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Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds: 'Death Of You And Me'
#983255 - 20/04/12 09:52 AM
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Even if I inhabited a twisted parallel universe where I actually wanted to hear the word
‘Sunshine’ sung by either of the Gallagher brothers ever again, I’d still have some
reservations about the vocal on this record, specifically as regards the balancing of its
occasional falsetto notes. The nub of the issue is that a falsetto delivery has a
completely different timbre to a note that’s sung more normally, especially if the
singer has to strain to hit the pitch in question, as is normally the case — the 2-4 kHz
register will tend to be emphasised by forced high-register singing, whereas a weakness in
this spectral region is part of what tends to give falsetto its naturally softer-edged
character. As a result, mixer settings that work for normal singing won’t necessarily do
for the falsetto. In this specific scenario, things are OK during the verses
— Gallagher isn’t pushing his normal voice too hard, so the tonal disparity is less
pronounced. It’s in the choruses that things really come to a head: he pushes his normal
voice up to claim the high E-flat that was formerly sung falsetto, giving it a much harder
edge by comparison with the even higher falsetto words “whole” and “storm”. Of
course, it doesn’t help that the backing texture also becomes richer in the critical
2-4kHz area at this juncture, masking it more strongly and thereby pushing the falsetto
words even further into the background. The “storm” at 2:29 is about the best of the
lot, but even that one takes a noticeable step backwards relative to the notes either side
of it. To my mind, the evenness and intelligibility of the line could have been improved a
good deal with a stiff dose of 3kHz boost on those two falsetto words in each chorus —
perhaps from an automated EQ. The move to falsetto isn’t the only ‘gear-change’ you
can hear in this vocal performance, though, because there’s also a less pronounced one
audible during “running from people who can” and “sucking up my soul”. Again,
those lines submerge slightly beneath the backing, so similar automation tactics could
probably have helped a little there too.
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Re: Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds: 'Death Of You And Me'
[Re: Mike Senior]
#983256 - 20/04/12 09:57 AM
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I reviewed this track off the (presumably eponymous) album, which gives the following
credits: Produced by Noel Gallagher & David Sardy Engineered by Ryan
Castle, Paul Stacey, Jan Kybert, and Matt Howe. (It's not clear which specific tracks each
worked on.) Mixed by David Sardy Mastered by Ian Cooper The falsetto
issue I raise in the above critique has always been a big concern for bands in a
Coldplay/Travis/Keane vein, because of the way they tend to make use of the switch to
falsetto as an expressive tool. (Whether they do this naturally or in a calculated manner
is open to debate...) As such, there are plenty of examples of mix engineers grappling
with falsetto delivery on record. A couple of good ones are Coldplay's debut hit 'Yellow'
(mixed by Michael Brauer) and Keane's 'She Has No Time' (mixed by Spike Stent), both of
which manage the vocal balancing better than on 'Death Of You And Me' to my ears. It's also interesting to note that the falsetto balancing problem recurs on the album's
second single 'AKA... What A Life'. However, if you do have a listen to that track, check
out the great little 'mute botton solo' at 1:12. It's so easy to program this kind of
thing in at mixdown now, but that doesn't make it any less effective at renewing the
listener's attention. For more critiques of commercial productions, browse The Mix Review Index.
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Re: Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds: 'Death Of You And Me'
[Re: Mike Senior]
#983291 - 20/04/12 11:27 AM
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Mike, unfortunately I am unable to appreciate your appraisal of the mix of this song due
to the horrific use of rhyming summer in the 'city', isn't it a 'pity' and the girls are
looking 'pretty' which frankly sounds rather 'sh***y' and stops me from listening
intently
Horrible GCSE lyrics, what next? crying in the rain....
And
this from the guy that wrote Wonderwall...
its wrong, all wrong...
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Re: Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds: 'Death Of You And Me'
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#983303 - 20/04/12 11:43 AM
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Quote jaminem:
Mike,
unfortunately I am unable to appreciate your appraisal of the mix of this song due to the
horrific use of rhyming summer in the 'city', isn't it a 'pity' and the girls are looking
'pretty' which frankly sounds rather 'sh***y' and stops me from listening intently
He's a repeat offender. It's the
"sister" / "missed her" / "blister" that still sticks in my memory...
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Re: Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds: 'Death Of You And Me'
[Re: Mike Senior]
#983307 - 20/04/12 12:00 PM
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... some things are best left unsaid....
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Re: Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds: 'Death Of You And Me'
[Re: Mike Senior]
#983333 - 20/04/12 01:52 PM
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Initially I thought it was the best song on the album, but that thought quickly gave way.
It's one of the more immediate ones live though.
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Re: Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds: 'Death Of You And Me'
[Re: Mike Senior]
#983338 - 20/04/12 02:00 PM
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Quote Mike Senior:
Quote jaminem:
Mike,
unfortunately I am unable to appreciate your appraisal of the mix of this song due to the
horrific use of rhyming summer in the 'city', isn't it a 'pity' and the girls are looking
'pretty' which frankly sounds rather 'sh***y' and stops me from listening intently
He's a repeat offender. It's
the "sister" / "missed her" / "blister" that still sticks in my memory...
Yeah I kinda took that as 'tongue in
cheek' rather than this which is more 'head up arse...'
Edited by jaminem (20/04/12 02:00 PM)
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Re: Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds: 'Death Of You And Me'
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#983365 - 20/04/12 04:41 PM
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Quote jaminem:
Quote Mike Senior:
Quote jaminem:
Mike,
unfortunately I am unable to appreciate your appraisal of the mix of this song due to the
horrific use of rhyming summer in the 'city', isn't it a 'pity' and the girls are looking
'pretty' which frankly sounds rather 'sh***y' and stops me from listening intently
He's a repeat offender. It's the
"sister" / "missed her" / "blister" that still sticks in my memory...
Yeah I kinda took that as 'tongue in
cheek' rather than this which is more 'head up arse...'
i'd go with limited prowess.... ooooooh
naughty me.
I've always thought Mr G was a great spokesperson for modern
musical arts but not so much a capable practitioner. Know what I mean? Love to hear him
talk about music, seems a decent chap.... but put the guitar down
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Re: Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds: 'Death Of You And Me'
[Re: Mike Senior]
#983367 - 20/04/12 05:00 PM
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He he - spot on. He is quite a funny bloke, pretty sus, and he knows music well. But
that interminable strumming!!!
I will have a listen though to see how he does
on his own - probably many variations of the Kinks songbook....
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Re: Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds: 'Death Of You And Me'
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#984099 - 25/04/12 03:10 AM
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The end of the horn solo sounds like it is nicked from "For The Benefit Of Mr Kite"...
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Re: Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds: 'Death Of You And Me'
[Re: Mike Senior]
#1019116 - 18/11/12 10:44 AM
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I always thought the brothers borrowed rather a lot from the beatles. Interesting post Mike... By the way I enjoyed your book very much.. I would suggest you
think about a prequel..
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Re: Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds: 'Death Of You And Me'
[Re: Mike Senior]
#1019128 - 18/11/12 11:43 AM
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The guy's not so much a composer as a kleptomaniac.
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Re: Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds: 'Death Of You And Me'
[Re: Mike Senior]
#1019167 - 18/11/12 04:38 PM
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High Flying Birds? I take it Noel saw Richie Havens on BBC4s 'Sounds of the 60s'. Quote Mike Senior:
Even if I
inhabited a twisted parallel universe where I actually wanted to hear the word
‘Sunshine’ sung by either of the Gallagher brothers ever again...
Don't you mean
"SsssUnsssssshhhhhheeeeeiiiiiiiine"?
Quote Mike Senior:
I’d still have some reservations
about the vocal on this record
Like the fact that he can't sing for sh*t?
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Re: Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds: 'Death Of You And Me'
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#1019249 - 19/11/12 09:35 AM
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Personally a big fan of this record both in terms of song and production. I think Noel is
a great songwriter. The lack of much success and poor songs that Beady Eye are pushing out
confirms Oasis' success was ALL because of Noel.
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Re: Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds: 'Death Of You And Me'
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#1019288 - 19/11/12 01:48 PM
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It's never ALL because of one person. The success of Oasis was also down to producers and
the "Manchestoband" image people wanted to assimilate and appropriate. The recent success
of Noel has much to do with the fact that more people like him as a person. That's just
how people are.
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Re: Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds: 'Death Of You And Me'
[Re: Mike Senior]
#1019367 - 19/11/12 11:52 PM
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Noel was definitely the brains, but Liam was the rockstar frontman who young lads wanted
to be.
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Re: Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds: 'Death Of You And Me'
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#1019399 - 20/11/12 10:32 AM
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Quote jaminem:
And this from the
guy that wrote Wonderwall...
Wonderwall lyrics are good??!! - they're only fractionally
better, so maybe A-level rather than GCSE (IMO).
Edited by Stoney (20/11/12 10:34 AM)
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