




I did it today and yesterday. I used mix of two different reeverbs - one for blending and one for adding size. Wrong delay spoiled the previous mix. I've spent a lot of time messing around with reeverbs - and it sounds like it's been worth my work! A little bit of great delay has been added too:

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Edited by up-john (20/05/13 11:09 PM)


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Re: Feedbak on mix balance new [Re: up-john]
      #1049245 - 21/05/13 12:21 AM
I'm digging this now. That new reverb blends things nicely. Big improvement.

Still creepy.

My son wonders if it is a boy or girl singing. Makes him feel creepy.

Doesn't scream out anymore that its a sparse arrangement.


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Re: Feedbak on mix balance new [Re: up-john]
      #1049255 - 21/05/13 07:01 AM
Much better.

I would still go for more weirdness though. Perhaps let the end some phrases dry up, add a single repeat delay to a word, maybe distort the delay, let the repeat hang over the next phrase, reverse delay/reverb faded into the middle of a phrase... All things that unsettle the listener and prevent him guessing what's going to happen next.

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Re: Feedbak on mix balance new [Re: up-john]
      #1049361 - 21/05/13 05:58 PM
Love the song!

Have nothing more to add.

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Re: Feedbak on mix balance new [Re: up-john]
      #1049405 - 22/05/13 06:38 AM
Reverb is a difficult subject! Also, it is unlike a lot of people think, in physical spaces not comparable with the theory of "impulses" (because of certain theoretical limitations of impulse convolutions), so if you use impulse reverbs, it's going to sound dull in a certain sense you may not expect.

Of course artistically, adding reverb is an interesting subject, and I'd suggest there are even far more spooky reverb-like effects from certain effects units, and probably from software, often combined with various modulations.

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Re: Feedbak on mix balance new [Re: up-john]
      #1049444 - 22/05/13 12:42 PM
Wow.
This is great stuff!
The vocal reminds me just a wee bit of Sia - very cool.
I predict a great UK-garridge-style remix of this...

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Re: Feedbak on mix balance new [Re: up-john]
      #1051739 - 08/06/13 10:08 AM
Thank you for all your opinions. I've just finished the whole, totally homemade EP. I did my own own mastering on this track, and if you want to hear the results you can hear it
here: http://nataliamadej.bandcamp.com/
and here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLskgxTbvTY&list=PLRs35p8wfMyvkFvYk6KDQMHZx LEANLdov



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Re: Feedbak on mix balance new [Re: up-john]
      #1051743 - 08/06/13 10:37 AM
Nice job!

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