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A better mix
      #959746 - 19/12/11 09:11 PM
looking for some ways to improve my mix :

http://www.kompoz.com/compose-collaborate/home.track.project?trackId=16538 3#

I have a few questions too.. I know its a fairly average song/arrangement, nevertheless just want to keep improving..

1. What are thoughts on levels, (I know its a personal thing to some degree) I've got them as close as i feel I can, but feel the vox varies a little too much and maybe drums are too loud ?

2. How could I get it a bit more cohesive ?

3. Is there enough separation ? How could that be impoved ?

They are the main issues I have, im sure there are many more!

Also any constructive criticism welcome, just want to do the best with what I have, some of it is out of my hands as its an online collaboration, so inevitably some tracking is not of the best quality..



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Re: A better mix new [Re: Scouser]
      #959748 - 19/12/11 09:38 PM
I like it and you have a good voice there (I don't know if that's you or your collaborator).
I'd say that the drums are a bit too subdued rather than loud and the snare sounds a bit limp to me. My brain was adding more piano, or at least more brightness to it - but then I suppose you might encroach on the guitar.
Maybe too much compression? It just feels it needs to be opened out a bit to me.
I liked the overall sound of the bit before the drums better than the overall sound after.


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Re: A better mix new [Re: Scouser]
      #959755 - 19/12/11 10:17 PM
I very much agree with the above.

It's all going well until the drums arrive. The snare is a bit dull and lifeless and the patterns sound too 'drum machine-y' for comfort. Some snare ruffs, flams and other subtelties would help, as would a few more cymbal variants - that same crash over and over gets distracting.

I did notice the vocals go a bit 'roomy' when they peaked - maybe more damping required when tracking?

It would be nice to get some 'air' into the track - maybe lift a few extreme highs here and there, but a decent drum sound might well do that job, so probably better to aim there first.

But that's a great piece of work. Nice playing and a lovely vocal. I mix this kind of thing regularly and the standard of production is unbelievably high. That your's sounds as good as it does is a testament to your efforts - well done, I say!

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Re: A better mix new [Re: Scouser]
      #959759 - 19/12/11 11:07 PM
Yeh that's me singing Neil, and playing bass and guitars.. There is not actually that much compression on it, but I know what you mean, I need to back off a bit. Totally agree about the drums, I dread the cymbals coming in! Thing is when you accept an audition on there your stuck with it, I actually had a much better drum part that was submitted after I accepted the used one, I may do a sep mix and go with the other drums..

Elf your spot on about the room creeping in on louder vocal parts, would a reflection filter help with that ?

Thanks for your help, keep it coming

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Re: A better mix new [Re: Scouser]
      #959769 - 20/12/11 01:42 AM
It is musically lovely as ever Joe.

I know they beat your ears, but you need to get over your much discussed hatred of drummers.

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Re: A better mix new [Re: Scouser]
      #959776 - 20/12/11 08:03 AM
Quote Scouser:

Elf your spot on about the room creeping in on louder vocal parts, would a reflection filter help with that?



It wouldn't hurt. But the time-honoured practice of hanging a few duvets around you would likely help more - particularly behind you.

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Re: A better mix new [Re: Scouser]
      #959778 - 20/12/11 08:45 AM
Thanks again chaps...

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Re: A better mix new [Re: Scouser]
      #959881 - 20/12/11 06:16 PM
Wombat-Reg-Elf or anyone else for that matter. I have made some adjustments to the drums tonally, as thats all I can do really, any difference, better/worse ?

http://www.kompoz.com/compose-collaborate/home.track.project?trackId=16553 2&projectId=28441

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Re: A better mix new [Re: Scouser]
      #959906 - 20/12/11 08:14 PM
I don't think there's anything wrong with your mix. It sounds together. It doesn't offend. There are opportunities to do things slightly differently if you so desired though. It's almost a bit lacking in subtle feel or authenticity of performance texture.

For example you might consider not using a reverb on the vocal and instead using a delay. I think that can sometimes help to make things sit easier with vocals. But ultimately it all depends on how things actually sound when you try them and what specifically you dial in.

A trick that I use (and you might try) to get the vocal to have a bit of movement and yet still remain at the right volume is to use a limiter on the vocal bus to keep the level of the vocals in the right place overall. But then I'll use a compressor on an individual vocal channel (say the lead vox) and dial it in so that the initial transient of sung phrases pokes through a bit but then the compressor will clamp down to keep the entire phrase from sticking out too much.

It takes some adjustment of the attack and release of the compressor and constant listening. Too slow an attack the whole phrase pops through. Too quick and the phrases get buried. Too high of a ratio and the vocal sounds too constrained and also you need to get the release just right. But eventually you get the vocal to sit right in it's pocket while feeling like it's breathing and reaching you without being too loud and still balancing with the rest of the mix. If you get it right it doesn't sound like you're doing anything at all.

Also, I realize you're using programmed drums (at least it sounds that way to me) but the snare in particular sounds a bit obvious and it's reverb doesn't match that of the vocal enough so that I notice there is definitely a different character in the voice ambiance apart from the drum ambiance. The snare also has a bit too much compression dialed in for this style I think. I would ease it a taste and let it breathe a bit more (as much as a programmed snare can I guess). I'm also in a bit of non-agreement with your treatment of the kick drum. It's a bit softer than I think it could be to bring out a touch more of the groove.

The style of this song begs for naturalness. If it's too "clean" or too "rigid" in texture it can come across as a bit lacking in soul IMO, for whatever it's worth.

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Re: A better mix new [Re: Scouser]
      #959920 - 20/12/11 09:08 PM
It's definitely an improvement.

I'm a bit puzzled you seem unable to lay some new drums? There are loads of ways to replace drums, even if you don't have a tempo map. This is something I've had to do lots of times and it's so easy now with modern DAWs. What are you working with that the drums are set in stone?

I like the vocal reverb, BTW - reminds me of some of the old country classics.

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Re: A better mix new [Re: Scouser]
      #959937 - 20/12/11 10:48 PM
Elf two reasons why I'm stuck with drums. On the site where I have the song, it is considered bad etiquette to accept an audition and then turn around later in the day and say "actually no thanks" secondly I would only replace like with like, I'm not sure I could do much better!
However I am free to do what I like away from that site, so have been working with the other sep I had from the real drummer, was going to wait until MySpace updates, so I could post a link to that, to see what you think in comparison to the current version. It shouldn't be too long before it updates if you want to check it. The only prob with the real drum version is that the snare has a real ring to it, which is proving difficult to control ..

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Re: A better mix new [Re: Scouser]
      #960079 - 21/12/11 03:01 PM
Ok real drums mix is now up on myspace. Any thoughts ?

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Re: A better mix new [Re: Scouser]
      #960086 - 21/12/11 03:31 PM
Where do I find the mix? I'm not a MySpace (or any other social network) user.

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Re: A better mix new [Re: Scouser]
      #960101 - 21/12/11 04:55 PM
Sorry Elf here: Song title - Makers of destiny

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Re: A better mix new [Re: Scouser]
      #960113 - 21/12/11 05:13 PM
Ah, OK - gottit!

Wow, that's so much better! I could still hear the snare a little brighter (try a 3dB or so boost somewhere around 5kHz), but this sounds like a record now. There are a couple of drum timing hiccups - most notably around 1:50 and 2:58, but these can be fixed easily (well, in my DAW it's pretty easy!). The payback is a rhythm that breaths and compliments the song nicely.

If you can nail those timing glitches and get that room out of the vocal you have a really nice recording. It might be worth going the extra mile and handing it to a mix engineer for the final polish.

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Re: A better mix new [Re: The Elf]
      #960117 - 21/12/11 05:23 PM
Yep, what the Elf said. It flows so much better with a real drum sound... natural cymbals etc. I agree with what Elf said about the snare; it's just a tiny bit on the dull sound. But then it's also clearly audible, so that's a taste thing, and I wouldn't want it to intrude too much on the balance.


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Re: A better mix new [Re: Scouser]
      #960119 - 21/12/11 05:29 PM
Thanks Elf, really appreciate you having a listen..

"I could still hear the snare a little brighter (try a 3dB or so boost somewhere around 5kHz), but this sounds like a record now. There are a couple of drum timing hiccups - most notably around 1:50 and 2:58, but these can be fixed easily (well, in my DAW it's pretty easy!). The payback is a rhythm that breaths and compliments the song nicely"

Will sort that out..

"It might be worth going the extra mile and handing it to a mix engineer for the final polish"

Thats the good thing about Kompoz, everyone helps each other out, only problem is not enough mixers, its a great place to gain all kinds of experience.. However money is not an option, so unless any mix engineers here are overcome by the festive spirit, I shall have to push on.. Although obviously would be terrific to hear what a good mix engineer would do with it..



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Re: A better mix new [Re: Scouser]
      #960129 - 21/12/11 06:15 PM


Unfortunately I have a toadstool, lady elf and hungry cat to support, and a large queue of mix work to complete by the end of the year, but if you'd like my services (and can afford to wait for some of my 'marginal' time), then feel free to PM me - I'm sure we can come to some sort of arrangement that will keep us both solvent!

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Re: A better mix new [Re: Scouser]
      #960135 - 21/12/11 06:31 PM
Elf, have raised snare as suggested, sounds a bit better to me.. I have upped it to myspace if you want to check it out ? With regard to the timing issues not sure my ears are quite as good as yours, i can only assume that you mean the rolls/fills (around the times you quoted)are not quite right ? As I only have a stereo mix of the drums, it makes smoothing out something like that quite tricky as there are hats and ride to consider, or maybe its just my lack of skills ? Maybe I could get him to send me seps on the quiet

Its proving to be an interesting mix, the non musician ie girlfriend and her pals and my kids prefer the kompoz (midi drums) version, yet all the musicians ive asked prefer the real drum version. Maybe we have good taste and they dont! Ha

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Re: A better mix new [Re: Scouser]
      #960137 - 21/12/11 06:48 PM
Quote Scouser:

Elf, have raised snare as suggested, sounds a bit better to me..



Me too!

Quote Scouser:

With regard to the timing issues not sure my ears are quite as good as yours, i can only assume that you mean the rolls/fills (around the times you quoted)are not quite right ?



Yes, they stumble a bit. It happens on a few occasions, but the ones I mentioned are the ones that stand out most.

Quote Scouser:

As I only have a stereo mix of the drums, it makes smoothing out something like that quite tricky as there are hats and ride to consider, or maybe its just my lack of skills ? Maybe I could get him to send me seps on the quiet



Well, separate tracks are always preferable for all sorts of reasons, but you should get away with some cut edits/cross-fades across the stereo track that should be invisible if you do it carefully. You'll need to cut ahead of beats and find a cross-fade that suits the timing.

Quote Scouser:

Its proving to be an interesting mix, the non musician ie girlfriend and her pals and my kids prefer the kompoz (midi drums) version, yet all the musicians ive asked prefer the real drum version. Maybe we have good taste and they dont! Ha



Or maybe they are used to the repetitive sounds and tight timing of programmed drums from other contemporary musical styles, so find it less of a strange juxtaposition? It's just a matter of taste after all - there's no right or wrong really!

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Re: A better mix new [Re: Scouser]
      #960152 - 21/12/11 07:40 PM
Just to add a few thoughts from nothing much more than a spare-bedroom producer here, if only because I really like this song, a lot.
Whilst I also agree with the comments about the original and especially the repetitive cymbal crashes, I thought the drums on the Myspace version were trying to overdo it a tad; I'm not talking about the mix here (which I realise is the basis for the original post, but it's relevant in the flow of threads), I just think, whilst they add dynamics to the song, the fills sometimes lead you up the garden path of expecting a bit more than the song needs. I know trying to get a drummer to hold back is like trying to do the same to a lead guitarist but this song has such a beautiful melody, the vocals are so well sung and the guitars just sit so nicely, too many drum fills just distract from it.
Just my tuppence. It's a lovely song.


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Re: A better mix new [Re: Scouser]
      #960161 - 21/12/11 07:56 PM
Thanks bunk, I agree with your points, live drums add to the track. But fills ? Misleading to my ears too.. Will have to think about this..

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Re: A better mix new [Re: Scouser]
      #960177 - 21/12/11 09:22 PM
Elf, uploaded version (myspace) with a little editing of the drums, tried to make fills a little smoother..I think the snare is out a little towards the end of the song too(ahead of the beat, rushing it along), but before I go too far down this road, Im not liking this snare, I feel the right snare could really make this song work, not sure how to get around this one.. What I like about the live drums are the hats, rides, cymbals & toms, but obviously the bass and snare need to be as good as they can and they are not doing a lot for me.. ?

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Re: A better mix new [Re: Scouser]
      #960178 - 21/12/11 09:49 PM
I'm afraid the fills at 1:50 and 2:58 are still stumbling over themselves. It might simply be a case of having to lift material from elsewhere in the song to paper over the cracks.

I actually like both the kick and snare as they are, but if you feel the need to replace them there are tools for the job, including Drumagog. Although it's not as instant and automatic as you might like, you can get close and then a bit of manual editing will refine the results.

If the strength of a fill is overpowering you can do a lot with automation to tame it, or, again, use other passages to paper over them - but be careful not to make any repetition too obvious.

This is a nice song and you're 90% there, so it's worth the extra effort.

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Re: A better mix new [Re: Scouser]
      #960437 - 23/12/11 03:07 PM
Hi Joe,

Lovely song, and I really like your vocal.

The drummer has completely missed the point. It's a good drum sound but he's not listening to what you're doing or the ebb and flow of the song. You need to be somewhere in between, with a very simple drum part played more sympathetically with the rhythm of the guitar, and not at the front of the beat like "he's got a bus to catch". (He definitely falls off the stall a couple of times). The drum sound is very "contemorary" too. I feel that a more obvious sound a la Garth Brooks or even Crockodile Shoes. You have covered a lot of basses with the guitar parts and it might have been worth experimenting a little more with the piano part and different inversions to create a little more subtle interest. AND....where is the pedal steel? Don't they have one of those at Platform 1 in Newport you could have kidnapped for the afternoon!!!!!!

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Re: A better mix new [Re: Scouser]
      #960443 - 23/12/11 05:07 PM
It seems there are mixed feelings on this, which is healthy and normal..

There are definately issues with the drums in one way or another, so if there are any drummers out there who fancy a go at this, then be my guest, other than that, i would be happy if I could sort out the little parts of the vocal were it gets a bit roomy..

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Re: A better mix new [Re: Scouser]
      #960454 - 23/12/11 06:53 PM
Quote Scouser:

It seems there are mixed feelings on this, which is healthy and normal..

There are definately issues with the drums in one way or another, so if there are any drummers out there who fancy a go at this, then be my guest, other than that, i would be happy if I could sort out the little parts of the vocal were it gets a bit roomy..




I told you earlier what I thought you might at least try with the vocal; I appear to have been completely ignored so far. Maybe if Elf had said it...

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Re: A better mix new [Re: Scouser]
      #960465 - 23/12/11 08:48 PM
Enlightened Please accept my apologies, thing is I could have sworn I replied, as I can remember exactly what I typed, as it was a longish reply, maybe one of the kids pulled me away from the pc?

Anyhow what I wanted to ask you was

"For example you might consider not using a reverb on the vocal and instead using a delay. I think that can sometimes help to make things sit easier with vocals. But ultimately it all depends on how things actually sound when you try them and what specifically you dial in"

This has been suggested to me before and I guess the reason is that when I have tried it, i havent really got anywhere (not really known a good starting point, if there is such a thing ?) Whereas with reverbs my understanding is a little better.. But if there are any tips/settings you feel may help, would be grateful.

"A trick that I use (and you might try) to get the vocal to have a bit of movement and yet still remain at the right volume is to use a limiter on the vocal bus to keep the level of the vocals in the right place overall. But then I'll use a compressor on an individual vocal channel (say the lead vox) and dial it in so that the initial transient of sung phrases pokes through a bit but then the compressor will clamp down to keep the entire phrase from sticking out too much.

It takes some adjustment of the attack and release of the compressor and constant listening. Too slow an attack the whole phrase pops through. Too quick and the phrases get buried. Too high of a ratio and the vocal sounds too constrained and also you need to get the release just right. But eventually you get the vocal to sit right in it's pocket while feeling like it's breathing and reaching you without being too loud and still balancing with the rest of the mix. If you get it right it doesn't sound like you're doing anything at all"

This is were I usually get lost, as my knowledge is quite limited ie you mention having a limiter on the aux bus vocal and then another vocal track compressed. When im working on daw I have 1 vocal channel for the main vocal and everthing runs through that, if that makes sense ? So although I understand the concept of what your saying, i sometimes get a bit lost with the mechanics.. But I would really like to try this, if I better understood what I would have to do to accomplish the desired result.

I dont know if you have had a listen to the real drum version mentioned above,(@myspace) would be interested to know what your thoughts are on that, maybe an improvement on the original drums ?



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Re: A better mix new [Re: Scouser]
      #960471 - 23/12/11 10:17 PM
Ok update, played with the timing on the drum tonight, not so much the fills etc more the general timing, was suprised how much it was out in places, final chorus is still iffy..
Still have to paper over some of the bigger cracks..

Sound any better ?

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Re: A better mix new [Re: Scouser]
      #960472 - 23/12/11 10:18 PM
its @ myspace address below

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Re: A better mix new [Re: Scouser]
      #960475 - 23/12/11 10:42 PM
Hey Joe,

How did you record the main guitar? Was it Neck, body and DI?
WAVES do a great plug called "Vocal Rider" that I have used for a while. It's a doddle to set up and acts like a soft knee compressor except without introducing any artifacts even when switched to "fast reaction". You may be able to lose the "room" by backing off on the compressor and using a instance of that plug on the channel. It sidechains too which is handy.
I'm on the Island too but am "mad busy" until the end of Feb, but if you are still looking for input at that time let me know and we can maybe hook up.

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Re: A better mix new [Re: Scouser]
      #960488 - 24/12/11 12:55 AM
Hey Gannet,

Not sure which guitar you mean ? Guitar left was me (1 mic 12th fret) rythmn guitar. Guitar right was collaborator, so not sure, could try and find out though..

Will look into the waves vocal rider...

Side chains, like delays and even more so I need to read up on, never used it,

I think your the first islander I've met here.. I'm looking to get this sorted soonish so I can move on with some other stuff. But I'm always looking for ideas so I will keep you posted


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Re: A better mix new [Re: Scouser]
      #960502 - 24/12/11 09:49 AM
Unfortunately I'm now in an area where picking up large amounts of data is just not possible, so no chance to hear the new mix for a week or two.

I always prefer the simple solutions, so for me re-recording the vocal in an environment where that room sound will not be picked up would be my preference. Get it right at source and mixing become so much simpler. The you can look at dynamic processing (I like parallel compression on vocals!) and Vocal Rider techniques to get the finesse.

I liked the reverb on your voice, so for me there's nothing to fix there. I do agree with Liz that delays can be a nice way of settling a vocal into a mix, but I rarely use delay on its own. I typically layer (and cross-feed) reverbs and (several) delays with vocals, since it creates depth and interest, but in the case of this song it sounded fine to me - from what I recall, that is!

Hope it goes well for you. Everyone's approach is different - which is the joy of recording!!

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The Elf
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Re: A better mix new [Re: The Elf]
      #960512 - 24/12/11 11:44 AM
Managed to borrow an Internet connection for a few minutes!

The fill at 1:50 is fixed, but the one at 2:58 actually sounds worse now!

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Re: A better mix new [Re: Scouser]
      #960517 - 24/12/11 12:43 PM
Hey Joe,

I'm not very pro-active on the Island, and to be honest keep meaning to get out more to take in some of the very good live acts down here.

So, regarding your guitar. I am presuming the song was conceived with just you and your guitar?
Again, this is purly subjective and I am passing on what has worked well for me and what I have been exposed to in professional studios over the years. I tend to use a couple of matched condenser mics and point one to the body and one to the neck. Again, you will be stripping the bed to stop as many reflections as possible with the trusty duvet. You can X-Y them and experiment with positioning until you get something that you are happy with. You can be fairly aggressive with how close they are too (12 TO 18 INCHES). At the same time I record a DI as well. Once recorded I pan the mic-ed recordings to a beliveable setting (maybe 30% off centre) and have a bit of a play with the phase of the channels to make sure nothing odd's happened on the way in. (You can also put a bit of Hi-pass on the neck, and Lo-pass on the body to add to the stereo perception). When I have got a nice sounding representation of the guitar I then bring in the DI to the centre to "flesh out" the part and send them to a group to compress to taste.

Everything else should serve as a "book end" to your vocal and guitar. I am a bit "old fashioned" in the fact I still believe anything brought in should "earn" its place in the mix, but if you have the luxury of spending time with it "Experiment". Without mistakes there is no evolution and our industry is littered with "happy accidents".

I agree 100% with Elf that replacement rather than remediation is the way to go if at all possible.

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Re: A better mix new [Re: Scouser]
      #960531 - 24/12/11 02:08 PM
Elf,

Was the general timing I dealt with, not the fills so much, I tinkered with first one but my thinking is the second one is going to be replaced.

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Scouser



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Re: A better mix new [Re: Scouser]
      #960670 - 26/12/11 11:01 AM
Have updated track on myspace, I have played with the vocal a little and done my best to sort out main issues with the drums, would be interested in any further thoughts.. Would like to try the idea Liz suggested, but until I know how to, im a bit stuck.

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Re: A better mix new [Re: Scouser]
      #960728 - 26/12/11 09:35 PM
Quote Scouser:

Have updated track on myspace, I have played with the vocal a little and done my best to sort out main issues with the drums, would be interested in any further thoughts.. Would like to try the idea Liz suggested, but until I know how to, im a bit stuck.




Drums need to groove a bit better. Don't have any rhythm for me, they are just sort of there.


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Re: A better mix new [Re: Scouser]
      #960729 - 26/12/11 09:48 PM
Quote Scouser:

Have updated track on myspace, I have played with the vocal a little and done my best to sort out main issues with the drums, would be interested in any further thoughts.. Would like to try the idea Liz suggested, but until I know how to, im a bit stuck.




Joe the drums are much better but still betray what they are.

You are way good enough to work with a decent drummer, as I have observed before.

Get one.

Reg

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Scouser



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Re: A better mix new [Re: Scouser]
      #960755 - 27/12/11 09:51 AM
I wish I could get one Reg, not easy here on the island.. Thats why I went the collab route..

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