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Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
#635668 - 10/07/08 12:13 PM
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Hi,
I'm sorry if this is the wrong section, the 1604vlz by Mackie is not new
but probably not vintage yet but as its discontinued, I was hoping this would be an
appropriate place for this post.
I left a 1604 on overnight and the next
morning found that it had shut down by itself and will not power up now. I suspect
overheating (the room was very warm when I came in in the morning).
I have
checked the fuse and it is still good.
Could anyone advise me on a possible
fault and any possible DIY fixes?
Thank you for your time.
ken
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: ken long]
#635691 - 10/07/08 01:34 PM
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You've checked the obvious: checking the mains supply, and using a different power cord?
I doubt that your room reached temperatures that would be detrimental to the Mackie,
unless you left it in the sun or some similar condition.
Prior to this, have
you had problems?
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: ken long]
#635704 - 10/07/08 02:15 PM
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Unless you know what you are doing, forget about the DIY approach. Take it to a qualified
technician.
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: Jeraldo]
#635711 - 10/07/08 02:26 PM
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Quote Jeraldo:
You've checked the
obvious: checking the mains supply, and using a different power cord?
Yup.
Jeraldo Quote:
I doubt that your room reached temperatures
that would be detrimental to the Mackie
That's what I thought and the manual says it can easily be left
on for days on end.
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Jeraldo:
Prior to this, have you had problems?
I don't use it very often nor intensively
but I've never had any issues.
Thanks for your time and reply.
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: Tui]
#635716 - 10/07/08 02:29 PM
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Hi Tui,
Well there can't be too many reasons why its gone down and I suspect
its down to the power supply somehow but I was really after confirmation from someone who
may have had this happen to them and what steps they took to resolve the problem. If its
a quick, easy fix, I would prefer to do it myself.
Thanks for your time and
reply.
ken
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: ken long]
#635727 - 10/07/08 02:52 PM
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Ken,
When you say you checked the fuse, I take it you checked the fuse in the 3
pin plug as well as the mixer's internal fuse?
Mike.
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: Mike Craig]
#635731 - 10/07/08 02:59 PM
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Quote Mike Craig.:
...as
well as the mixer's internal fuse?
Non. . Is this the same type as the one from the plug (i.e. Slo Blo???). Is it
user serviceable?
Thanks Mike.
ken
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: ken long]
#635735 - 10/07/08 03:06 PM
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The internal fuse is rated at just 0.5 amps.
DISCONNECT THE MACKIE FROM THE
MAINS BEFORE OPENING THE FUSE DRAWER.
The fuse drawer is just below where the
power chord plugs into the desk.
You can test the fuse using a fluke
(multimeter).
If you need to replace it, use a 0.5A (500mA) SLO BLO 5x20mm
fuse.
NOTE: THIS FUSE RATING ONLY APPLIES TO 240V MACKIE MIXERS.
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: Mike Craig]
#635746 - 10/07/08 03:29 PM
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Quote Mike Craig.:
The internal
fuse is rated at just 0.5 amps.
DISCONNECT THE MACKIE FROM THE MAINS BEFORE
OPENING THE FUSE DRAWER.
The fuse drawer is just below where the power chord
plugs into the desk.
You can test the fuse using a fluke (multimeter).
If you need to replace it, use a 0.5A (500mA) SLO BLO 5x20mm fuse.
NOTE: THIS
FUSE RATING ONLY APPLIES TO 240V MACKIE MIXERS.
Sorry Mike, I should have been more clear. that is the fuse I
checked. Where is the other one located?
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: ken long]
#635796 - 10/07/08 05:22 PM
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Ken,
If you have checked the fuse in the 3 pin plug and also the 0.5A fuse
within the unit, then you have checked both fuses.
There are no other user
servicable parts with this desk, to my knowledge.
COntact Loud Technologies,
who are the authorized Technical Support people for Mackie in the UK.
[Email]
euservice@loudtechinc.com
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: ken long]
#635811 - 10/07/08 06:03 PM
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Mike... Ken is in South Africa.
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: Steve Hill]
#635815 - 10/07/08 06:07 PM
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Quote Steve Hill:
Mike... Ken is
in South Africa.
My location
clearly states The Orient. Or is this a veiled reference to an earlier posting of mine?
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: Mike Craig]
#635819 - 10/07/08 06:14 PM
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Quote Mike Craig.:
COntact Loud Technologies, who are the authorized Technical Support people for Mackie in
the UK.
[Email] euservice@loudtechinc.com
Thanks! I did! I got their details from
the Mackie website. I found a soemone who will service it not to far from me (Essex,
because I live in East London ). I
thought perhaps I could do it myself.
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: ken long]
#635957 - 11/07/08 05:18 AM
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There seem to be a lot of you guys out there who think that "servicing" an amp is a DIY
job for someone with zero electronic skills. Firstly, in 100% of cases, if an amp
stops running it is not a case of servicing, but repairing something, even if that
something IS only a fuse that has blown. Fuses blow for a reason. They are in the
circuit expressly to stop a localised failure taking out the whole shebang. If you
know nothing about electonics (as opposed to being able to change a fuse or fit a plug)
you really should leave it to a pro. This is dangerous stuff, folks.
And
once again I will reiterate what I have said many times on here. Non-valve audio has no
need of regular servicing, despite anything you are told by so-called engineers.
There isn`t usually anything inside the box that is going to wear out and need replacing
automatically.
The only way you can be sure that a part needs replacing in
electronics is when that part dies.
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: IvanSC]
#636000 - 11/07/08 08:53 AM
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Changing the internal fuse on a Mackie 1604 VLZ PRO is a simple task that should be within
the capabilities of most people who have even a modest level of technical knowledge. If a mixer seems dead, then I would definately suggest checking the fuse before
calling in the professionals, remembering to disconnect the mixer from the mains
supply. In fact, that's what it tells you to do in the manual. http://www.mackie.com/pdf/1604vlzpro_om.pdfIf you replace
the fuse and it blows again, then as Ivan says, call in the pros.
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: IvanSC]
#636008 - 11/07/08 09:10 AM
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Quote IvanSC:
There seem to be a
lot of you guys out there who think that "servicing" an amp is a DIY job for someone with
zero electronic skills.
Mince
alors! I'm not completely inept thank you!
Quote IvanSC:
Firstly, in 100% of cases, if an amp stops
running it is not a case of servicing, but repairing something, even if that something IS
only a fuse that has blown.
Yes. That's what I want to do.
Quote
IvanSC:
The only way you can be sure that a part needs replacing
in electronics is when that part dies.
Agreed. In my case its most likely the power supply and it
shouldn't be rocket science to replace.
I hope you can appreciate that I don't
want to ask someone else to repair it when the job is likely to cost half what we paid for
the unit in the first place.
Thanks for your input.
ken
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
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#636146 - 11/07/08 01:52 PM
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I guess the point is, if you are technically competent, you might be able to save a few
£s by repairing it yourself. However, should there be the slightest doubt that you might
not fully understand all relevant issues to do with mains wiring and grounding, you might
in the end pay for any errors not with £s, but with a few decades of your life span.
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: Tui]
#638511 - 18/07/08 01:22 PM
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Well, sorry to dissappoint the nay sayers but have managed to pinpoint the problem down to
the transformer and not the circuit board. Sure it took me while but I've saved money by
doing it myself wiht a little common sense (and a little help from my friends!).
Anyway, its probably the thermal cutoffs and so I'll need to replace the entire
transformer as they aren't accessible.
Its made by BILLION and its part number
appears to be 600-006-01. I've been googling but this company doesn't seem to come up.
Could anyone help?
Thanks for your time.
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: ken long]
#638538 - 18/07/08 02:07 PM
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Do you really think anybody here is going to be stupid enough to give you "advice" about
how to mess around with the mains wiring of your gear? It's bad enough that you insist on
behaving irresponsibly, considering that you obviously lack training and qualifications in
servicing electronic equipment.
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[Re: ken long]
#638545 - 18/07/08 02:15 PM
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Ken, I have followed your plight with interest. Your ability to track down the
component in question shows your competence is greater than we initially suspected. You can send Billion an email, to find out if a replacement transformer is
available (make sure the health and safety police aren't watching  ): sales@billion.com
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: Tui]
#638546 - 18/07/08 02:20 PM
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Quote Tui:
Do you really think
anybody here is going to be stupid enough to give you "advice" about how to mess around
with the mains wiring of your gear?
I never asked for that. If you're not going to be helpful, probably best you
refrain from posting replies. You certainly bring nothing to this thread and I don't
appreciate your tone.
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
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#638549 - 18/07/08 02:22 PM
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Thanks for the email address Mike.
FYI, I won't be replacing the transformer
myself. Contrary to whatever others may think, I do know my limitations.
Thank
you all for warning me of the potential hazards and any help you've offered me.
Much appreciated,
ken
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
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#638561 - 18/07/08 02:46 PM
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Quote Mike Craig.:
Ken,
I have followed your plight with interest. Your ability to track down the component in
question shows your competence is greater than we initially suspected.
You can
send Billion an email, to find out if a replacement transformer is available (make sure
the health and safety police aren't watching ):
sales@billion.com
I was wrong. Somebody was stupid enough.
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
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#638563 - 18/07/08 02:50 PM
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Quote Ken Long:
Quote Tui:
Do you really think
anybody here is going to be stupid enough to give you "advice" about how to mess around
with the mains wiring of your gear?
I never asked for that. If you're not going to be helpful, probably best you
refrain from posting replies. You certainly bring nothing to this thread and I don't
appreciate your tone.
ken
Do you have any idea that SOS could be held liable for
publishing "advice" that might be a risk to public safety? Obviously not.
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[Re: Tui]
#638568 - 18/07/08 02:58 PM
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Quote Tui:
Quote Ken Long:
Quote Tui:
Do you really think
anybody here is going to be stupid enough to give you "advice" about how to mess around
with the mains wiring of your gear?
I never asked for that. If you're not going to be helpful, probably best you
refrain from posting replies. You certainly bring nothing to this thread and I don't
appreciate your tone.
ken
Do you have any idea that SOS could be held liable for publishing "advice" that
might be a risk to public safety? Obviously not.
Is that so? Guess you haven't read their disclaimers:
YOU remain personally responsible for the content of your messages, and you agree to
indemnify and hold harmless SOS Publications Limited and Infopop Corporation (the makers
of UBB.threads forum software), and their agents with respect to any claim based upon
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message. The messages express the views of the author of the message, not necessarily the
views of SOS Publications or any entity associated with the SOS Forum.
However
the rules do state that you shouldn't insult other people. Like calling them 'stupid' for
instance.
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
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#638571 - 18/07/08 03:04 PM
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A little while ago, we had a thread about grounding that was far less contentious than
this one. It was locked by the mods, and rightly so.
How would you describe
the act of giving potentially dangerous advice to complete strangers, over the net no
less?
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[Re: ken long]
#638575 - 18/07/08 03:10 PM
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Good luck Ken.
Tui, I would never encourage anyone to service or repair
electrical equipment containing lethal voltages unless they have demonstated the necessary
competence.
I think my previous posts reflect this.
I can't remember
the last time anyone called me "stupid", but I am certainly not going to rise to it on
this occasion.
Ken, establish whether a replacement transformer is available
then send me a PM - don't try and fix it yourself.
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#638580 - 18/07/08 03:18 PM
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Quote Mike Craig.:
Tui, I
would never encourage anyone to service or repair electrical equipment containing lethal
voltages unless they have demonstated the necessary competence.
You contradict yourself, since you have done
just that.
Quote Mike Craig.:
I can't remember the last time anyone called me "stupid", but I am certainly not going
to rise to it on this occasion.
I have no interest in insulting you, or anybody else.
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
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#638622 - 18/07/08 05:01 PM
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get a life tui
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
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#639774 - 22/07/08 03:33 PM
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Well, Billion don't have it in stock but said they can source one for $60 including air
freight - that is, assuming its all down to the transformer. I must admit I'm
rather exasperated at the prospect of losing this mixer over such a trivial issue  . Unfortunately, it appears that repairing it will end up costing more than its worth. So I was wondering what I could do with it? eBay for parts? Any suggestions? Thanks ken
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: ken long]
#639942 - 23/07/08 07:54 AM
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$60 seems a reasonable cost to me - a new mixer would set you back a fair bit more than
that. The only other alternative would be to find a faulty mixer with a good transformer
and make one good mixer out of two faulty ones. Cheers James.
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#639980 - 23/07/08 10:18 AM
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Hi James,
Thanks for the advice. As I said, I won't be replacing the
transformer myself so will also need to add manual labour to that cost. I can see it
escalating rapidly.
I will look into sourcing a faulty mixer and gutting it.
Thanks again,
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
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I came on this thread late but I find it amazing that something as simple as replacing a
faulty power supply transformer should be considered an issue of public safety or a source
of controversy. For crying out loud, I built my first mains-powered radio kit at age 10
and no one made a fuss about it. Ham radio operators and high school science fair
contestants do it every day. What's the big deal about unsoldering a couple of wires,
swapping the new transformer for the old, and redoing the solder connections? We're
talking basic electronics skills, not nuclear reactor engineering. I'd certainly check
the old transformer output with a multimeter to make sure that's really the problem before
spending the money for a new one but aside from that, replacing it is really not any more
of an arcane safety issue nor technically more complex than soldering an XLR connector to
a mic cable. Why the paranoia?
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: Tui]
#641010 - 26/07/08 10:48 PM
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Quote Tui:
I have
no interest in insulting you, or anybody else.
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
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Quote Steve House:
What's the
big deal about unsoldering a couple of wires, swapping the new transformer for the old,
and redoing the solder connections? We're talking basic electronics skills, not nuclear
reactor engineering.
Thank
you.
Quote Steve House:
I'd certainly check the old transformer output with a multimeter to make sure
that's really the problem
Done did this. Thanks. It is the transformer.
Quote Steve House:
replacing it is really not any more of
an arcane safety issue nor technically more complex than soldering an XLR connector to a
mic cable. Why the paranoia?
I'm not sure and on a pro audio forum, it baffles me. I was very grateful for the
warnings but hadn't anticipated the trolling.
FWIW, I make my own cables and
I'm not looking to re-invent the wheel. Just dismantle, repair, and re assemble, switch
on and get on with it.
Thanks for your input on the matter.
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
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#641052 - 27/07/08 08:12 AM
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Well, that's great. So everybody with a soldering iron and a screwdriver can come here
and get free advice for how to fix the mains wiring of their gear. I just needed to know
that. Strange though, that a thread about grounding was considered potentially too
confusing and harmful to run on this forum.
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: Tui]
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Quote Tui:
Well, that's great.
So everybody with a soldering iron and a screwdriver can come here and get free advice for
how to fix the mains wiring of their gear. I just needed to know that.
Glad you've been enlightened.
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: Tui]
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Quote Tui:
Well, that's great.
So everybody with a soldering iron and a screwdriver can come here and get free advice for
how to fix the mains wiring of their gear. I just needed to know that. Strange though,
that a thread about grounding was considered potentially too confusing and harmful to run
on this forum.
It's not
like we were talking about re-engineering the device or cooking up some cockamamie
modification. It's simply swapping out a faulty component and replacing it with an
identical good one, using common sense and a few basic electronics skills. It requires
care and paying attention to what you're doing but it isn't some exotic procedure that
requires years of specialized training. If you were an engineer at a radio station or
recording studio faced with a down audio desk in one of the studios due to a faulty
transformer and you told the station manager you'd have to send it out for repair you'd be
laughed out of the office.
I do agree with your surprise over the grounding
issue thread - I don't recall the thread so can't speak to it - but I reiterate that the
safety issues and skills being discussed are no different from those of every kid that
ever built a ham radio station or put together a Heathkit audio amplifier or TV set (back
in the day when Heath was in business).
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
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Quote Steve House:
Quote Tui:
Well, that's great.
So everybody with a soldering iron and a screwdriver can come here and get free advice for
how to fix the mains wiring of their gear. I just needed to know that. Strange though,
that a thread about grounding was considered potentially too confusing and harmful to run
on this forum.
It's not
like we were talking about re-engineering the device or cooking up some cockamamie
modification. It's simply swapping out a faulty component and replacing it with an
identical good one, using common sense and a few basic electronics skills. It requires
care and paying attention to what you're doing but it isn't some exotic procedure that
requires years of specialized training. If you were an engineer at a radio station or
recording studio faced with a down audio desk in one of the studios due to a faulty
transformer and you told the station manager you'd have to send it out for repair you'd be
laughed out of the office.
I do agree with your surprise over the grounding
issue thread - I don't recall the thread so can't speak to it - but I reiterate that the
safety issues and skills being discussed are no different from those of every kid that
ever built a ham radio station or put together a Heathkit audio amplifier or TV set (back
in the day when Heath was in business).
I can only speak for myself, but I find it bizarre to discuss
the details of replacing a mains transformer on a "Music Recording Technology" forum. Or
is this also a electronics DIY forum?
To be clear, I usually make my own
analogue cables, and I know how to solder. Big deal. But I find it irresponsible to
trade tips about changing a transformer over the net with someone - the OP - who is
clearly not versed or qualified in this field, for otherwise he wouldn't be asking so many
questions. A replacement transformer might look very different from the original, it
might follow a different design with different contact points for the mains and grounding
leads. Replacing the transformer might require the full training of a qualified engineer.
We don't know for sure, do we.
Why don't we stick to discussing the sort of
wiring that hasn't got the potential to blow up in your face? When one of the mods
(Hugh?) locked the grounding thread, I was half disappointed because I would have liked to
learn more about it. At the same time, I realised that this forum isn't the place to get
into specifics about it. There is a real possibility that someone might start to
experiment with what they've read here, and make a terrible mistake. I commend the mod(s)
for locking the thread.
As they say, a little knowledge is a dangerous
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: Tui]
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Quote Tui:
I can only
speak for myself, but I find it bizarre to discuss the details of replacing a mains
transformer on a "Music Recording Technology" forum. Or is this also a electronics DIY
forum?
Yes. You only
speak for yourself. And its a little tired now. I've asked you previously to refrain
from posting on this thread if you have nothing useful to add.
Quote Tui:
Why don't we
stick to discussing the sort of wiring that hasn't got the potential to blow up in your
face? When one of the mods (Hugh?) locked the grounding thread, I was half disappointed
because I would have liked to learn more about it. At the same time, I realised that this
forum isn't the place to get into specifics about it. There is a real possibility that
someone might start to experiment with what they've read here, and make a terrible
mistake. I commend the mod(s) for locking the thread.
In case you hadn't noticed, a moderator has
contributed to this thread. And positively, I might add.
Quote Tui:
As they say, a
little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
Man, you really gotta lay off them Thai sticks.
ken
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[Re: Steve House]
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Quote Steve House:
I came on this
thread late but I find it amazing that something as simple as replacing a faulty power
supply transformer should be considered an issue of public safety or a source of
controversy.
This is mainly
down to the fact that most members of this forum wouldn't know one end of a mains
transformer from the other. In this day and age where safety conciousness is paramount,
any responsible person giving advice on a forum like this has to make readers aware that
modifying mains powered gear should only be undertaken by those with suitable
knowledge.
When I learned electronics, basic power supply design was one of the
first things I learned about. I suspect many others learned electronics in a similar way.
I would therefore assume that someone having to ask about power supply design doesn't have
a great deal of electronics knowledge.
We're not living in the mid 20th century
where the odd electric shock was considered normal - in the 21st century giving advice
that could lead to an electric shock could lead to severe repercussions. That's why people
are more careful now (in public).
Cheers
James.
-------------------- JRP Music - Audio Mastering and Restoration.
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: ken long]
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Thanks for the clarification, James.
Needless to say, I don't appreciate
being heckled for expressing my genuine concern about potentially lethal DIY ventures. As
I said before, a replacement transformer might have different specs and follow a different
design. Simply imitating the connectivity might not be appropriate.
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: Tui]
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Quote Tui:
Thanks for the
clarification, James.
Needless to say, I don't appreciate being heckled for
expressing my genuine concern about potentially lethal DIY ventures. As I said before, a
replacement transformer might have different specs and follow a different design. Simply
imitating the connectivity might not be appropriate.
Totally legitimate concern Tui. And I support you on the
sentiment. I think the problem is more down to the fact that many here find you brusque,
rude and a little "running hot and cold" - one day your cordial, the next you're just....
well .....i'll leave that one.
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: narcoman]
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Quote narcoman:
many here find
you
Interesting. Are you
now some kind of spokesperson for "many here"?
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: Tui]
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Quote Tui:
Thanks for the
clarification, James.
Needless to say, I don't appreciate being heckled for
expressing my genuine concern about potentially lethal DIY ventures. As I said before, a
replacement transformer might have different specs and follow a different design. Simply
imitating the connectivity might not be appropriate.
All points duly noted... yet again.
You might consider
that its not what you say but how you say it. There's no harm in maintaining a modicum of
civility.
ken
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: ken long]
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Quote Ken Long:
a modicum of
civility.
I should
hope this also extends to the person who mentioned "Thai sticks".
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: ken long]
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Bloody hell, put your handbags away you two!
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: Sam York]
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Quote Sam York:
Bloody hell, put
your handbags away you two!
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: Tui]
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Quote Tui:
Quote Ken Long:
a modicum of
civility.
I should
hope this also extends to the person who mentioned "Thai sticks".
Courtesy is a two way street.
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: Tui]
#641844 - 29/07/08 05:10 PM
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Quote Tui:
Quote narcoman:
many here find
you
Interesting. Are you
now some kind of spokesperson for "many here"?
Take a vote on it if you like.
Troll.
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: ken long]
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Seconded, narcoman.
Still not sure 2 of us count as 'many' though
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: ken long]
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Its not what you say, its the way you say it - Tui, you come across with all of the tact
and conversational richness of a brick.
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: narcoman]
#641867 - 29/07/08 06:41 PM
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Quote narcoman:
Troll.
You are not
serious, are you? If you are, you can shove it. Who do you actually think you are?
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: benniferj]
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Quote benniferj:
Its not what you
say, its the way you say it - Tui, you come across with all of the tact and conversational
richness of a brick.
Is
that right? I'm sorry if I offended your sensibilities.
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: ken long]
#641870 - 29/07/08 06:45 PM
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Can I just say, to the mods, that I'm pretty much sick of the personal attacks. If people
can't stick to discussing "Music Recording Technology" (remember, that's the theme for
this forum), they should perhaps find a different hobby.
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: ken long]
#641885 - 29/07/08 07:37 PM
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my point exactly Tui. Your personal attacks on people and your "holier than thou" attitude
are offensive and frankly rude. I HAVE had enough of you - I've defended your right to
your opinion in the past - but your just a very rude individual. I really wish you weren't
on this site - but you are. I'll just ignore you in future. Look for trouble
elsewhere.
Your delusions now extend to asking the moderators for assistance.
Well, I'll stop short of that. Many people here have already read your trouble making
posts. Grow up or go away.
As for hobby - some of us, in fact
generally the ones you insult, are professionals in the business.
Right - me
and you don't get on. CLearly. We'll leave it at that.
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: ken long]
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Oh - and by way of example.
Read my post above where I supported your
response to the "electrical shock" issues. Then look at the only thing you responded
to...
Your firecracker responses are tiresome - some of us give up
professional time to help others around here. Heck - some of us even give some of he
students work experience or project paid jobs... So the next time you get fired up and
demand "who are you" consider that some of us PUT MONEY and TIME into helping people with
music related issues. Condescension is vitriol..... and the playspace of sad little men
who "won't be told "..... so pack it in.
Please.
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: James Perrett]
#641891 - 29/07/08 08:01 PM
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Ok Gents, pants down
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: ken long]
#641898 - 29/07/08 08:29 PM
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What is the matter with some of the people here? Haven't you got anything constructive to
do? I've just come home, after playing two gigs in one night, and I've had a fantastic
time. Everybody was friendly and complementary. And then, just to wind down for a little
while before going to sleep, I log on here and have to read all this crap? What is this,
group therapy?
I started posting on this thread because it seemed
irresponsible to give incomplete and potentially misleading advice about replacing a
transformer over the net to someone. I stand by that. I was genuinely concerned, that's
all. The OP can thank me later for my concern - yeah, I know, I'm not going to hold my
breath. I seem to have stumbled across a bunch of angry people who can't see the woods
for the trees.
Narco, the only person trolling here is you right now. If you
go back to the beginning of this thread and read my posts, you'll notice that I initially,
very gently, tried to steer the OP away from starting a potently harmful DIY job. I know
he's trying to save money, and that's cool, however I think one's mains transformers are
the wrong place to start saving money - unless you know exactly what you're doing. The OP
clearly does not - that's not an insult, but a simple observation. Encouraging him to
fiddle around with the insides of his gear seems wrong to me. I've said so several times,
and I'll say it again. If you don't like it, then I can't help you.
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: Tui]
#641903 - 29/07/08 08:38 PM
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Quote Tui:
What is the matter
with some of the people here? Haven't you got anything constructive to do? I've just
come home, after playing two gigs in one night, and I've had a fantastic time. Everybody
was friendly and complementary. And then, just to wind down for a little while before
going to sleep, I log on here and have to read all this crap? What is this, group
therapy?
I started posting on this thread because it seemed irresponsible to
give incomplete and potentially misleading advice about replacing a transformer over the
net to someone. I stand by that. I was genuinely concerned, that's all. The OP can
thank me later for my concern - yeah, I know, I'm not going to hold my breath. I seem to
have stumbled across a bunch of angry people who can't see the woods for the trees.
Narco, the only person trolling here is you right now. If you go back to the
beginning of this thread and read my posts, you'll notice that I initially, very gently,
tried to steer the OP away from starting a potently harmful DIY job. I know he's trying
to save money, and that's cool, however I think one's mains transformers are the wrong
place to start saving money - unless you know exactly what you're doing. The OP clearly
does not - that's not an insult, but a simple observation. Encouraging him to fiddle
around with the insides of his gear seems wrong to me. I've said so several times, and
I'll say it again. If you don't like it, then I can't help you.
When you're in a hole....
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: Tui]
#641904 - 29/07/08 08:48 PM
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Unfortunately when it is one against the World usually it is the one that is out to lunch.
Even though your initial concern and overall suggestions regarding safety are
accurate and considerate you completely lack the ability to communicate them in any manner
other than that you are the greatest and everybody should bow to your feet, arguing or
getting upset at your tone is unacceptable and inspires debate from you.
I am
going to stand up for Narcoman here as he has always been nothing but overly helpful and
absolutely considerate to me and everybody else. If he gets a little pushy or short it is
because the other person deserves it. Narcoman is definitely not trolling, and never is.
Seeing that he is asked for in thread titles to help clarify stuff while your expertise is
never sought, only further strengthens his point.
The OP seemed to understand
his abilities and knew how far to take them. A simple reminder to him and everyone else
reading the post about how dangerous it could be was all that was needed, nothing more.
But to all of a sudden get your panties in a bunch because a few people chose
to challenge or disregard to what extent the OP should follow your instructions seems a
little immature and quite frankly out of place.
I am no expert and am only
providing an outside opinion late in this thread as to how I perceive the posts.
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: A Non O Miss]
#641908 - 29/07/08 09:10 PM
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Quote A Non O' Miss:
The
OP seemed to understand his abilities and knew how far to take them. A simple reminder to
him and everyone else reading the post about how dangerous it could be was all that was
needed, nothing more.
You are plain wrong. Earlier on, James stated: "I would therefore assume that someone
having to ask about power supply design doesn't have a great deal of electronics
knowledge."
That's not the sort of person you give a "simple reminder" to.
It's the sort of person you tell to take his gear to an electronics repair shop.
Besides... Who are you? Since you say you are "no expert", what makes you think
I want or need your advice about what I should, or shouldn't post? The last time I
checked, it was Ian's prerogative to make the rules.
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: ken long]
#641909 - 29/07/08 09:15 PM
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I'll just keep my opinion on the above to myself and get back to the topic.
Hi
Ken
If you're going to get someone to fit the transformer it may be worth
speaking to them before you order one from the US they may be able to source one
cheaper.
Hope it works out
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: Tui]
#641911 - 29/07/08 09:22 PM
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Quote:
You are plain wrong.
Earlier on, James stated: " I would therefore assume that someone having to ask about
power supply design doesn't have a great deal of electronics knowledge."
That's
not the sort of person you give a "simple reminder" to. It's the sort of person you tell
to take his gear to an electronics repair shop.
Besides... Who are you? Since
you say you are "no expert", what makes you think I want or need your "advice" about what
I should, or shouldn't post? The last time I checked, it was Ian's prerogative to make the
rules.
James says
"assumes" that is the key word there.
Who I am is unimportant, and only stated
that I am no expert so as not to be considered trolling, like you.
You do not
want anybodies opinion unless it makes you look good or agrees with you, however sometimes
you don't even want an opinion that agrees with you as earlier you cussed out Narcoman for
simply agreeing with you.
It is obvious that you are no expert, the fact that
you cannot publicly admit only makes you appear to be someone who has not achieved what
they think they should and are here only to make themselves feel better by appearing to be
someone who IS an expert. Your insecurity is blatantly obvious in every post. Get over the
fact that others here are smarter than you, more experienced than you and obviously much
more mature than you.
It takes a big man to accept criticism, unfortunately we
have found out where you fall.
Continue fighting the world and believing that
everyone else is wrong. Only until you look at yourself in the mirror and accept your
shortcomings will you become anywhere near what you think of yourself.
Happy
trolling Tui!
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: A Non O Miss]
#641915 - 29/07/08 09:25 PM
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-------------------- Anto mo Ninja, Watashi mo Ninja
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: ken long]
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This is some madhouse... Kind of entertaining though. I wonder who'll show up next -
Donald Duck?
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: Tui]
#641922 - 29/07/08 09:39 PM
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Quote:
This is some madhouse...
Kind of entertaining though. I wonder who'll show up next - Donald Duck?
Sorry they took my straight jacket off last
week so that madhouse reference isn't quite accurate anymore ;-)
Actually I saw
Micky heading this way not too long ago, he said him and daffy were coming to join me on
the rides...
Sorry Ken, I hate to litter your thread with meaningless
jibberish. I will remember to avoid Tui in the future. Not much good talking to someone
that only wants to hear themselves....
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: ken long]
#641925 - 29/07/08 09:51 PM
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OK, nite everyone, going to bed. Have fun while I'm away, don't overdo it - just don't do
anything I wouldn't do. You know what I mean. I'll have a look-in again tomorrow. (I'll
probably dream of giant killer transformers).
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: Tui]
#641931 - 29/07/08 10:10 PM
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Quote Tui:
What is the matter
with some of the people here? Haven't you got anything constructive to do? I've just
come home, after playing two gigs in one night, and I've had a fantastic time. Everybody
was friendly and complementary. And then, just to wind down for a little while before
going to sleep, I log on here and have to read all this crap? What is this, group
therapy?
I started posting on this thread because it seemed irresponsible to
give incomplete and potentially misleading advice about replacing a transformer over the
net to someone. I stand by that. I was genuinely concerned, that's all. The OP can
thank me later for my concern - yeah, I know, I'm not going to hold my breath. I seem to
have stumbled across a bunch of angry people who can't see the woods for the trees.
Narco, the only person trolling here is you right now. If you go back to the
beginning of this thread and read my posts, you'll notice that I initially, very gently,
tried to steer the OP away from starting a potently harmful DIY job. I know he's trying
to save money, and that's cool, however I think one's mains transformers are the wrong
place to start saving money - unless you know exactly what you're doing. The OP clearly
does not - that's not an insult, but a simple observation. Encouraging him to fiddle
around with the insides of his gear seems wrong to me. I've said so several times, and
I'll say it again. If you don't like it, then I can't help you.
Glad you had a great gig.
However in here - once again you fail to connect your dots. I SUPPORTED your message to
the original poster. This isn't about that. This is about your continual movement wind
people up. Hence the "trolling" comment. Okay - perhaps a bit strong - but you should
re-read your own posts. Now you're telling us (or perhaps just me) "what's wrong with you
lot" - it hasn't once crossed your mind in the number of crossed word encounters you have
in here (and you're pretty much the only one by the way) that it might be something with
your conduct in here and not the many others? This has been going on with you for a couple
of years now....
Right - done. This is very dull. No matter how many times I
commend your comments on the truth (your right on with the electrics thing) you seek
trouble. In person, you may be a great guy. You may have fab friends - heck - me and you
might even get on. But in these forums - you "act up" plenty.
Okay - moving
on.....
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: ken long]
#641939 - 29/07/08 10:46 PM
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Quote Tui:
I was genuinely
concerned, that's all. The OP can thank me later for my concern - yeah, I know, I'm not
going to hold my breath.
Quote Ken Long:
Thanks
for your time and reply.
Quote Ken Long:
Thank you
all for warning me of the potential hazards and any help you've offered me.
So I did take your warnings to heed
and thanked you for it. Why you couldn't leave it alone is beyond me. And now everyone
wants to voice their opinion on what is after all, a trite matter.
Its quite
embarrassing to have started a thread that has degenerated into exchanges of bile.
Please stop posting and I will do likewise. I have pinpointed the component that
needs replacing in my mixer and so there's no more point to this thread.
Thank
you.
ken
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: Steve House]
#641969 - 30/07/08 01:14 AM
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Quote Steve House:
I came on this
thread late but I find it amazing that something as simple as replacing a faulty power
supply transformer should be considered an issue of public safety or a source of
controversy. For crying out loud, I built my first mains-powered radio kit at age 10 and
no one made a fuss about it. Ham radio operators and high school science fair contestants
do it every day. What's the big deal about unsoldering a couple of wires, swapping the
new transformer for the old, and redoing the solder connections? We're talking basic
electronics skills, not nuclear reactor engineering. I'd certainly check the old
transformer output with a multimeter to make sure that's really the problem before
spending the money for a new one but aside from that, replacing it is really not any more
of an arcane safety issue nor technically more complex than soldering an XLR connector to
a mic cable. Why the paranoia?
I was also making my own electronic projects at an early age, and look at me ?
Tony.
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: ken long]
#642061 - 30/07/08 09:43 AM
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Quote Ken Long:
Quote Ken Long:
Thank you
all for warning me of the potential hazards and any help you've offered me.
Sorry, I missed that bit. Anyway, good luck with the repairs.
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daveyravey
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: Tui]
#642106 - 30/07/08 11:21 AM
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I have just tried changing my internal fuse on my Mackie. I think i may have done
something wrong,because i have just woken up on the other side of the room.
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IvanSC
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: ken long]
#642248 - 30/07/08 04:54 PM
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Tee hee! veddy funny!
Worst I ever did to myself was lean on some large
undischarged coupling caps on a valve amp. I was cleaning a desoldering pump at the
time and the shock pushed my hand forward & rammed the metal rod inside the solder
sucker right through the top of my thumb. Amazingly, no scar or anything left.
-------------------- Me? But I`m such a loveable old bugger!
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Mike Craig
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Re: Mackie Overheated. Advice Needed.
[Re: IvanSC]
#642281 - 30/07/08 06:32 PM
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Ouch!!
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