RitchieM
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Re: Lights!
[Re: SwingKing]
#998414 - 17/07/12 02:45 PM
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Too late, I am taking your word as Gospel! I do want to get into DMX with the
lights, as we have a bunch of Datamoon's and other bits that are all DMX, and we have such
a diversity in what we play that it would be daft not to set up scenes for different tempo
tracks. Obviously there will be a lot of messing, but it will add to the shows.
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RitchieM
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Re: Lights!
[Re: SwingKing]
#998447 - 17/07/12 06:10 PM
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Just a quick question, I have seen that you can link by dmx and power in one cable, what
do I look for, or the ability to have power via dmx a standard of the protocol??
It's two cables in one isn't it?!?!
Clown!
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Dave Gate
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Re: Lights!
[Re: RitchieM]
#998448 - 17/07/12 06:19 PM
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I believe that CPC do combined 5 pin DMX and Powercon cables.
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RitchieM
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Re: Lights!
[Re: SwingKing]
#998465 - 17/07/12 09:23 PM
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Okay, but the fixture needs a 5 pin connector though??
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Re: Lights!
[Re: SwingKing]
#998469 - 17/07/12 09:58 PM
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The 5-pin DMX connector should be carrying data only. Power would be dealt with by the
Powercon. I've never heard of power being transmitted through a DMX cable.
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RitchieM
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Re: Lights!
[Re: SwingKing]
#998503 - 18/07/12 07:51 AM
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This is why I need help!! Would burn the pub down!!! Cheers for the help guys!
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RitchieM
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Re: Lights!
[Re: SwingKing]
#998884 - 20/07/12 08:29 AM
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Okay, moving onto controllers now! What we are looking for really is a
controller to set up the different scene / programmes, dmx controllable BUT can be
triggered by a footswitch. I saw this http://www.thomann.de/gb/stairville_led_commander_162.htm but it's
only for LEDs isn't it? So if we had old data moons and other lamp effects, could we use a
dimmer and control them that way, or would a different desk be better? I don't think this
one works with a footswitch either?!?!?! OR, do we go down the route of
computer and something like this http://www.thomann.de/gb/lumidmx_x1_light_controll_basic_bundle.htmWe don't want to necessarily run the entire thing from a computer, but maybe worth
it?!?!
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RitchieM
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Re: Lights!
[Re: SwingKing]
#1000447 - 29/07/12 02:32 PM
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Right, we have ordered 2xLEDJ Stage Wash Tri 24's with stands, cables and an LEDJ S1F foot
controller, after MUCH discussion. Obviously we are going to see how all this
goes, and I mention in my previous post about software vs hardware control. Does anybody have an thoughts?? I would initially like to have 1 unit on wash, and the
other on chases, but I don't THINK I can do this in Master / Slave mode. I would LOVE to
use a program to set up cues based on an audio track / timeline, but having had a play I
might be tempted to leave alone for now. So I would want a controller I could
trigger from the footswitch, will loads of different Scene for different songs, ultimately
with control over 8-12 fixtures. Any help appreciated Ritchie
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SwingKing
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Re: Lights!
[Re: RitchieM]
#1014980 - 23/10/12 12:59 PM
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How you getting on RitchieM? This thread's pretty old now so I'm imagining you've had a
chance to road test your purchase by now. Following your advice and
recommendation, Dave, and after long consideration, I've placed an order with http://www.djanddiscostuff.com/In the end, I went with the
American DJ Jelly Par Profile System. The LEDJ set-up was out of my budget and I was
encouraged by your mention of the company. Having checked out a demo of what it can do, I
think it's what I'm looking for. Plus, the money stays in Blighty so everyone's a winner.
First gig to use them will be the first of my Christmas performances at the end of
November so I'll give an update after that.
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SwingKing
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Re: Lights!
[Re: SwingKing]
#1015103 - 23/10/12 10:52 PM
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Update: not good news. Mike at Phase One emailed me later on today to say that the
American DJ stock had been damaged due to a water leak. So, back to the drawing board we
go!
Gutted is not the word but I think it's excellent customer service on
behalf of Phase One to send a personal email with a full explanation and a refund.
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RitchieM
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Re: Lights!
[Re: SwingKing]
#1015294 - 24/10/12 08:11 PM
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Honestly, they are brilliant (in all senses!!) Have a look at our Website and you can see photos of them
in use on a couple of pictures. We paid more than we expected, but got a far better setup
than we hoped.
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SwingKing
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Re: Lights!
[Re: RitchieM]
#1015363 - 25/10/12 09:01 AM
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Good stuff, and a nice website.
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RitchieM
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Re: Lights!
[Re: SwingKing]
#1015365 - 25/10/12 09:08 AM
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Thank you! We found that with these ones, they just have such coverage, that
even on Sound To Light they do a fantastic job, and then disco lighting and smoke just
really set it off. Would recommend them to anyone.
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SwingKing
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Re: Lights!
[Re: RitchieM]
#1015546 - 25/10/12 11:09 PM
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Just waiting for my refund from Phase One to clear and then I'll start my search anew.
Due to unforseen circumstances, the budget has decreased so I'll be looking for something
under the three hundred mark - wish me luck!
I'll keep tabs on your website,
Ritchie. Skem isn't too far a drive for me so hopefully I can come and see Pretty Vegas
play soon. Do you ever venture as far as Wirral? I know of two couples who are getting
married next autumn - I'll put a word in if you want.
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Dave71
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Re: Lights!
[Re: SwingKing]
#1015652 - 26/10/12 02:37 PM
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Oh dear, I havent been to Phase One for a while due to illness but i did pick up a set of
4 ADJ Tri Par profiles in August. Nifty little fixtures!
http://www.djanddiscostuff.com/lighting-c1/band-stage-and-uplighting-c9/led-slim-pars-c8
5/american-dj-american-dj-mega-tri-par-profile-led-uplighter-4-package-with-free-dmx-leads
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RitchieM
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Re: Lights!
[Re: SwingKing]
#1015656 - 26/10/12 02:55 PM
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By all means pass on our details, and I will keep you posted about public gigs. I think if
you see them you would be tempted. I would look at making sure your purchase could be
easily expanded as from what we saw, the cheap lights look just that on their own. Ritchie
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SwingKing
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Re: Lights!
[Re: SwingKing]
#1018616 - 14/11/12 07:29 PM
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Put in an order today for these little fellas: http://www.djanddiscostuff.com/lighting-c1/band-stage-and-uplighting-c9/le
d-slim-pars-c85/american-dj-american-dj-adj-mega-par-profile-led-slim-par-can-in-silver-4-
pack-free-dmx-leads-p681Although I really should have got the Stratus Wash
when first made aware of it, I'm hoping these will do for now. I'm just glad to have
finally made a decision!
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RitchieM
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Re: Lights!
[Re: SwingKing]
#1018642 - 14/11/12 11:18 PM
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From what we saw, the difference from having basic lights to some good ones is HUGE! I am
sure you will get a great surprise when they are on. I did want to go down the whole dmx
route, but after seeing what we could achieve just with these being linked on sound to
light with a basic foot controller (to blackout at key points), it added so much without
needing to go any further down the dmx road. Have a look at my last Wedding Band Blog Post and you can see the photos of last
saturdays charity gig. The effects are from just our 2 LEDJ Stage Tri24's and a couple of
datamoons. i think it looks pretty damn good! (Apart from my "Movember" 'tache
that is! Oh, and the dodgy photography by other guitarists wife!)
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SwingKing
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Re: Lights!
[Re: SwingKing]
#1018883 - 16/11/12 02:18 PM
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Hmmmm. My Mega Par profile lights came today and I'm having no luck at all in daisy
chaining them together. I've followed the instructions in the manual for Master-Slave set
up and had a look around on the internet and am still no further forward. They don't all
have to be plugged in do they? I thought that the Master is the only one that's plugged
in. I'm having a sneaking feeling, though, that given the other three lights aren't
coming on, that they all have to be plugged in.
In which case, is there any
kind of workaround to avoid this? Having four power leads running to the sockets seems
incredibly inconvenient.
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RitchieM
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Re: Lights!
[Re: SwingKing]
#1018898 - 16/11/12 03:07 PM
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I fell foul with this at first until someone here put me right. If they have
power in and out, then you can clip a power and xlr together, set one to master, rest to
slave and job done. If not, you xlr them together, one to master, rest to
slave and then I would put a multi in the middle and power to each one.
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MarkPAman
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Re: Lights!
[Re: SwingKing]
#1018899 - 16/11/12 03:08 PM
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Yes they all need to be plugged in! There is no power in a DMX cable.
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SwingKing
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Re: Lights!
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#1018912 - 16/11/12 03:47 PM
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I'm not sure I understand your answer about clipping the xlr to the power, Ritchie. And
your answer, Mark, with no direspect to you, just seems ridiculous to me! And this is
what everyone does is it, plug each light into a power source? I've noticed that each
light also has a power out as well as a power in. Could I not just connect a female to
male power lead to the master and have that run to the slave and so on?
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Re: Lights!
[Re: SwingKing]
#1018923 - 16/11/12 05:00 PM
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Why ridiculous?  Anyway, if there is mains in & out, then yes, you can just run
from one light to the next. If it were me, I'd get/make my mains & DMX cables the same
length & tape them together, which is what I think Ritchie meant.
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RitchieM
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Re: Lights!
[Re: SwingKing]
#1018925 - 16/11/12 05:05 PM
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That's exactly what I was meaning! Keep things tidy attaching both cables together. Sorry if I wasn't clear on that.
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SwingKing
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Re: Lights!
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#1018943 - 16/11/12 08:02 PM
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Maybe "ridiculous" was the wrong word. Maybe I should have said "inconvenient". The less
leads the better as far as I'm concerned - on that I think we can all agree.
But that would certainly be better if I could run power leads from one light to the next
and then tape them to the DMX cables. Thank you both for that.
Jeepers
those lights are powerful, though.
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RitchieM
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Re: Lights!
[Re: SwingKing]
#1018955 - 16/11/12 10:23 PM
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Surprising isn't it!!!! Before we got ours, a landlord ( and 20 yr muso) said
LED's were rubbish and said we needed the iColours, but it shows how LED has come on.
Seriously great for us, glad you are happy with your purchase. Get them
gigging!!!
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Re: Lights!
[Re: SwingKing]
#1019160 - 18/11/12 03:27 PM
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Glad you've finally got some lights sorted. They are bright and fairly easy to use. The
only problem i find when using them in master slave is that you are limited to one colour
at a time. For small pub gigs i put fixtures either side and just let them run
independently.
Obviously for my main use (up lighting) master slave is perfect.
Did you get a wireless remote with them, its a bit basic but does enough. Only down side
is they all use the same remote so you could end up in a spot of bother.
One
final word is that if you decide to pick up a small controller at some point, make sure
you use the same DMX Channel Mode. My dedicated led par controller uses 3 channels and my
fixtures were set to 7, causing all sorts of funny things to happen
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SwingKing
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Re: Lights!
[Re: Dave71]
#1019211 - 18/11/12 10:02 PM
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Thanks, Dave. Tim at Phase One recommend the Stratus Wash but they won't have any in
stock until next month and as I wanted to try them out at an outdoor gig at the end of
November I couldn't really wait any longer.
I did get the controller, yes.
Although basic, it should make things a bit easier when using them onstage. I'm going to
set everything up at home this week (haven't been able to over the weekend as I've been
busy with the kids) and have a good run-through with them so I don't look a total amateur
when I use them at the gig!
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SwingKing
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Re: Lights!
[Re: SwingKing]
#1021425 - 29/11/12 05:44 PM
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Is there any way to put three of the four lights into slave and one light into master mode
by using the controls on the back of the lights? The remote control is so annoying - with
the lights set up it's like playing Russian roulette as to which light responds to the
"slave" button!
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RitchieM
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Re: Lights!
[Re: SwingKing]
#1021444 - 29/11/12 09:06 PM
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There should be a program button that you scroll through. One to master, rest to slave.
OR, put all to slave if the controller works that way. On our foot controller,
we set both units to slave and that's how ours works. I assume the manual is rubbish like
ours!
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SwingKing
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Re: Lights!
[Re: RitchieM]
#1021513 - 30/11/12 09:55 AM
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Although the remote has a "slave" button on it, there doesn't seem to be such a thing when
scrolling through the programmes on the back of the lights. But if there is, then the
manual makes no reference to it!
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Dave71
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Re: Lights!
[Re: SwingKing]
#1021882 - 02/12/12 11:51 AM
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The mode button should scroll through the main settings and i think if you hit 001. thats
slave mode. Get one fixture powered up and hit the slave button on the remote and see what
it says on the back. Pay attention to the . after the numbers, sometimes that makes a
difference. Remote sensor is on the front btw
I have been a bit annoyed at
american DJ for doing this, I have several different types of fixture and some say SLA
where as some display 001.
I suppose they are just buying from a chinese
factory and getting their name painted on the cases
hope that helps
Oh dont forget, as they use the same remote if you try to change programs using
the remote, you will change all the fixtures so you will loose slave mode
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SwingKing
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Re: Lights!
[Re: Dave71]
#1023105 - 07/12/12 11:26 PM
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I found the best solution to be to disable the remote on the slave lights. That way, only
the master light responds to the remote control.
I had the opportunity to take
them out for a gig last week and was really pleased to see them in action in the context
of a live setting - as opposed to the effect of seeing them in the hall in my house! For
this first gig I set the program to AJF which is both colour fade and colour change
running. At its optimum height, the tripod put the lights about two feet above me, angled
so only the stage area was illuminated.
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RitchieM
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Re: Lights!
[Re: SwingKing]
#1023142 - 08/12/12 09:30 AM
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Glad you are happy with them now, particularly after all the messing around you have had!
I think it's amazing how only a few good lights will make such a difference to the
show! As I said before, I was ready to try going down the whole dmx route with
ours, but just using the in built progs and some well timed "Blackouts" is more than
enough for us to make an impact, and if you can master using the remote without it
distracting from your performance, then you will realise what a great purchase you have
made.
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Dave71
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Re: Lights!
[Re: SwingKing]
#1023165 - 08/12/12 01:21 PM
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Quote SwingKing:
I found the best
solution to be to disable the remote on the slave lights. That way, only the master light
responds to the remote control.
I had the opportunity to take them out for a
gig last week and was really pleased to see them in action in the context of a live
setting - as opposed to the effect of seeing them in the hall in my house! For this first
gig I set the program to AJF which is both colour fade and colour change running. At its
optimum height, the tripod put the lights about two feet above me, angled so only the
stage area was illuminated.
Good stuff! The best thing is that you get all that light with no heat and the
consequential hair loss
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Re: Lights!
[Re: SwingKing]
#1023167 - 08/12/12 01:29 PM
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As a folically challenge individual I too appreciate the LED benefits! I am
sure most people don't even realise that your avatar is you after a night under iColours!!
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