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alexis



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Anybody think "drawing" vibrato with Autotune etc. sounds realistic?
      #1115077 - 13/08/14 07:51 PM
Hi - was reading about the ability of some of these "Autotune-like" programs to draw in the notes with the pencil tool. Does anyone here use that function for vibrato, and if so, is it fairly transparent if used "responsibly" (referring to sung voice, mainly)?

Thanks for any thoughts!

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Re: Anybody think "drawing" vibrato with Autotune etc. sounds realistic? new [Re: alexis]
      #1115150 - 14/08/14 11:04 AM
Quite effective when using Vari Audio in segment mode. Doddle and quite realistic so long as you don't go for mad stretches. It can get damn tiresome though but if you already have a half decent vibrato going then it's easy to edit and add to it.

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Re: Anybody think "drawing" vibrato with Autotune etc. sounds realistic? new [Re: Zukan]
      #1115198 - 14/08/14 03:34 PM
Quote Zukan:

Quite effective when using Vari Audio in segment mode. Doddle and quite realistic so long as you don't go for mad stretches. It can get damn tiresome though but if you already have a half decent vibrato going then it's easy to edit and add to it.




Hi Zukan -

*How* are you doing that in VA ? I use Cubase also, and VA a fair amount, but have no idea how to use it to edit/add vibrato, in segment mode or otherwise ... can you please elaborate a bit ... thank you!

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Re: Anybody think "drawing" vibrato with Autotune etc. sounds realistic? new [Re: alexis]
      #1115470 - 18/08/14 07:21 AM
Yep, select segment, use pencil, draw in new vibrato or edit existing one. I tend to work the vibrato tails a lot as this is where most of the problems lie bar 'off the scale' mad vibrato. You can also extend/shorten, lower/raise etc by using the pencil or range tool. Fading is a great way to play with vibrato as well as so many amateur singers plosive after the vibrato end. If you throw in the chord track you can do even more creative things with Vari.

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Re: Anybody think "drawing" vibrato with Autotune etc. sounds realistic? new [Re: alexis]
      #1115474 - 18/08/14 08:55 AM
Many moons ago we would load up lead guitar parts into Autotune and would use the inbuilt vibrato quite effectively. It had a delay as well as speed / depth and we would tweak all three parameters to make it more natural. Sounded lovely. As it was guitar, we could turn most of the autotuning side down - slow correction rates mean less artifacts in the audio, so it was gentle correction but the vibrato control was lovely.

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Re: Anybody think "drawing" vibrato with Autotune etc. sounds realistic? new [Re: Zukan]
      #1115718 - 21/08/14 02:34 AM
Quote Zukan:

Yep, select segment, use pencil, draw in new vibrato or edit existing one. I tend to work the vibrato tails a lot as this is where most of the problems lie bar 'off the scale' mad vibrato. You can also extend/shorten, lower/raise etc by using the pencil or range tool. Fading is a great way to play with vibrato as well as so many amateur singers plosive after the vibrato end. If you throw in the chord track you can do even more creative things with Vari.




Hi Zukan - thanks for this reply, I've been away for a while, couldn't wait to get back to try this out.

It's not working for me :-( .

1) Per usual: I open VariAudio, and click on segment, it analyzes the audio.
2) The problems start when I right click and select the pencil tool:
--- a) The cross-hatched segment sign goes away, the colors turn gray, and the segment light goes off. Hmm.
--- b) I click with the pencil on what used to be a colored, cross-hatched segment (it's now a gray box), and I get the message: "This Operation will invalidate the VariAudio data. Proceed?"
--- c) I say "Yes".
--- d) Then I immediately get the message - "Drawing is not possible in this wave display mode!".

I tried it using the "Pitch and Warp" tab instead of segment, and got similar results.

Can you explain a little bit more please about how you coax Cubase into letting you use the pencil tool in VariAudio?

Thanks much ...

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Re: Anybody think "drawing" vibrato with Autotune etc. sounds realistic? new [Re: alexis]
      #1115769 - 21/08/14 01:46 PM
Is it as authentic as when Robert Calvert used to have his voice wobbulated through an old EMS Synthi on old Hawkwind albums?

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