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The Byre



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Re: NO REPLIES-nobody knows? or nobody cares?! new [Re: jaybee]
      #182834 - 16/09/05 08:00 AM
(Seablade and UF-Bender are up early!)

I hope nobody gets the daft idea that somehow schools were better 'back then' and that there was some golden age of education. Mnay schools were utter crap and the Secondry Modern Schools were largely seen as a dumping ground for teachers and kids that were just destined to be factory fodder.

Many Grammar Schools were rubbish too. I went to three. One was OK. One was brilliant and inspiring and one was rubbish. In all three there were teachers who came straight out of 'The Wall' and teachers who were young and inspiring. I have seen the UK, the The French and the German systems and the UK system (the system, remember) was the best. We are now watering down that excellence for no good reason.

After the war, many men with a little education did a teacher training course and then hung around in schools, waiting for retirement. If you got one of those old fools in a key subject that you needed, you were stuffed.

But the post war system of A-Levels provided kids like myself who grew up in housing estates with daily deliveries of urine with the chance to move upwards. It provided one with the opportunity (if one had the guption to take it) to grasp a rung on the ladder and pull oneself upwards. The all-important aspect of this system was that the ladder lead somewhere.

Over the years, the standards of teaching have improved and teachers with little or no motivation have been largely weeded out. Teachers who beat the children just because they could (we used to get much of that) have had to mend their ways or get out.

But if I was asked to make one reform, just one, to the way that things are done today, I would just bring back the oldO and A-Level GCE papers from the 50's and 60's and curicula and set the pass and grade levels exactly where they used to be. That system provided so many of us with an opportunity that is being denided youngsters today.

I shall now go and get my breakfast!

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jaybee



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Re: NO REPLIES-nobody knows? or nobody cares?! new [Re: jaybee]
      #182905 - 16/09/05 10:14 AM
does anyone know where the hell my friends bass woofer is, he ordered it ages ago.


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jaybee



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Re: NO REPLIES-nobody knows? or nobody cares?! new [Re: jaybee]
      #182945 - 16/09/05 10:45 AM
As the sub bass frequencies are felt more than heard,it could be argued that if you can hear the sub clearly its too loud.So the suggestion of trial and error in your mix studio would seem appropriate. As we all understand the mix process the same applications could be used with the inclusion of the sub.So there,


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Re: NO REPLIES-nobody knows? or nobody cares?! new [Re: Ultimate Fish]
      #183012 - 16/09/05 12:30 PM
Quote Ultimate Fish:

Quote Hugh Robjohns:

That would be CSE exams, not the modern GCSE which is somewhat different. I sat my GCE O level in 1977 and we were the last year to use slide rules...




I was born in 1977




I wasn't even born in 1977...

What's a 'slide rule'?

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Edited by Paws (16/09/05 12:35 PM)


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Re: NO REPLIES-nobody knows? or nobody cares?! new [Re: The Byre]
      #183017 - 16/09/05 12:38 PM
>(Seablade and UF-Bender are up early!)

US idijit here;) And one that doesnt sleep much at that. Just got done with a late call when I was there;)

And please, no talking about the 80s... that is a time I would rather forget;)

Seablade

PS If I am understanding correctly on the exams you are referring to the US equivalent would be the SOLs which started a few years back, unfortunatly I consider them the worst thing to happen to the US educational system, as they forced many good teachers I know to stop teaching HOW things worked and instead just forcing you to memorize that they did work. School became less of an exploration into knowledge and more just a memorization procedure.


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Re: NO REPLIES-nobody knows? or nobody cares?! new [Re: Paws]
      #183018 - 16/09/05 12:41 PM
Quote Paws:

What's a 'slide rule'?




Only one person allowed up the steps at a time, and no shoes.


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Re: NO REPLIES-nobody knows? or nobody cares?! new [Re: Hugh Robjohns]
      #183099 - 16/09/05 02:52 PM
Quote Hugh Robjohns] we were the last year to use slide rules...






Slide rule? Pah, that’s modern technology; we used an abacus before moving on to a comptometer.

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Re: NO REPLIES-nobody knows? or nobody cares?! new [Re: jaybee]
      #183232 - 16/09/05 07:32 PM
Jaybee, F*** off back to disneyland.

Edited by Hugh Robjohns (17/09/05 07:00 PM)


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Re: NO REPLIES-nobody knows? or nobody cares?! new [Re: __]
      #183234 - 16/09/05 07:38 PM
Quote ow:

Quote Paws:

What's a 'slide rule'?




Only one person allowed up the steps at a time, and no shoes.




Sorry man that was two slide rules.


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Re: NO REPLIES-nobody knows? or nobody cares?! new [Re: The Byre]
      #183356 - 17/09/05 12:38 AM
Quote The Byre:

I have seen the UK, the The French and the German systems and the UK system (the system, remember) was the best.




I just read a piece in The Economist titled "Secrets of sucess" and it is subtitled "America's system of higher eduction is the best in the world. That is because there is no system"....


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Re: NO REPLIES-nobody knows? or nobody cares?! new [Re: Tim.]
      #183399 - 17/09/05 08:17 AM
Quote Tim Rainey:

Quote Hugh Robjohns] we were the last year to use slide rules...






Slide rule? Pah, that’s modern technology; we used an abacus before moving on to a comptometer.

:


im ;o)





Yes, BUT:

The Abacus is Digital, and the Slide Rule is Analogue. So you get a much warmer mathematical result, which is far more pleasing.

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Re: NO REPLIES-nobody knows? or nobody cares?! new [Re: __]
      #183445 - 17/09/05 11:41 AM
Quote ow:

Ahem, i sat mine in '78 and we used slide rules




Sat mine in 1981 and we used slide rules. My (private) school wanted to be sure of a good supply of past papers for us to practice with before switching to tests using calculators. Slide rulers were very cool.


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Re: NO REPLIES-nobody knows? or nobody cares?! new [Re: jaybee]
      #183544 - 17/09/05 07:06 PM
Just to bring the delightful reminiscing back to reality for a brief moment...

Quote jaybee:

As the sub bass frequencies are felt more than heard,it could be argued that if you can hear the sub clearly its too loud.




You could argue it, but you'd be wrong. Subwoofers generally crossover somewhere between 120 and 80Hz. Sometimes a little higher if part of a system with tiny satellite speakers. You can definitely *hear* these frequencies.

Quote:

So the suggestion of trial and error in your mix studio would seem appropriate.




Only if you are an amatuer. The correct way to align a subwoofer has been described already. All you need is a source of band-limited pink noise, a sound pressure level meter, and a little technical understanding and knowledge. Those with considerable experience of aligning sub woofers may well be able to get reasonable results by ear using familiar material, but the noise/meter approach is the only accurate way.

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Re: NO REPLIES-nobody knows? or nobody cares?! new [Re: Hugh Robjohns]
      #183638 - 18/09/05 09:23 AM
I presume jaybee is

http://musicteachers.co.uk/teacher/d7049b6e8a0b96ec6c5d

...and also


http://www.jazzservices.org.uk/rec/291.htm


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Re: NO REPLIES-nobody knows? or nobody cares?! new [Re: The Byre]
      #184033 - 19/09/05 11:40 AM
is this thread really still going on!?!?!?!


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Re: NO REPLIES-nobody knows? or nobody cares?! new [Re: jaybee]
      #184039 - 19/09/05 11:50 AM
Ah, that explains so much. Just throwing the sub somewhere in the room will be close enough for jazz.


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Re: NO REPLIES-nobody knows? or nobody cares?! new [Re: Stuart Dawson]
      #184225 - 19/09/05 04:12 PM


http://musicteachers.co.uk/teacher/d7049b6e8a0b96ec6c5d

Mmmmmmm, thanks S2 - just what I was looking for!

Jaybee - oops, sorry - Mr Mycroft, I see from your listing that you conduct lessons in Music Technology.

I'd like 60 minutes please. What do I get for my fifteen quid?


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Re: NO REPLIES-nobody knows? or nobody cares?! new [Re: jaybee]
      #184252 - 19/09/05 04:56 PM
Quote jaybee:

is this thread really still going on!?!?!?!




I was wondering the same thing, although I imagine for different reasons.



Quote reid:

What do I get for my fifteen quid?




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Re: NO REPLIES-nobody knows? or nobody cares?! new [Re: Michael Harrison]
      #184534 - 20/09/05 08:47 AM
Quote Michael Harrison:

Quote reid:

What do I get for my fifteen quid?




Robbed!




Excellent! Very good...

Sad, but probably true!

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Re: NO REPLIES-nobody knows? or nobody cares?! new [Re: Hugh Robjohns]
      #184544 - 20/09/05 09:07 AM
Oh well, there goes his piano teaching business... teach him to argue wont it!


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Re: NO REPLIES-nobody knows? or nobody cares?! new [Re: jaybee]
      #184571 - 20/09/05 09:43 AM
Quote jaybee:

re: what is the corredt level for the sub-woofer when mixing in 2:1. I'm in the music technology staff room at our college. nobody here knows, does anyone have the answer?!?




Which note on the piano do I hit to make it sound jazzy?

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Re: NO REPLIES-nobody knows? or nobody cares?! new [Re: jaybee]
      #184601 - 20/09/05 10:33 AM
S2, why that person? It seems totally random. Unproven, and an unfair allegation that this person is incapable as a teacher.

This seems actionable, to me.

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Re: NO REPLIES-nobody knows? or nobody cares?! new [Re: jaybee]
      #184611 - 20/09/05 10:52 AM
Hear! Hear! Words of wisdom from Mr. Johnson.
Those interested in detective work like Sherlock S2, I would like to remind about existence of the TELEPHONE.
Or at least an e-mail.

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Re: NO REPLIES-nobody knows? or nobody cares?! new [Re: Guy Johnson]
      #184626 - 20/09/05 11:09 AM
Quote Guy Johnson:

S2, why that person? It seems totally random. Unproven, and an unfair allegation that this person is incapable as a teacher.

This seems actionable, to me.

G




1) the person using the ID Jaybee claims to be this person in his ID profile , it doesn't take any detective work to look that up, just click on his "Name" in a post.

2) NONE of the above thread shows the man in question to be incompetent, or even less than brilliant, as a Jazz Piano teacher, or teacher of music theory and practice in general. But there are definite questions about the technical side of his competency to be teaching Music TECHNOLOGY.

3) however, "his" antics in this thread and elsewhere do raise concerns about this user ID in a number of ways... We have considered contacting the college involved. Partly because it's quite possible for it to be a student, current or past, pretending to be a member of staff. which if someone (other than us... we already know) works out , and publishes which college it is, will not do them any favours...
This decision has not yet been made.... but probably isn't all that far off.

However, in the interests of many things, not the least of which is peace and quiet.... I'm locking this thread... it serves no useful purpose other than to stir up crud and bile.

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