diogodasilva
Joined: 07/01/07
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Hello guys.
I am 22. Electronic Musician, Italian, currently living in Brazil.
I
have a degree in Advertising/Marketing but my real passion is music.
I
currently live from it actually. Tight budget but I am happy.
I always wanted
to take my audio career further and study on some audio school in the UK.
After
some small research I've found out about SAE Oxford, the new HQ.
At first it seemed
like a good idea. 3 years (Diploma, Degree, SAE Tonmeister) Quite expensive.. but their
marketing really almost fooled me.
When I deeply searched about it the
impression I have now is that almost everyone seems to have one single opinion: sae is not
worth it.
Then I recently I bumped into LIPA ...
Now peoples
opinions about this one is quite the opposite.
I read people saying they
actually read a CV if it comes from a Surrey Tonmeister or LIPA student.
Unfortunately Surrey is not an option as I don't have enough music grades.
I haven't found any topics discussing this SAE x LIPA
especifically.
I am not really new to audio.
What I want "now" is to learn
as much as I can for my own use actually. I don't plan on working on a studio... But as we
never know what will happen in the future, maybe I change my mind... or maybe the
electronic music I make turns over and dies.. who knows? I need a course that will get
deeply on the matters. not barely scratch the surface of many things (if you know what I
mean)
So I would like to know from u guys what do u think about it? Time nor
money are concern...
LIPA Sound Technology (3yrs) or SAE Tonmeister
(3yrs) ?
Thanks a lot in advance guys!
Looking forward for your replies!
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Hugh Robjohns
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My vote would be for LIPA.
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The Red Bladder
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Any CVs coming from SAE grads go straight into the bin here.
But the SAE lost a
legal battle to call their course 'Tonmeister' as that name is registered to Surrey
University and to the original Verein Deutsche Tonmeister (VDT) in Germany, of which I am
a member.
If they are still trying to call their three year course 'Tonmeister'
then they are disobeying a court order, as far as I am aware.
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Zukan
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Dio...........
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diogodasilva
Joined: 07/01/07
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Quote The Red Bladder:
Any CVs
coming from SAE grads go straight into the bin here.
But the SAE lost a legal
battle to call their course 'Tonmeister' as that name is registered to Surrey University
and to the original Verein Deutsche Tonmeister (VDT) in Germany, of which I am a
member.
If they are still trying to call their three year course 'Tonmeister'
then they are disobeying a court order, as far as I am aware.
wow didn't know that! ...
thanks for
your considerations guys.. anyone has another point of view?
thanks again!
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Matthias
Joined: 17/09/04
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Quote The Red Bladder:
But
the SAE lost a legal battle to call their course 'Tonmeister' as that name is registered
to Surrey University and to the original Verein Deutsche Tonmeister (VDT) in Germany, of
which I am a member.
If they are still trying to call their three year course
'Tonmeister' then they are disobeying a court order, as far as I am aware.
Hi there,
Unfortunately it seems that
you do not have your facts correct (as it happens frequently on the internet). We are
offering the "SAE-Tonmeister". This is a title registered to us and it is obviously not
the same as the University of Surrey qualification.
There has never been a legal
battle. Where did you get this idea from ? We are on very good terms with the VDT in
Germany. As you can see here: http://www.tonmeister.de/vdt/modules.php?file=content/foerderfirmen/index#
we are supporting the VDT and here: http://www.sae-alumni-convention.org/2008/index.php?p=bes&s=aus&m=
b - the VDT was exhibiting at the SAE Alumni Convention last week. So, you should be
more careful before making serious allegations.
Oh, regarding the bin: That may be
your practice but certainly not everyone's. Please see http://uk.sae-alumni.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=164
for a few examples.
Best regards,
Matthias Postel
Manager SAE
London
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diogodasilva
Joined: 07/01/07
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now this is getting interesting..
the impression I have is that SAE is not
"picky" enough regarding the application... all you gotta do is have the money... this can
lead into some problems like students who don't even know what they're doing from the
beginning... which will eventually slow down the pace of the class as it is not an
individual based course.
Of course not everyone is the same. In the end you
receive what you put into it.. but a more "selected" class room will help things go smooth
naturally.. you don't need to be rushing for information by yourself to keep your own
pace... if that was the case I would be much better off studying at home alone and
visiting some friends studio...
anyway.. can't wait for some other point of
views...
Edited by diogodasilva (24/10/08 03:32 AM)
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Matthias
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Hi diogodasilva,
It is not quite like the only thing you need is money. We do
have entry requirements, e.g. A-levels for the Recording Arts degree. However, it is no
secret (at least we don't make it one) that you do not need previous audio experience or
musical skills. This is a difference to other providers such as LIPA or
Surrey. It is well known that their entry requirements are a higher threshold and that
only few students are accepted.
For the past 30+ years our concept has worked in that
we manage to bring students of different levels up to a common professional standard. One
key element in this is individual practical time which allows for individual progress
pace.
This gives those that choose this path the opportunity to train on a wide range
of equipment of professional standard. A range of equipment that - as far as I can see -
is unrivalled in the UK.
At the end of the day everyone has the choice which path to
follow. I would recommend you visit institutions that you consider. For you as an
international student there is also the choice of other colleges we have all over the
world.
Regards,
Matthias Postel
Manager SAE London
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_ Six _
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SAE is just a jolly good day out at an audio amusement park. The qualifications aren't
worth the paper they're written on. I've learned more out of books and spent better money
on buying myself microphones and recording systems that i can KEEP!
Sorry
mate, I understand you're going to defend your course and your employer and I know one of
my old classmates at SAE Dubai who is working for a big name Islamic artist but the truth
is that SAE graduates are not valued in industry. My friend learned from his colleagues
and by teaching himself not from the tutors. He acknowledges that.
The SAE
diploma that I did was entertaining however it was very poorly organised, the staff were
not very clued up and the only thing I really got out of it was a few hours with a Neve
desk.... but to be fair I did pay a HUGE sum of money for that didn't I.
My
personal opinion is stay away from SAE unless you're doing it for entertainment purposes
only. Even then buy yourself some decent equipment and have as much entertainment you
like!
LIPA and Surrey are the only decent courses in the UK
worth considering if you want to WORK in professional audio and have a proper education in
the principals of the science.
Please correct me if I'm wrong!
PS I'm currently doing a BEng in Electronic Engineering at a Russel Group University so
please don't tell me that I don't have the technical ability or talent!
My
advice. Buy yourself a Pro Tools HD rig or a Mac/Logic with the £10000+ you'd spend at
SAE, subscribe to SOS and teach yourself.
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diogodasilva
Joined: 07/01/07
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Quote SixStringzzz:
SAE is just a
jolly good day out at an audio amusement park. The qualifications aren't worth the paper
they're written on. I've learned more out of books and spent better money on buying myself
microphones and recording systems that i can KEEP!
Sorry mate, I understand
you're going to defend your course and your employer and I know one of my old classmates
at SAE Dubai who is working for a big name Islamic artist but the truth is that SAE
graduates are not valued in industry. My friend learned from his colleagues and by
teaching himself not from the tutors. He acknowledges that.
The SAE diploma
that I did was entertaining however it was very poorly organised, the staff were not very
clued up and the only thing I really got out of it was a few hours with a Neve desk....
but to be fair I did pay a HUGE sum of money for that didn't I.
My personal
opinion is stay away from SAE unless you're doing it for entertainment purposes only. Even
then buy yourself some decent equipment and have as much entertainment you like!
LIPA and Surrey are the only decent courses in the UK worth considering if
you want to WORK in professional audio and have a proper education in the principals of
the science.
Please correct me if I'm wrong!
PS I'm currently
doing a BEng in Electronic Engineering at a Russel Group University so please don't tell
me that I don't have the technical ability or talent!
My advice. Buy yourself
a Pro Tools HD rig or a Mac/Logic with the £10000+ you'd spend at SAE, subscribe to SOS
and teach yourself.
Thank
you for your consideration...
Everything is heading to LIPA now...
I already own a decent studio and the quality of my music is on par with the
electronic music tunes being released internationally ...
But I don't want to
live this dj live forever.. gigs and more gigs, planes, jet lag... and on this life u rely
heavily on others (public, promoters...).. u never know tomorrow... and all this.. for
what? I am no superstar dj.. sometimes I feel it is not worth it..
So I want
to leave the artist side and go to the technical, scientific side... keeping my e-music as
a hobby and dig in deep and learn as much as I can.. (not just: "turn this button left"
"why?" "Becoz I say so") .. and of course have an academic qualification... something to
assure my future if my personal endeavors don't turn out as expected... and it seems I can
only be safe with a degree from somewhere like LIPA..
I am sure
SAE deserves its merits... maybe it works out for some people.. but at the moment its not
for me.. I am 22 already.. by the end I finish another degree I will be 26 .. competing
with 21 year olds... I cannot bet my life nor my money on a provider that is so
unappreciated like that.
Thanks for all your thoughts guys.
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Anon101
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Quote diogodasilva:
. and
of course have an academic qualification... something to assure my future if my personal
endeavors don't turn out as expected... and it seems I can only be safe with a degree from
somewhere like LIPA..
A degree won't assure your future, have you seen all the other threads about the
state of the industry?
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diogodasilva
Joined: 07/01/07
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Quote Anon101:
Quote diogodasilva:
. and
of course have an academic qualification... something to assure my future if my personal
endeavors don't turn out as expected... and it seems I can only be safe with a degree from
somewhere like LIPA..
A degree won't assure your future, have you seen all the other threads about the
state of the industry?
But
you agree that a degree from LIPA worths more than SAE correct?
It is not a piece of paper that will give you the job.. u gotta be good.. and I know
that... I am no dreamer: "go to sae get a job.." or any provider for that matter .. not in
my mind..
It's just that a degree from some respected institution will give
you a good head start ... and also a degree like that will open up far more doors than the
one that leads to the mixing desk.. u know what I mean?
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hollowsun
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Quote diogodasilva:
But I don't
want to live this dj live forever.. gigs and more gigs, planes, jet lag... and on this
life u rely heavily on others (public, promoters...).
But that's what this game is all about - it's often 90% grind and
tedium
Quote diogodasilva:
So I want to leave the artist side and go to the technical, scientific side...
keeping my e-music as a hobby and dig in deep and learn as much as I can.. (not just:
"turn this button left" "why?" "Becoz I say so") .. and of course have an academic
qualification... something to assure my future if my personal endeavors don't turn out as
expected... and it seems I can only be safe with a degree from somewhere like
LIPA.
Ok -
understood. In that case - "keeping my e-music as a hobby - I see absolutely no
reason to spend many thousands of £££ on a course of any kind (not to mention the extra
thousands of £££ required to get over here and live) - you can learn as much (if not more)
from messing around in your own studio, this forum, the SOS magazine and its website with
years of archives to plunder, the internet (up to a point), books, etc..
As
for having "an academic qualification... something to assure my future if my personal
endeavors don't turn out as expected", no-one's really going to take that too
seriously if I am being honest - it certainly won't assure your future. If that's what you
want ... if your personal (musical?) endeavours don't turn out as expected ... you'd be
better off with a 'real' academic qualification such as electronic engineering such as
SixStringzzz is doing. If I may....
FWIW, most of the people I work with (on the manufacturing side
of things) either have no qualifications (like me - I am totally self taught and I get the
work through ability and a 25+ year track record) or are highly qualified electronics
engineers, software/computer programmers, mechanical engineers, industrial designers,
etc., with fairly serious degrees in 'real' and accepted disciplines.
And
frankly, if your e-music is just going to be a hobby and you want to earn some money to
pay the bills....
Learn plumbing, tiling, bricklaying, carpet laying, household
electrics - or accountancy or legal work ... get a qualification in those! People need
those services every day and will pay for them, often handsomely. Some of the most
satisfied musos I know do those jobs, earn a fortune during the day, pay the bills, can
afford to buy gear to indulge their hobby, go on holiday a few times a year, have a smart
car (or two ... or three) and nice house, go out for meals, etc., and just enjoy playing
in their home studios or in their band in their spare time. A far cry from the cynical
musos and recordists I know who struggle to make a living seven days a week, 52 weeks of
the year! I sometimes wish I'd taken that route!
Worth thinking about
perhaps.
And BTW... your English is extremely good. Very impressive!
Ciao!!
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HugoL
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I made the choice many years ago to do an IT degree rather than a recording / electronics
degree. I find the audio side of things far more interesting, but even then it was
looking tough for a long-term career choice - long hours and pitifull returns in
comparison to IT.
A friend of mine did a course at a certain audio school in
Islington. He worked tea-boy level at a well known studio in Shoreditch after that but
never got very far. Eventually he got introduced to film work by a friend who does camera
and he's now doing pretty well as a film recordist.
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diogodasilva
Joined: 07/01/07
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Quote hollowsun:
Quote diogodasilva:
But I don't
want to live this dj live forever.. gigs and more gigs, planes, jet lag... and on this
life u rely heavily on others (public, promoters...).
But that's what this game is all about - it's often 90% grind and
tedium
Quote diogodasilva:
So I want to leave the artist side and go to the technical, scientific side...
keeping my e-music as a hobby and dig in deep and learn as much as I can.. (not just:
"turn this button left" "why?" "Becoz I say so") .. and of course have an academic
qualification... something to assure my future if my personal endeavors don't turn out as
expected... and it seems I can only be safe with a degree from somewhere like
LIPA.
Ok -
understood. In that case - "keeping my e-music as a hobby - I see absolutely no
reason to spend many thousands of £££ on a course of any kind (not to mention the extra
thousands of £££ required to get over here and live) - you can learn as much (if not more)
from messing around in your own studio, this forum, the SOS magazine and its website with
years of archives to plunder, the internet (up to a point), books, etc..
As
for having "an academic qualification... something to assure my future if my personal
endeavors don't turn out as expected", no-one's really going to take that too
seriously if I am being honest - it certainly won't assure your future. If that's what you
want ... if your personal (musical?) endeavours don't turn out as expected ... you'd be
better off with a 'real' academic qualification such as electronic engineering such as
SixStringzzz is doing. If I may....
FWIW, most of the people I work with (on the manufacturing side
of things) either have no qualifications (like me - I am totally self taught and I get the
work through ability and a 25+ year track record) or are highly qualified electronics
engineers, software/computer programmers, mechanical engineers, industrial designers,
etc., with fairly serious degrees in 'real' and accepted disciplines.
And
frankly, if your e-music is just going to be a hobby and you want to earn some money to
pay the bills....
Learn plumbing, tiling, bricklaying, carpet laying, household
electrics - or accountancy or legal work ... get a qualification in those! People need
those services every day and will pay for them, often handsomely. Some of the most
satisfied musos I know do those jobs, earn a fortune during the day, pay the bills, can
afford to buy gear to indulge their hobby, go on holiday a few times a year, have a smart
car (or two ... or three) and nice house, go out for meals, etc., and just enjoy playing
in their home studios or in their band in their spare time. A far cry from the cynical
musos and recordists I know who struggle to make a living seven days a week, 52 weeks of
the year! I sometimes wish I'd taken that route!
Worth thinking about
perhaps.
And BTW... your English is extremely good. Very impressive!
Ciao!!
First of all..
thanks for the compliment.
Now...
tough but nice post.
It is good to hear things
like this sometimes to self-judge my reaction... If I was weak-minded I would probably be
turned off but it is something I want to do, first for personal satisfaction, then for
professional.
I agree you can learn by yourself digging information.. you can
learn anything you want by yourself really... but universities exists for a reason and one
of them is accreditation. Also in the uni environment you get to meet people that maybe
will help you later in life or vice versa.
on the real life it is not like:
"ok, i've got an "audio eng." degree, I know more than everyone here"
No course, in
any area, will teach you every possibility. It is like the med students who have to do
various months of internship in hospitals and clinics in order to finish their grad..
And come on.. LIPA is not a fortune like SAE... less than 4 grand a
year for a respectable course (for EU Nationals)... It's the same I paid here in Brazil
for my Advertising degree.
One thing that we need to keep in mind is that in
some regions there still may be hope in some audio related areas.. for example cinema in
India.. even in Brazil ... maybe the music business is already crowded, but then there are
a bunch of possible correlated jobs.
It is also important to have a good
network of people in the area you aim.
Another thing.. not everyone was born to
be an astronaut...
the specific scientific area related to audio I admire is
Acoustics to be honest..
but I cannot cope with the physics involved in that
Geez.. so many things I want to say don't even know where to start.
So.. let's forget about industry placement for a moment.
within reason.. what do
you guys think about the education provided by LIPA?
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_ Six _
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Mate there is no future and no money in audio engineering. (That is going the
LIPA or Surrey route)
Even if you manage to get into
LIPA or Surrey and you manage to get a job there is absolutely no money in
the long long hours you'll have to put in at a facility that is likely to be out of
business in a few years anyway. You'll find yourself in your 30's having to go through
school again to get a real qualification.
My advice would be get a technical
degree in electronics or computer science and use university socials to build a portfolio
of recording experience. The electronics and physics theory will serve you better than a
media course and a BEng qualification will line your pockets a million times better than
LIPA or Surrey could ever do.
The world is screaming out for
Engineering Professionals. Not the media kind though. They stock shelves at supermarkets.
You can tailor your technical degree to specialise in audio systems.
Don't waste your money doing a media course.
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jimdrake
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Quote diogodasilva:
Unfortunately
Surrey is not an option as I don't have enough music grades.
I wouldn't let the entry requirements put you off.
If you want to, you should apply. Your foreign student situation may put you at an
advantage as well.
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gary111
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Stay away from SAE especially London.
like other people here are saying it's not
worth anything. And there's no entry exam!!! Trust me I know.
As long as you pay they
accept you. And the manager there is not a manager, you can't even get an appointment with
him. The staff is nothing but former students. Read more even from SAE staff below
http://lithax.wordpress.com/2006/06/13/whats-so-wrong-with-sae-anyway/
http://www.wiretotheear.com/2008/10/25/is-learning-at-the-sae-institute-wo
rthwhile/#comment-3217
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gary111
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There were some sort of legal battle lost due to SAE being full of illegal software.
When i was at SAE London I remember something about them resetting the waves plugins on
the Protools systems.
Funny post below though, I especially like the pictures
http://saeoxford.blogspot.com/
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IvanSC
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Matthias......
Oh, Matthias...........
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Chris No.1
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OFF TOPIC BUT QUICK QUESTION
Someone I know applied to LIPA and
got a conditional of MMM , three merits overall in music technology diploma.
they were 21.
Is that possible?
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PaulEvansMusic.co.uk
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depends on his circumstances, but qualification entry requirements are generally quite
low,
its more about what you have done, how good you are, not how good a piece of
paper tells someone you are.
which is generally what will happen when your in the big
wide world too.
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Chris No.1
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Quote Paul Supersonix Studios:
depends on his circumstances, but qualification entry requirements are generally quite
low,
its more about what you have done, how good you are, not how good a piece of
paper tells someone you are.
which is generally what will happen when your in the big
wide world too.
I applied to
a lesser known uni and got higher requirements..
Might be some of his
experiences over mine. Guess I have more to prove
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PaulEvansMusic.co.uk
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yes....to southampton and university of liverpool i had offers of AAB, Leeds College of
music was CC
but that involved a days worth of exams and auditions.
(this is for
music not music tech)
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Chris No.1
Joined: 12/09/08
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Well people say, it's who you know not what you know in this business
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Siam
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check out point blank if
you'r coming to london. i went there on reccomendation from a producer mate of mine and
dont regret it at all.
if you can afford to, why not spend less time and
effort on learning the technical side of production from someone who has perfected their
technique over many years of experience (safe in the knowledge that you are using the
tools to their maximum capacity and not picking up bad habits). then you can use the time
and energy saved, on experimenting with the musical possibilities that the tool in
question allows... after all, it’s the creative side of producing that attracts us (well
me anyway), the rest is essentially a means to this end.
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Mash
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Loc: Shoreditch, London
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Quote chriswtfomgreally:
Well
people say, it's who you know not what you know in this business
Who you know and what you've done!
Mash 
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Nathy
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Does this mean im out if im going to Wrexham Uni to study Studio Recording and Performance
Tech?
xx
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Nathyy.
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Mash
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Quote Nathy:
Does this mean im
out if im going to Wrexham Uni to study Studio Recording and Performance Tech?
xx
The main reason for
music tech uni imo is for fun, meeting lots of great like-minded people, and to cover a
few aspects of music tech you might not have done otherwise. If you're serious about
making some kind of career out of this you'll be wanting to do something alongside a
course to build up your showreel/experience and to use your time to try to work out
where/how you might be able to do something that satisfies the music tech geek in you and
can pay the rent...
Mash
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Nathy
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When I read the first line, 'Music Tech is just for fun', I was expecting to be ripped to
shreads about how there is no work in music. Therefore I thank you for not doing so. For
the past 5 years Ive been gaining experience with all aspects of audio, from backstage of
theatre productions in High school, to get experience at gigs as sound engineers, lighting
(Not very much Audio, but its always good to know) and even a couple of days in BBC Radio
Wales. My plan is to work with Radio and / or Theatre sound. Ive learnt that theres a 8/10
chance of not making it with a studio.
Cheers again.
Nathy xxx
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IvanSC
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Quote Nathy:
Does this mean im
out if im going to Wrexham Uni to study Studio Recording and Performance Tech?
xx
Only if you don`t
take the opportunity to visit Kingsley and his brother while you are that near to
Rockfield.
Just walking around the place and talking to Otto the Engineer
(prolly retired by now) was an education for me.
That place in the seventies was
probably the most "if it works, it works " place I ever worked in.
Wonderful.
And the food!
And the chefettes!
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Chris Poulter
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It sounds as though you are already making a living from music, correct me if I am
wrong.
If this is the case, then STAY WHERE YOU ARE! Coming to England to
study would be putting one step forward, ten steps backwards. There are no short cuts in
this industry, just lucky breaks - and (imo) you're much better off staying there and
slowly building up your skills, clientbase and business.
It's astounding
to see what people have given up to come to pursue a career in England. When I used to
work at a major studio in London, we'd have several CV's a week from people having moved
in from abroad, often from working as chief engineers in big studios there, and often with
engineering (or even production!) credits with famous artists. And yet they were more
often than not offering their services for free, even if it was just for making tea....
In England, there are literally handfulls of jobs left in studios, and tens of
thousands of people who would like them. As you're making a living from music at the
moment, that would imply that either its not quite so bad where you are, or that you've
managed to distinguish yourself from the crowd with your skills. Either way, please trust
me when I say - the grass is not always greener!
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diogodasilva
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Quote Chris Poulter:
It sounds as
though you are already making a living from music, correct me if I am wrong.
If
this is the case, then STAY WHERE YOU ARE! Coming to England to study would be putting
one step forward, ten steps backwards. There are no short cuts in this industry, just
lucky breaks - and (imo) you're much better off staying there and slowly building up your
skills, clientbase and business.
It's astounding to see what people have
given up to come to pursue a career in England. When I used to work at a major studio in
London, we'd have several CV's a week from people having moved in from abroad, often from
working as chief engineers in big studios there, and often with engineering (or even
production!) credits with famous artists. And yet they were more often than not offering
their services for free, even if it was just for making tea....
In England,
there are literally handfulls of jobs left in studios, and tens of thousands of people who
would like them. As you're making a living from music at the moment, that would imply
that either its not quite so bad where you are, or that you've managed to distinguish
yourself from the crowd with your skills. Either way, please trust me when I say - the
grass is not always greener!
Thanks for the update!
I don't really want to pursue a career in England to
be honest. Of course you never know how things will work out but it is not my real
plan.
The only reason I feel the need to study this field in depth is for personal
satisfaction first and professional expertise also... The plan is to go for new markets..
new ideas... the problem is we've got no good audio education provider here in Brazil.
Thats the reason I want to go to LIPA, their prospect looks awesome to me.
And they are respected also...
Later.. when I finish the program.. who knows..
maybe I head back to Brazil where the movie industry is getting hotter than ever before..
and there will be lack of good professionals.. also audio for games is one interesting
field.. I was in the AES conference last month.. was really exiting to get to know a
little more about this field.. sounds very promising..
there are so many
possibilities, working on a big rec studio maybe is on the bottom of my list.
By the way.. I went to England to take the test and interview at LIPA...
now waiting for the results...
hoping for the best!
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AlexBaron
Joined: 22/08/08
Posts: 55
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Hi Diogodasilva,
I did the LIPA course and graduated four years
back. You're right, it's a great course, you work with and meet some great / well
respected people (Mr McCartney has a lot of friends...). No one is under any illusion it
will get you a job by default.. I'd even go as far to say I learnt more in the way of my
'job' in the coming months/years after graduating. But I think going to a good course like
that makes you push your working standards / practices through the roof. After three years
at LIPA I had completely changed everything about my working practice for
the better... which I am indebted to, every single working day. Other friends of mine in
similar music technology courses around the UK came out of further education three years
later, many thousands in debt, with some recordings of some songs we had written when we
were 16. Then went on the dole.
Contrary to popular belief, working in one of
the few profitable studios in the UK is not the ONLY thing a graduate is able to do these
days
So it depends how you want to spend you money. No offense to
the SAE guy on here, but I'd rather spend 9 grand on a mac pro, 003, some dpa 4090's, a
Neve 1073 DPD, a liquid mix and a load of ace software and then spend a year learning how
to use it... AND I don't have to exchange it for a bit of paper at the end..
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