just saw this winner somewhere else...

cable elevators

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Yes Dawkins is every bit as fanatical in his views on atheism as the religions he rants about

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Except that, er, no he isn't. Fanatical religions attempt to force their views on others by murder, rape, mutilation, banning contraception, forbidding science and learning, pushing creationism and other nonsense into our schools, and all the rest of their abhorrent medieval practices too numerous to mention.

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This is a huge generalisation. Is all religion like this? Have atheists proved themselves incapable of rape, war and murder?

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Dawkins writes books. Sometimes about the above. Let's get things in perspective here chaps!

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People will do evil things in the name of religion, morality, justice, whatever the hell they want. Dawkins is just a career celebrity atheist who baits religious leaders - hardly the most challenging of tasks. He is vastly overrated.

Nobody's ever fought a war to promote atheism. And Dawkins is reasonable, compared with a superpower where 40% of the population think the world is less than 10,000 years old.

But we're digressing a bit from supernatural speaker cables here guys...

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I was under the impression that Dawkins is quite highly regarded by his peers in science for reasons quite unconnected with his faith in oblivion. However, to get back on topic.

I have been following this thread all week and even hijacked another thread about guitar leads in "guitar technology" because I'm finding it quite uncomfortable. I've never bought any of Russ Andrews products or paid a kings ransom for a cable. But I have spent say £100 on speaker cables for reasonably good hi fi (a knaves ransom, apparently). Should I now take the honorable way out and shoot myself?

Note: I don't have much space. I don't have a soldering iron. I don't enjoy DIY. And I don't need as many miles of cables as many other forum members do.

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I've never bought any of Russ Andrews products or paid a kings ransom for a cable. But I have spent say £100 on speaker cables for reasonably good hi fi (a knaves ransom, apparently). Should I now take the honorable way out and shoot myself?

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Well, yes! As a warning to others, if nothing else. Good of you to offer.

BTW, how much space do you think a soldering iron takes? And would you reach your hand out to take a proffered £50 note, or would that be too much trouble?

Let me think now...amount of space... likelihood of ever finding soldering iron when needed, never mind using it... amount of cable required on daily basis (haven't needed to buy one for over a year)... cost of soldering iron, bulk cable, connectors... shag of getting it all... time and money spent on saving say £50 (far more than £50). Cheaper to just go to the shop and buy one for now I think.... BANG!

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An interesting statement old bean. Anyway, let's get back on topic.

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Let me think now...amount of space... likelihood of ever finding soldering iron when needed, never mind using it... amount of cable required on daily basis (haven't needed to buy one for over a year)... cost of soldering iron, bulk cable, connectors... shag of getting it all... time and money spent on saving say £50 (far more than £50). Cheaper to just go to the shop and buy one for now I think.... BANG!

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Oh sure, much cheaper. Unless you splurge £100 on speaker cables. When's the suicide again?

I think it already happened in a parallel universe mate. I did the math

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http://www.bandmix.co.uk/iain-hamilton

HERE'S the really good stuff - Brilliant Pebbles, the Teleportation Tweak. Obviously a gag, but maybe with an element of "well...if someone actually WANTS to send the money..."

The biggest problem with all this stuff is that you can never be quite sure where the spoof sites start and the "serious" ones end.

I would like to think that dynamica is taking the piss, but you can never be quite sure.

Regards,Dan.

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Of course they work - run an audio cable on top of an underfloor mains cable - and when you lift the audio cable off the floor the sound will be better because the interference decreases.

The answer is to not run audio cables near mains cables, not to buy expensive thingies.

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He wasn't talking about "all religion". He was talking about "Fanatical religions". This is why he typed "Fanatical religions". I've emphasised that word in bold to help make it simpler for you.

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C'mon. lads, perhaps it's time for everyone to take a deep breath and calm down. Even though I myself am one who considers that religion is the second greatest evil to afflict the human race (after tribalism, since you ask) nevertheless there's a time and a place for everything. Now, I thought, was the time and place for some innocent amusement at the expense of Russ Andrews that might even do some good by pointing out to others the fallacy thereof. There are other fora that specialise in throwing the opposition to the lions ...

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Mr Punch's Studio

I know a couple of fanatical audiophiles. The sort of blokes you might meet down the pub. Scary!

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Sorry fella I'm not gonna argue with you.

This thread has gone way beyond its useful life as it is.

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Sorry fella I'm not gonna argue with you.

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Of course they work - run an audio cable on top of an underfloor mains cable - and when you lift the audio cable off the floor the sound will be better because the interference decreases.

The answer is to not run audio cables near mains cables, not to buy expensive thingies.

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I've recently had this kind of conversation as well - sometimes, the best solution is to not engineer one at all and just use common sense. And I hear that Russ Andrews will sell you a 50ml can of RA Common Sense (tm) for £595 which is a total bargain!!

I ordered 3 cans!



Seriously though, in the grand scheme of things, is Russ Andrews actually doing any harm? They provide endless amusement for those of us with more than two braincells to rub together and, it could well be argued, that by charging exorbitant prices for silly gadgets - which are paid for by people with more money than sense (city chaps usually ..) - they are keeping cash flowing through our economy nicely.

Can't we all just get along ... ?

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(I came, I saw, I conkered)

Slapped wrists can really hurt.

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But this all this pales into insignificance compared with the ultimate (non?) scam pulled in the late 50s/early 60s where someone placed an ad in one of the supposedly better newspapers that read something like:

Your last chance to send £1 to {some address - central London I think}
Closing date {some date}.

Although there were howls of protest, absolutely no crime had been committed. The ad hadn't offered anything and was factually correct. The building was demolished on the stated date!

I was quite small then, but I remember my parents and uncles having a good laugh over it and explaining it to me when I couldn't understand what was so funny.

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Of course they work - run an audio cable on top of an underfloor mains cable - and when you lift the audio cable off the floor the sound will be better because the interference decreases.

The answer is to not run audio cables near mains cables, not to buy expensive thingies.

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Of course you could achieve the same effect using some upside-down plastic cups with a channel cut into their tops

If they give an improvement then you could replace them with the polished walnut versions or whatever


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Hmmm... I could easily get a supply of walnut, all I need is a lathe and a website to sell them at £100 for a set of 3.

Andy

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Hmmm... I could easily get a supply of walnut, all I need is a lathe and a website to sell them at £100 for a set of 3.

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Give me a few hours Andy and I'll get the site up and running. I will be selling Pecan pie ina very special container that vacuum seals close to the event horizon of a black hole and the structure and composition of the container (copyrighted) allows the Pecan ingedients to meld in an optimum environment.
Cost will be around £400

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Man, I can't wait - where do I send the money?



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Of course they work - run an audio cable on top of an underfloor mains cable - and when you lift the audio cable off the floor the sound will be better because the interference decreases.

The answer is to not run audio cables near mains cables, not to buy expensive thingies.

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Of course you could achieve the same effect using some upside-down plastic cups with a channel cut into their tops

If they give an improvement then you could replace them with the polished walnut versions or whatever


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ahh but then you need to be careful about their effect on cable capacitance...

after all, some non electrolytic capacitors are made out of the very same materials as some plastic cups, so it stands to reason they could be a problem.....

MAYBE you could market different thicknesses and material of cup wall, as having different "desirable" smoothing effects on the HF content.... ????




(i guess i should add lots of smilies here in case anyone thought i was being serious , except that some dodgy geezer somewhere will probably do exactly what i just outlined, and get away with it.... )



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£100! Excuse me!

I'm not having any of that cheap tat hanging around my hi-fi!



Reg

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£100! Excuse me!

I'm not having any of that cheap tat hanging around my hi-fi!



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Of course, you need the grain aligned pine versions. £1000 for 4. Custom staining extra.

Andy

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£100! Excuse me!

I'm not having any of that cheap tat hanging around my hi-fi!



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Do they come with marketing literature suggesting they can also cure cancer?

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There have certainly be surveys suggesting this, but I will certainly ask the guys in the pub later tonight and cobble something together on the potential therapeutic benefits of Harmonic Resonances when placed relative to the room modes.

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I'm not having any of that cheap tat hanging around my hi-fi!



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In that case I'll take 20.

Payment to be non-sequential notes, secreted in a carrier bag behind the third cistern, Kings Cross Station Gents Toilets as per usual?

None of you know what you're talking about

For the ultimate in clarity and freedom from unpleasant aural colouration you need a penta-laminate non-reactive 360degree phase shifter. Modern technological advances mean that these can be placed in-line so discretely that they are invisible to the naked eye. They are supplied fitted and dynamically matched to appropriate cables.

Additionally these "shifty's" (as they are called) can be retro-fitted to existing cables for an appropriate consideration, although it should be remembered that if the cables have already developed any tertiary bifurcated monodes these will have to be excised first.

Unusually, there is no price list as the designer likes to meet potential customers face-to-face in order to tailor an offer to best suit the client. However, I just happen to know where they can be obtained for a 50% negative discount

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Hah!! No need to negotiate special deals, 2 for the price of 3 is available to anyone, just use the offer code 5ucker at the checkout.

Andy

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They look sturdy.

Poor Russ!! He must be beside himself with grief and wealth. Such a ribbing!
ive said before - slapped wrists really smart - ASA hurts. Nothing acts faster than Anadin.

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I wish that were true.

Ryanair have been "ASA-ed" half a dozen times for making false claims about their wonderful airline. It doesn't stop them. They seem to relish the additional publicity.

The problem with ASA is it has no power to fine or otherwise discipline people, and relies on effectively voluntary compliance with its rulings. It's no more useful than the Press Complaints Commission (which Richard Desmond and Express Group have just abandoned).

No doubt a triumphant government will soon announce a "voluntary code of practice" about bank bonuses or something. It will be equally "effective".

(Woke up this morning, I had them cynical kind of blues....)

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It's the airline of last resort for me - only to be used if no other airline goes there and it's too far to go by car.

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President - Federation Internationale des Chasseurs de Sons

Even here!

http://www.premierguitar.com/Magazine/Issue/2011/Feb/Adventures_in_Amplifi cation_Don_t_Overlook_the_Cables.aspx



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