Scouser
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Any tips for backing vox to sit better in my mix
#999161 - 21/07/12 09:44 PM
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Just trying to get my daughter interested in a bit of singing, so got her to have a bash
at doing a small backing vox part on a song im working on. She is really enjoying, prob
have to re record one of her lines as its not quite there but I cant seem to get it to sit
in the mix very well and wondered if there are any obvious things I could do ? You can
hear it here: http://www.kompoz.com/compose-collaborate/home.track.project?trackId=20877
9&projectId=31570Its the last half of the song in case you don't want to listen
to the whole thing ! I have still got quite a bit to do on the track, just in case
you think the backing vox are the least of my worries  Thanks
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Phil O
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Re: Any tips for backing vox to sit better in my mix
[Re: Scouser]
#999192 - 22/07/12 10:28 AM
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My 2c
1. If you haven't already, compress them. Use a ratio of around 2:1 and
a fairly short attack time. Adjust the threshold to achieve 6 db reduction and use gain
makeup.
2.Scoop out some mids (500hZ region) to create space for the lead.
3.Record some unison harmonies (3rds and 5ths).What you have now is really a 'call and
answer' type line which is OK upto a point but proper harmonies might be better.
4
Push the BV's out wide.
5 Judicious use of tempo sync'd delays as send FX can also
help create space.
6.A touch of tuning wouldn't go a miss also.
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The Elf
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Re: Any tips for backing vox to sit better in my mix
[Re: Scouser]
#999201 - 22/07/12 11:15 AM
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These aren't backing vocals. What you have is a second lead vocal. As such it needs to be
as strong as the main lead vocal - not sitting 'in the mix', but riding over it. The way
you have it set right now sounds like a lead vocal mixed too quietly.
If I was
wanting to create 'backing vocals' for this song I'd be layering them and adding harmonies
- also getting them actually back the lead vocal - not adding.
Then come the
compression/EQ tricks to place them behind the lead vocal!
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Jack Ruston
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Re: Any tips for backing vox to sit better in my mix
[Re: Scouser]
#999207 - 22/07/12 11:43 AM
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Yeah. It's either an ad lib, in which case bring it up and see if you can get her to sing
it with a bit more conviction. OR it's a sort of airy bv thing, in which case layer
it...add some yourself too...so, say 4 of what you have now, 4 harmonies and 4 low octaves
from you, perhaps with 4 low octaves of the harmony too. It's another good
song. J
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Mixedup
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Re: Any tips for backing vox to sit better in my mix
[Re: Jack Ruston]
#999318 - 23/07/12 09:00 AM
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What Jack said.
Personally, it strikes me as more of a call/response sort of
thing, which requires the female vox to be nearer the male vox in level. Which is maybe a
re-take for a more strident sound. Maybe put it in a slightly different space - stereo
spread/delay. You could certainly use this take to see if that works, though, and then
re-track if it's what you want.
Or, as Jack suggests, layer some of your own
BVs in and go for a wide airy sort of sound, which would also work nicely.
As
it is, it's kinda falling between two stools...
Also... yes, another nice
track. The production side of things is coming on nicely too. Good work.
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Phil O
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Re: Any tips for backing vox to sit better in my mix
[Re: Mixedup]
#999429 - 23/07/12 07:56 PM
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Check out King Creosote & Jon Hopkins "Bubble" for an excellent example of M/F vocal
integration - Youtube Link
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Mixedup
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Re: Any tips for backing vox to sit better in my mix
[Re: Phil O]
#999440 - 23/07/12 09:09 PM
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I was going to suggest looking at the integration of Evan Dando and Juliana Hatfield in
some of the Lemonheads stuff (eg 'My Drug Buddy'), though not sure they fit together quite
like those in this song. Worth a listen, though!
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Scouser
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Re: Any tips for backing vox to sit better in my mix
[Re: Scouser]
#999515 - 24/07/12 10:35 AM
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As ever sterling advice chaps, thanks so much for taking the time to get back to me.
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