I was told the end of October for the upgrade by my dealer, anyone heard otherwise?

Not in a hurry to get it, just curious.

Sound Technology (UK distributor) say they are expecting delivery at the start of next week, and will be sending them out straight thereafter.

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just had a thought with guitar amp pro

for it to be useful, i guess you need to use ive software monitoring, which means you have to set latency really low, which means you need a really quick cpu... yadda yadda

non?

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this is correct, yeah lads?

Yes beatsmith, that's pretty much it, but assuming there isn't too much else going on, your system should cope with it .

Max

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My dealer called back this afternoon, very apologetic. The diktat from Apple is that nobody gets free upgrades, even if you bought LP6 yesterday. The only circumstances in which they would consider an exchange is if LP6 is returned in its original sealed box.

The dealer says he's had a number of calls today on similar lines.

Perhaps the intrepid investigative reporters on SoS might care to press Apple for an explanation of this mean-spiritidness to their loyal (or should I say long suffering?) customer base!

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Can someone tell me the definitive word on this networking facility, as in, do you have to have a G5 as a node or will it work on a G4 tower like, say a MDD dual 867Mhz machine?
Or a G4 powerbook 1.5Ghz to a 1Ghz powerbook?

What are node app's ...sorry but i don't know

PI

My understanding of this is that
1) IT MUST have a fast gigabit ethernet (or possibly firewire FW800) connection

2) that it will probably work on G4 machines that are so equipped , but not amazingly well, and that emagic's techs definitely recommend a G5 to make it worth while./

it's intended use is with G5xserve server racks acting as DSp farms....

and that it definitely cannot be used with EXS24, for two reasons...

1) Sample library licence terms do NOT generally allow single installation use on Multiple Machines.

2) Use from the central machine would require 2 way streaming of the samples, which is a waste of bandwidth, and pointless.

3) That being the case, you'd have to buy and install locally on each machine.... Frankly it would be cheaper to find almost any other method, Like building a dedicated Gigastudio PC.

so all round, it's simpler and easier for them to Not include EXS on the Distributed processing node system

Apparently the more sensible answer is to use the G4 machine as the core , and a G5 as the node.


but the design is aimed squarely at ALL g5 only systems.

Max

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The node app is a seperate install within Logic 7 that allows you to farm out some of the track processing of Logic's plugins (minus the EXS) to another computer system.

The node software runs standalone, ie does not require a seperate license or XS Key to operate.

In order to use a node to process a channel you need to click a button on the arrange page (like with the Freeze button) which will then tell Logic to distribute processing of that channel to a node or more if you have them.

C

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There's a 'review' of logic 7 here: http://www.tweakheadz.com/review_of_logic_pro_7.htm

i didn't know that you could load samples into ultrabeat... basically you have a drum machien built into too. no need for idrum then.

...i think this may be the end of reason for me? there are some features i love in reason, but apple are so clever, they introduce all this stuff 'free' in logic 7... that i no longer need to use other applications... yet i WILL need a g5 before long

They got me good, the bastards!

lol

having looked into it more and more, i really want it. Finally, i can do everything i want, within one app.

But the big thing for me is how well it runs. Reason, obviously, flies on my 1.4ghz g4. But will logic pro 7? I'm not too sure it will.

Like, if i sequence a simple drum beat in ultrabeat (with it's well overly complicated interface... i hate the interface of all the emagic/apple audio instruments - totally counter intuitive if you as me - i prefer the reason 'rack' idea) - will it use much more cpu power than the same thing would do in reason? Loading an instance of exs24mk2 is much harder on the cpu than a nnxt module.

I was really hoping that my g4 could last until the next rev's of g5's.

can't wait for the SOS review (which won't be in the next issue, will have to wait til next time!) - i probably won't do anything til then

also, how well will my logic control interact with all the new instruments? Like how can i avoid using th emouse on something like ultrabeat?

Anyway.....

(ps - cheers max, for the guitar amp pro info)

Is there any way to upgrade from Logic Express?

yeah mate, it's £500 over here http://www.soundtech.co.uk/apple/logic/logicpro7upgradeb

dunno about how much it is yankland mate sorry!

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having looked into it more and more, i really want it. Finally, i can do everything i want, within one app.

But the big thing for me is how well it runs. Reason, obviously, flies on my 1.4ghz g4. But will logic pro 7? I'm not too sure it will.

Like, if i sequence a simple drum beat in ultrabeat (with it's well overly complicated interface... i hate the interface of all the emagic/apple audio instruments - totally counter intuitive if you as me - i prefer the reason 'rack' idea) - will it use much more cpu power than the same thing would do in reason? Loading an instance of exs24mk2 is much harder on the cpu than a nnxt module.

I was really hoping that my g4 could last until the next rev's of g5's.

can't wait for the SOS review (which won't be in the next issue, will have to wait til next time!) - i probably won't do anything til then

also, how well will my logic control interact with all the new instruments? Like how can i avoid using th emouse on something like ultrabeat?

Anyway.....

(ps - cheers max, for the guitar amp pro info)

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I couldn't agree more on the head scratching and often confusing designs of most of the instruments in Logic - who designs these things anyway - H R Geiger ?



I use Logic Pro - but also use Reason - mainly for its speed and inspiration.

More recently though i have become a complete 'Live 4' convert.

Like Reason, Live 4 is also a superbly intuitive design - and must surely have the best loop manipulation on the Mac platform. And don't get me started on the 'Live" composition possibilities it offers !!
As you can get Live 4 for around £250 it has to be a much better use of funds than this seemingly bloated, over-priced Logic upgrade.

The rewired combination of Reason and Live 4 is superb and so easy to use.

Live 4, of course, also rewires into Logic Pro to give another superb combination - or if i am feeling adventurous i can rewire all 3 programmes together !! (need those twin 30" screens soon though!!)

With all this great software running on my machine i - like some others it seems - just dont seem to really need the Logic 7 upgrade.

Even with all the cool stuff included £200 is also a bit much really.
Reason (Version 2) cost me £180 new - and the generous 2.5 upgrade was free !!

As much as i think Logic is the best of the 'old school' sequencers and remains a great studio tool - Live 4 and Reason are much more inspirational, faster and more fun to use - especially for writing and composition (imho.)


Sorry Emagic/Apple. Not this time.

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Upgrading to Pro 6 for me made me realise that I didn't need to use reason anywhere near as much.

It reduced the load on my processor from using Big Box with Reason as well. Made a huge difference!

I can see your points but for me it makes more sense to use one application. The ES2 and ES1 more than make up for not having access to the Malstrom, The Distortion effects are a match for Scream etc etc.

I'm not sayiong you're wrong by any means but for me I found the opposite in a lot of circumstances.

I've not used Live 4 as the demo kept crashing on my system but from the spec list of Logic 7 I would think that the timestretching/matching capabilities will more than suit me.

Again these are just my opinions.

C

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Bugger. No delay comp. on busses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (!)
Not for me, then.

Maybe when I upgrade my Mac in the next year or so, I'll look at Logic 8!

G

I wish Apple would implement right clicking in Logic. Every other major software studio lets you use two tools, one on right click, the other on left click. I had that functionality on the PC version of Logic. This has been a MAJOR issue for me after switching to a G5 and using the program.

The other is the use of multiple sound cards. I have 2 Hammerfalls in my G5, but I can only use one core audio driver. This is another MAJOR drawback. It really makes me miss Logic 5 on my PC that hasn't yet crashed in 3 years. My Mac has crashed 6 times in 2 months.

I am eager to try 7, but I want to see some basic improvements first.

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I just received the upgrade prices for france, and god even more expensive than I thought...
320 euros from pro6 to pro7!!! And Pro 6 cost me 1000 euros a couple of months ago. That's just not fair, so I'll wait till Logic 8 to upgrade (and might even get a G5 by then!!).

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just had a thought with guitar amp pro

for it to be useful, i guess you need to use ive software monitoring, which means you have to set latency really low, which means you need a really quick cpu... yadda yadda

non?

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this is correct, yeah lads?

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To me, that comment kind of sums up the whole experience. Don't you think that any women use Logic?! ;-)

Ben

lol

by the way guys (heh), there's a new logic 7 forum on the apple site: http://discussions.info.apple.com/webx?14@53.M2Awa1yUxlZ.3@.689be5d8

When is version 8 out, that's what I want to know! ;-)

The interface and parameters for Sculpture reminds me of Kai's Power Tools. I hope it is as much fun to use.

Ben

Will all this run smoothly on a dual 2.0ghz mac? Or are we to expect a 3.0ghz mac in the near future to accomodate the bloatware?

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Will all this run smoothly on a dual 2.0ghz mac? Or are we to expect a 3.0ghz mac in the near future to accomodate the bloatware?

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LOL

come off it mate, do you really think they'd release something that didn't run very well on their current line of powermacs?

it will fly

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Will all this run smoothly on a dual 2.0ghz mac? Or are we to expect a 3.0ghz mac in the near future to accomodate the bloatware?

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Of course not - it's not CUBASE we're talking about

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i don't think this is bloatware at all. It's just maturing into an all in one package, which for me is a good thing.

A contentious word perhaps...
Tacking loads of extras on an outdated core in need of SERIOUS revision if it is to compare with the likes of DP4.5 and SX3 is fairly standard marketing stuff. Revising the core application to an extent where it is competetive without the extras is currently economically less viable for Apple than releasing what amounts to increasingly decorated special editions of an 8 year old piece of software.
"Maturing" is not necessarily a complimentary term when applied to software selling itself at the cutting edge...

It will be interesting to see if emapple listened to the list of sugestions that was made on this forum. Will they finally have managed to get rid of the glitches with the tape delay????

Having recently upgraded a number of machines from 6 to Pro, I am to say the least a llttle resntful.

I get the impresion that ADC has not been adressed from other forums I have been reading (I also think emagic would be showing off about it if they had)

With out knowing when full ADC is going to be included in Logic and whether it is going to be an additional charge further to the upgrade of £199
I personally will not be going to give Apple any more money for software.
Oh and found this interesting little gem on the Apple forum:
This is from an email I got from emagic support:

"Apple wants to ensure Emagic customers have a positive support experience.
In accordance with the Customer Care Plan, Logic 5 customers will continue
to receive free telephone support and and email support until 11/1/04. Logic
6 customers will receive free telephone and email support through 12/31/04.

Through 10/01/05, ALL customers will have access to Emagic's technical
support hub, InfoWeb - a powerful database that is updated daily.

If you own any Emagic branded hardware devices, support will continue to be
provided according to your original warranty.

Welcome Logic 7 Customers! If you purchase or upgrade to Logic Pro 7,
Apple's technical support group - AppleCare, will now be your source for
sales and support. For more information, please refer to
www.apple.com/de/support"

TTFN
Subcoustic

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A-AAAAAARGH! I must have got up on the wrong side of bed, cos' there's a bump on my head!

Bollox to it!!!
Having only got a 1ghz iMac 6 months ago & already doubting logic in comparison to Live this has wound me up!!!

I've been getting fed up with Emagic's approach of ignoring the already apparent issues & just throwing in some swankky new fx.

I'm still on v5 cos I was waiting for these bugs to be resolved so i could get the real benefit of the update but now all I wanna do is sell me Logic and get Live!!!

So if anyone wants : Logic Plat v5, EVP73 + EXSP24 (VST2.0), Midisport
2x2, Logic Control & M-Audio Duo. All for £1400, (so I can get Live 4 & an 01X),
mail me.

Regards,

Ben Toms.

mate calm down

feel free to sell all your gear, but don't GIVE it away

sell it one by one and you'll get loads for it

cheers

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Pro Tools doesn't have right-click functionality. Don't miss it though, even though I'm on a PC - it makes you use keyboard shortcuts, and that's like bloody lightening once you're used to it.

Keyboard control is the way forward. I never use a mouse when working with laptop, just the trackpad, and only when I have to (you can get round the finder with the keyboard, for instance... much faster than using the mouse!)

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Perhaps I should have been more clear. I need right clicking when step programming. I like to have a hand on the mouse for dropping notes down and another on the keyboard to audition drums in the kit. It saves me mousing over to the keyboard on the left of the screen and back again. Isn't this supposed to be the beauty of Logic? We can all customise to make Logic what we want. Besides, I think step progging from a computer keyboard would be slow, n'est pas?

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Edited by fractured (04/10/04 02:29 PM)

Have you ever used a tracker?

-Paws

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sad fact is fellas that most mac mice only have one button

Sorry if this sounds like gloating or Mac bashing (it's not meant to, honest) but when I bought Cubase SX1 / TC bundle, SX2 came out about 3 weeks later, and I got a free upgrade.

Seems to me that there's no limit to Apple's money grabbing antics - onre minute charging for OS upgrades/bug fixes, the next shafting loyal Logic customers. As Apple own Logic and Macs are its only supported hardware platform, things can only get worse.

Feel sorry for you guys.

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sad fact is fellas that most mac mice only have one button

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All Mac mice have only one button
But there are dozens of other mice that are compatible, like Logitech and even Microsoft!

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this is OT, but seriously

get a microsoft mouse ASAP. ditch the mac mouse.... as cool as they look, my productivity leaped forward when i got one.

the forward and back buttons are great, the scrollwheel is fantastic, and if you press the scrollwheel down it's the same as alt-tabbing... THEN there's a second button for all the other fucntions.

get one asap

You talkin' to me?

I'm Wirelesly, Logitechly 6 Buttonly Sorted

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nah, it was a general message of goodwill

actually that reminds me of a question i need to ask the forum (seperate thread)

cheers

Not a snowball's chance in 'ell I'm ever getting a mouse. Waste of space, I need my hands on the keyboard and the trackpad is more than good enough.

-Paws

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