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Cubase 6 - brief first experience
#890332 - 27/01/11 10:04 AM
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I’ve only had an hour to play, but here’s a quick first impression.
THE GOOD
I like the look of it. The waveform displays on the main
Arrange Page are gorgeous - no big deal, but it’s all progress.
Drum
editing was my priority…
Hit detection is enormously improved, which is
good news for making use of phase-aligned drum editing. I’ve long been a user of the
laborious old ‘Cubeat Detective’ method:hitpoints - markers – macro split –
quantise – crossfade... yawn...
I ran a couple of tests of the new phase-aligned quantise feature with some
groups of drums and it got me 80% of the way there. Sure there’ll be some manual
tweaking required, but the 80% took me 2 minutes to achieve!
THE BAD & THE UGLY!
I’m fine with the mixer’s darker
look overall, but we’ve lost the colour differentiation between channel types. Oh dear,
oh dear, oh dear (face-palm); who on earth thought THAT was a good idea?! I’ve seen
‘discussions’ about this ‘feature’ in Steinberg’s forums – I sincerely hope
they take note and sort this one out ASAP!
Just thought I’d share!
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
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#890335 - 27/01/11 10:15 AM
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#890340 - 27/01/11 10:26 AM
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That is a beautiful creature!
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
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#890345 - 27/01/11 10:38 AM
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Thank you. His name is Cedric.
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
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#890350 - 27/01/11 10:52 AM
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Quote The Elf:
I ran a couple of
tests of the new phase-aligned quantise feature with some groups of drums and it got me
80% of the way there. Sure there’ll be some manual tweaking required, but the 80% took
me 2 minutes to achieve!
I should
mention that this was using the raw kick/snare tracks as hit references. I'm expecting
that I can significantly up that percentage by doing my usual trick of creating a
'sanitised' hit reference track.
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
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#890354 - 27/01/11 11:07 AM
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Can you still use C5 after upgrading to C6 just incase it buggers stuff up?
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#890360 - 27/01/11 11:21 AM
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Quote jaminem:
Can you still use
C5 after upgrading to C6 just incase it buggers stuff up?
Yes. SX3, C4 and C5 all still work fine here.
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
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#890382 - 27/01/11 12:39 PM
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how's the group editing stuff (the one that would be dead useful for editing multi-miked
guitars etc.)? and the take system? ... i have a birthday in a fortnight and
an album's worth of multi-miked guitars to edit down, so if i'm lucky (or beg the missus)
i might be able to splash out on the upgrade...
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
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#890389 - 27/01/11 12:53 PM
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Well, the group edit thing has been there for a while (at least in C5), and C6 hasn't
changed anything, so yep, it's fine. It certainly saves having to multi-select audio clips
before you edit anything - it's set and forget now.
The difference that C6
makes is that you can flip a little switch on a Folder Track and everything in that Folder
is grouped - that makes a lot of sense and keeps things nice and tidy. It certainly helps
when you're dealing with multi drum mic's, or DI + amped guitars tracks and the like.
So far, other than the ludicrous decision (if such it is, and not an oversight)
to set all channel types to the same colour, there's nothing to dislike so far. In fact
I'm even considering breaking my rule and running live with C6 before the second fix
release! Nah!
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
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#890411 - 27/01/11 02:24 PM
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Hmmm... getting very erratic metronome behaviour. In C5.5. we did notice that during the
first few bars of playback the 'nome would drop beats randomly, but then settle (this
happens on three different PCs, both XP and Win7). Under C6 it now doesn't settle and
there are beats missing all over.
Looks like I'm going to have to use a MIDI
click.
It may be something peculiar to my system, so if anyone else out there
is trying out C6 let me know. I've posted on Steiny's forum, so I'll report back if
there's a fix.
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
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#890424 - 27/01/11 03:36 PM
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Tks for your impressions!
In midi port setup the 'use system time stamp for
windows midi inputs' option is set to the same (on / off) as your other Cubase versions?
That could be causing the erractic midi behaviour.
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
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#890427 - 27/01/11 03:43 PM
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I'm away from the studio right now, but I'll look to see if that option is still there.
But there's no problem with MIDI timing - it simply appears to be an audio
drop-out on the sound of the in-built metronome.
I think I'll see how replacing
the generated beep with a sampled beep works. It's been suggested over on the Steiny forum
and it was something I'd considered.
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
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#890432 - 27/01/11 04:12 PM
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Quote The Elf:
Well, the group
edit thing has been there for a while (at least in C5), and C6 hasn't changed anything, so
yep, it's fine. It certainly saves having to multi-select audio clips before you edit
anything - it's set and forget now.
I haven't looked into it yet, but does C6 give you a good way of comping multiple
takes of a multitrack recording? Unless I'm missing something, in C5 you still have to
separately group takes across the multiple tracks, which is v. tedious.
(In
other words, say you have ten takes of a guitar part recorded with two mics onto two mono
tracks, so that all the parts are stacked up as lanes on those tracks. Previously it
didn't seem possible to automatically have take 1 on track 1 grouped with take 1 on track
2, and so on. Has that changed?)
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
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#890448 - 27/01/11 05:08 PM
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Quote Sam Inglis:
I haven't
looked into it yet, but does C6 give you a good way of comping multiple takes of a
multitrack recording?
It's an odd
thing, but I've never worked with 'Takes' in Cubase. I've got so used to simply (and
rapidly) duplicating up tracks that I do all the work myself! It's really something I
should bull up on, so here's my opportunity - I'll give
it a go and report back.
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
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#890487 - 27/01/11 07:53 PM
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Elfy - any chance of a screenshot to illustrate the lack of colour-co-ordination in the
mixer? I use take lanes in C4 all the time, but I'm not sure I get what you
mean. If I'm recording in stereo, then it all goes onto one stereo track, rather than
across two mono tracks. I can see where you'd have a problem if you were recording a
multitracked instrument and wanted to synchronise the take changes. Maybe you
could use a 5.1 track and pan the channels into the front stereo field? In C6
(which I haven't taken the plunge with yet) having them all in one folder and using the
folder edit function might get you half way there.
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
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#890515 - 27/01/11 09:59 PM
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 Here you go. The 'scribble strip' colouring is my
own. Channel 33 is an Audio Track Channels 34-36 are Group Tracks Channel
37 is an FX Track. All darkly uniform...
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
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#890521 - 27/01/11 11:02 PM
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Thanks for posting your first impressions. That colour scheme looks quite a lot
like Sonar 8 to me! I like the way Cubase 5.x looks, it's something I've got
very used to and prefer over earlier versions or any of the Sonar versions I've worked
with. This does look a bit clearer somehow, but you are right about losing the
colour coding for groups/FX tracks. Big mistake.
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
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#890574 - 28/01/11 09:42 AM
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Yeah, I was thinking it had the Sonar colours. Can't you change that Elf in
preferences? I know the dark blue arrange page colours can't be altered but I would
have assumed the mixer pages could be. If it's a flaw and you report it to
Ya,/Stein, could you ask them to finish the bug fixes for SX3 please? It's only been 5
years.
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
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#890583 - 28/01/11 09:57 AM
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Quote Zukan:
Can't you change
that Elf in preferences?
Not sure,
but you’ve made me think. I’d assumed it would be an ‘all or nothing’ preference,
but I’ll have to see if the colour options go down to track type level. I suspect not,
but it’s worth a look. Ta Zuke!
Quote Zukan:
If it's a flaw and you report it to
Ya,/Stein, could you ask them to finish the bug fixes for SX3 please? It's only been 5
years.
They did finish it – it
was called Cubase 4! Snigger!
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
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#890584 - 28/01/11 10:01 AM
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#890595 - 28/01/11 10:32 AM
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I still haven't had time to dig deeper into C6 as yet, but I've decided to commit a mix to
C6 that I'll complete it this weekend. I did some of the prep last night and so far I've
been very impressed. I hadn't realised how useful the 'folder grouping' feature would be -
it's already becoming second nature and fits my working methods very well.
I'll
only get to working with lanes when I undertake the next tracking session with C6 - I'll
need to be very comfortable with C6 before I commit to that.
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
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#890596 - 28/01/11 10:36 AM
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Elf, if you get the time m8 do a review as there seem to be a lot of Cubase owners
here....
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
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#890598 - 28/01/11 10:42 AM
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Quote The Elf:
Quote Sam Inglis:
I haven't
looked into it yet, but does C6 give you a good way of comping multiple takes of a
multitrack recording?
It's an odd
thing, but I've never worked with 'Takes' in Cubase. I've got so used to simply (and
rapidly) duplicating up tracks that I do all the work myself! It's really something I
should bull up on, so here's my opportunity - I'll give
it a go and report back.
The
lanes thing in C5 is fab. Perfect vocal track? Put it on loop and sing the whole thing 3
times. Audition the final take, phrase by phrase. Which phrase isn't perfect? Snip the
offending phrase and mute it, to hear the 2nd take phrase. Is that one ok? No? repeat
above process. Simples.
If you can genuinely do that now, for say a whole drum
kit's worth of mics, that would be pretty cool. Not something I desperately need
personally though.
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
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#890619 - 28/01/11 12:01 PM
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I have to say I'm not wild about the Lanes thing even for single tracks like vocals. Once
you get beyond a few takes, each individual lane gets so small you can't see the waveform
properly, and it makes it too easy to muck up the whole business of properly assembling a
comp with crossfades and so on. I much prefer the Pro Tools approach with separate
playlists -- which can be linked across tracks within an Edit Group.
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
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#890634 - 28/01/11 12:57 PM
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With regard to lanes. I just highlight the takes - events to part - and then comp in the
part.
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
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#890638 - 28/01/11 01:03 PM
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That's the way I've done it in the past.
Given the number of ways we all have
of undertaking these tasks - and achieving the results - it says something for Cubase's
flexibility, if nothing else!
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
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#890674 - 28/01/11 02:47 PM
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I was slightly underwhelmed by the new features in C6 but it certainly does seem that a
lot of bits just work better. I have a very poorly recorded song with lots of bleed,
erratic timing, fluctuating levels, 2 tracks of drums, and guitar tracks that need to be
replaced that I bring-out and re-mix as my first job with each new major Cubase update -
and C6 has grown on me quite nicely. Personally I like the new look but was mortified to
lose the track colour strip (until I realised that you can change colour by alt clicking
to the left of the track list). I had a chuckle at the new Group Edit which I
actually rather like but which is functionally pretty similar to the old ctrl - G track
grouping, and I'm certainly a fan of the new lanes implementation for comping. The new tempo calculator is a great idea but on this particular track (pre-mixed drums
with huge vocal bleed) it comes out consistently wrong - spot on on other clearer tracks
though. The new amp sim looks a lot better than the old, I'm going to try a
couple of re-recorded tracks through it this weekend and see how it compares with
Amplitube 3 (which in my opinion sets the bar pretty high). What I would still
like to see is the ability to see inserts, sends and eq for each track at the same time in
the mixer (as against just the insert / send / band numbers) butt that just doesn't appear
to be in the Cubase paradigm. Most guttting is tha there isn't a paper manual
which there was with the C5 update  but
overall I'm pleased, and BTW it's been absolutely rock steady with my RME FF400.
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
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#890706 - 28/01/11 04:42 PM
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Been playing today, seems very solid, and I usually suffer with my Liquid Mix, UAD-1,
UAD-2 and Powercore combo.
Like the new look, folder tracks ok, but it did
winge a bit stating it may mess up should I try to edit the folder track as the audio
clips where different lengths or something.
Theres a nice new little feautre
where you can see overlaps in your audio regions which is useful when crossfading.
All in all, pretty impressed, but I would be as long as it didn`t crash or screw
up, which it hasn't except...
My MR816x had a bit of a wendy on after first
install even though I had updated the drivers to 1.7. A reboot sorted it though.
Finally, although there is no paper manual, it comes in a rather nice little box...
Using it on a project recorded last weekend, biggest praise I can give it really.
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
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#890707 - 28/01/11 04:50 PM
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I'm with you - the box is lovely, very nice texture and colour.
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
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#890711 - 28/01/11 05:17 PM
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Best box yet, the software is pretty good too.
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
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#890769 - 28/01/11 08:56 PM
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Anybody running it with XP?
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
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#891012 - 30/01/11 08:45 AM
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does anyone know what the cost of upgrading from 5 to 6 is? (ohhh, and
hi. Im new here  ) Jude
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
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#891014 - 30/01/11 08:49 AM
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Hi and welcome, Jude!
Well it was 126 UK Pounds to me, but you should to head
over to www.steinberg.net and
you'll get the definitive answer there.
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#891018 - 30/01/11 09:06 AM
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Cheers, will have a look over there. im liking this place already, so helpful!
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
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#891023 - 30/01/11 09:49 AM
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Shucks! We try... Be sure to come back and let us know how you're getting on
with C6.
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#891025 - 30/01/11 09:51 AM
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Quote steve355:
Anybody
running it with XP?
Steve, if I
can get my current workload out of the way I'm going to attempt an XP installation this
week. As soon as I have I'll report back.
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
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#891030 - 30/01/11 11:17 AM
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Quote Jude May:
does anyone know
what the cost of upgrading from 5 to 6 is?
£113 from Digital Village: http://www.dv247.com/computer-music-software/steinberg-cubase-6-update--82
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They had sold out at my local store, but they offered to deliver it with
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
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#891113 - 30/01/11 09:43 PM
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Been having a lovely time with C6.
I decided to install the 64-bit version
and jump in right there. I was previously using C5 32-bit.
I've found the
VSTBridge to be the reported waste of time (and VST performance) with the 32-bit plugs I
still need (PowerCore and Sonnox stuff), but jBridge has worked delightfully.
My Frontier Alphatrack is fine, and the Novation Automap software layer (which I find
invaluable) is still functioning.
No irritating hiccups to report here (as
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#891118 - 30/01/11 10:02 PM
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I've not found any of my old plugs that don't work as yet. How do you 'use' JBridge?
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#891121 - 30/01/11 10:03 PM
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Quote InactiveX:
Been having a
lovely time with C6.
I decided to install the 64-bit version and jump in right
there. I was previously using C5 32-bit.
I've found the VSTBridge to be the
reported waste of time (and VST performance) with the 32-bit plugs I still need (PowerCore
and Sonnox stuff), but jBridge has worked delightfully.
My Frontier Alphatrack
is fine, and the Novation Automap software layer (which I find invaluable) is still
functioning.
No irritating hiccups to report here (as yet).
Sorry for going Off Topic but are you using
automap with jbridged plugins? If so which way round do you do it? jbridge first, automap
second?
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
[Re: The Elf]
#891133 - 30/01/11 10:54 PM
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Quote ezza:
Quote InactiveX:
Been having a
lovely time with C6.
I decided to install the 64-bit version and jump in
right there. I was previously using C5 32-bit.
I've found the VSTBridge to be
the reported waste of time (and VST performance) with the 32-bit plugs I still need
(PowerCore and Sonnox stuff), but jBridge has worked delightfully.
My
Frontier Alphatrack is fine, and the Novation Automap software layer (which I find
invaluable) is still functioning.
No irritating hiccups to report here (as
yet).
Sorry for going Off
Topic but are you using automap with jbridged plugins? If so which way round do you do it?
jbridge first, automap second?
/e
Yes I am.
I've been doing the Automap wrapping first, and
then jBridge.
I haven't tried it the other way around.
Automap
Pro 3.7
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
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#891721 - 02/02/11 09:38 AM
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Quote The Elf:
Quote steve355:
Anybody
running it with XP?
Steve, if I
can get my current workload out of the way I'm going to attempt an XP installation this
week. As soon as I have I'll report back.
Well, (after an iterative system drive backup!) I took the plunge
yesterday with the ‘other studio’ PC...
...
It seems to work perfectly well. If there are any snags I haven’t stumbled into them
yet. I tried a selection of projects created both in Cubase 5 (under both WinXP and Win7)
and my Win7 Cubase 6. Everything loaded fine and behaved impeccably – plug-ins and all.
C6 seemed sprightly enough on this slightly older PC. The new prettified waveform display
on the arrange page went down well with onlookers!
So I’m taking the further
plunge and will begin tracking with C6 under WinXP tomorrow. If anything nasty happens
I’ll report back.
This is not me telling anyone out there to copy me; all I
can say is that it works fine for me on this one PC. I haven’t done anything that could
remotely be described as ‘testing’. Steinberg won’t support you under Win XP, so
you’re on your own if it goes awry.
My own advice would be to make sure that
you always have a verified image copy of your system drive, from which you be certain you
can make a full recovery, before undertaking ANY significant installation.
I’m still mumbling about the removal of track-type colouring, but I split my work
across the three mixers anyway, so I can live with it. Unfortunately Steinberg hasn’t
responded to my question on their own forum, so I don’t know if this removal is by
accident or design. I’ve asked for coloured fader caps, which would be an even neater
solution to my way of thinking – again, with no response... 
Other than this I’ve not found anything to really dislike. I still haven’t fooled
with lanes, but maybe I’ll take tomorrow’s vocal tracking session as an opportunity to
begin – single tracks only, to begin with; to give me an easy time of it! Later I may be
able to speak with more authority on the subject!
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
[Re: ezza]
#891734 - 02/02/11 10:04 AM
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I tried to install the 64bit PC version last week. I got an error message when it loaded
eLicense. Now when I open eLicense, I can't see any of my licenses. Cubase 6 obviously
does not work. I've tried reinstalling various versions of e-License with no joy. Weirdly,
Cubase 5 still works (thank god!). Anyone else had anything similar?
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
[Re: marsnic]
#891736 - 02/02/11 10:11 AM
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Quote marsnic:
I tried to install
the 64bit PC version last week. I got an error message when it loaded eLicense. Now when I
open eLicense, I can't see any of my licenses. Cubase 6 obviously does not work. I've
tried reinstalling various versions of e-License with no joy. Weirdly, Cubase 5 still
works (thank god!). Anyone else had anything similar?
Did your license update process finish correctly, when you put in
the new C6 serial number?
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
[Re: jaminem]
#891743 - 02/02/11 10:24 AM
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Quote jaminem:
Quote marsnic:
I tried to
install the 64bit PC version last week. I got an error message when it loaded eLicense.
Now when I open eLicense, I can't see any of my licenses. Cubase 6 obviously does not
work. I've tried reinstalling various versions of e-License with no joy. Weirdly, Cubase 5
still works (thank god!). Anyone else had anything similar?
Did your license update process finish
correctly, when you put in the new C6 serial number?
No it didn't
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
[Re: The Elf]
#891750 - 02/02/11 11:08 AM
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Slightly OT but I wonder if Steinberg have considered the following popularity
ratings :
Win7 Vista Win2003 WinXP W2000 Linux Mac 29.1% 8.9% 1.1% 47.2% 0.2% 5.0% 7.3%
As of Dec 2010.
I'll be
interested to hear your assessment of it on XP Mr Elf....
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
[Re: Sam Inglis]
#891839 - 02/02/11 03:47 PM
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Quote Sam Inglis:
Quote The Elf:
Well, the group
edit thing has been there for a while (at least in C5), and C6 hasn't changed anything, so
yep, it's fine. It certainly saves having to multi-select audio clips before you edit
anything - it's set and forget now.
I haven't looked into it yet, but does C6 give you a good way of comping multiple
takes of a multitrack recording? Unless I'm missing something, in C5 you still have to
separately group takes across the multiple tracks, which is v. tedious.
(In
other words, say you have ten takes of a guitar part recorded with two mics onto two mono
tracks, so that all the parts are stacked up as lanes on those tracks. Previously it
didn't seem possible to automatically have take 1 on track 1 grouped with take 1 on track
2, and so on. Has that changed?)
I've been reading up on this. From the manual:
"Edit actions in Group Editing
mode affect all grouped events, parts or ranges. If you select another take by using the
small "To Front" arrow at the right side of one event of an Edit Group e.g., all other
tracks inside the Edit Group also switch to the corresponding take. This is very useful
for comparing takes of a multi-track recording."
Neat - all I have to do now is
try it in anger!
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
[Re: The Elf]
#892241 - 03/02/11 06:54 PM
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Quote The Elf:
I've been
reading up on this. From the manual:
"Edit actions in Group Editing mode affect
all grouped events, parts or ranges. If you select another take by using the small "To
Front" arrow at the right side of one event of an Edit Group e.g., all other tracks inside
the Edit Group also switch to the corresponding take. This is very useful for comparing
takes of a multi-track recording."
Neat - all I have to do now is try it in
anger!
That seems like a very
complicated way of saying something quite simple, so much so that I've no idea what it
means.
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
[Re: oggyb]
#892279 - 03/02/11 09:17 PM
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Quote oggyb:
Quote The Elf:
I've been
reading up on this. From the manual:
"Edit actions in Group Editing mode affect
all grouped events, parts or ranges. If you select another take by using the small "To
Front" arrow at the right side of one event of an Edit Group e.g., all other tracks inside
the Edit Group also switch to the corresponding take. This is very useful for comparing
takes of a multi-track recording."
Neat - all I have to do now is try it in
anger!
That seems like a very
complicated way of saying something quite simple, so much so that I've no idea what it
means.

It means... if you lift a chunk of audio to the top of the pile of 'takes', all of its
friends come along with it, i.e. those chunks that were recorded as part of the same
'take' (e.g. multiple mic's on a guitar cab).
So it keeps everything neat and
tidy for you automatically.
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
[Re: marsnic]
#892298 - 03/02/11 10:28 PM
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Quote marsnic:
I tried to install
the 64bit PC version last week. I got an error message when it loaded eLicense. Now when I
open eLicense, I can't see any of my licenses. Cubase 6 obviously does not work. I've
tried reinstalling various versions of e-License with no joy. Weirdly, Cubase 5 still
works (thank god!). Anyone else had anything similar?
Similar, yes, though not the same. I did the install (C6 32 bit
on Win 7 64-bit). The license went on to my dongle ok, and the eLicense control centre
could see it... but when I booted up Cubase, it couldn't detect the license, asked me to
authorise, but said that my activation code had been used... Four reboots later, it seemed
to work ok.
And my Wavelab 7 license disappeared off one connected dongle, to
be replaced by an 18 hour 'All Licenses' authorisation.
Having gone through
all that... I've had a relatively pain-free time of using C6 on a mix today. The one
annoyance was that the VST2 de-esser I'd been using has been replaced by an identical VST3
version... but it didn't load the new version despite the old one not being present.
That's a bit of a minor issue though.
It didn't load all my preferences... had
to re-setup the audio interface, VST connections, external effects etc. And it didn't
capture C5's latest files list or anything like that, which was also a pain.
Cubase has lost contact with my computer keyboard twice - ie no keyboard shortcuts or
transport control, though the keyboard was evidently fine as I could type in Win explorer,
and type file name when it came time to save.
...but the immediate access to
fades is an improvement; changing the mixer colour is an improvement (but only Steinberg
wouldn't opt for a colour palette to choose your colour theme; adn the fixed track colour
code (at least I think it's fixed) is a minor annoyance); using lanes on a track is much
improved; it feels a little quicker and more responsive, except when scrolling by dragging
on the arrange page during playback.
Not had a chance to try the group edit
function yet, nor the hitpoint to MIDI note function, but my fingers are crossed as I plan
to use those soon...
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
[Re: The Elf]
#892329 - 04/02/11 02:48 AM
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Quote The Elf:
Quote oggyb:
Quote The Elf:
Boom
Biff

It means... if you lift a chunk of audio to the top of the pile of 'takes', all of its
friends come along with it, i.e. those chunks that were recorded as part of the same
'take' (e.g. multiple mic's on a guitar cab).
So it keeps everything neat and
tidy for you automatically.
Excellent. That sounds very helpful indeed.
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
[Re: The Elf]
#892344 - 04/02/11 09:01 AM
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Quote The Elf:
It means... if you
lift a chunk of audio to the top of the pile of 'takes', all of its friends come along
with it, i.e. those chunks that were recorded as part of the same 'take' (e.g. multiple
mic's on a guitar cab).
So it keeps everything neat and tidy for you
automatically.
so does it
work as well as hoped?
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
[Re: onesecondglance]
#892359 - 04/02/11 10:12 AM
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Yes, it works very nicely. I was a bit wary of handing over control of ‘takes’ to the
software when I'm comfortable with sorting it out myself, but this works pretty much as if
I *was* handling it myself - with a little assistance in keeping my stuff in line.
'Lanes' work very much like Edit Groups anyway, and I like Edit Groups – I like
them even more now I can just flip a button for a Folder track - which, to my of thinking,
is the only sensible way to keep from having a mind-meltdown. The hardest part at this
stage is remembering the modifier keys for the various comping tools! I’m sure it’ll
stick eventually...
...and while we’re on the subject of modifier keys,
here’s a late undocumented feature that makes me smile:
You can add or
remove a VST plug-in to or from all selected channels at once by holding down
[Shift]-[Alt]/[Option.
Neat.
Hit point detection is definitely
much improved.
Again, apart from the lack of channel type colouring I’ve
not found anything to dislike yet.
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
[Re: The Elf]
#892366 - 04/02/11 10:48 AM
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excellent - i have a big project with about ten songs worth of multi-miked guitars over
multiple takes to edit down. sounds like it would be worth me upgrading as soon as
possible!
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
[Re: onesecondglance]
#892635 - 05/02/11 01:51 PM
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It's now been 2 weeks since purchase and I've not managed to launch this. - SB unable to
resolve my eLicence problem. I'm not serious about this but perhaps it would be easier to
wait for a cracked version.
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
[Re: The Elf]
#892717 - 05/02/11 08:20 PM
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2 weeks? That's terrible. Especially as the eLicenser is for no-one's benefit but
Steinberg's. I wouldn't blame you for looking for a cracked copy, as you've
paid for it and can't use it.  Still enjoying C6, although sometimes I get no audio when I first start Cubase. A reset
in the VST settings cures it and it keeps going all day.
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
[Re: marsnic]
#892728 - 05/02/11 09:42 PM
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Did you take an image copy befopre the installation? It would be worth restoring to that
point and taking another run at it.
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
[Re: The Elf]
#892780 - 06/02/11 09:53 AM
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Stupidly I forgot to take an image. I think it might be worth going back to an earlier
image as you say and starting again. I'm thinking about going 64bit Cbase anyway so I have
a fair amount of re-installing plugs anyway. I've tried loading C6 on my laptop and my
iMac and it works fine so the dongle is fine. The weird thing is that the eLicense does
not see the dongle at all yet Cubase 5 still runs. Does anyone know if Cubase 5 and 6
access the dongle in a different ways? v. strange.
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
[Re: InactiveX]
#892781 - 06/02/11 09:53 AM
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Quote InactiveX:
2 weeks? That's
terrible. Especially as the eLicenser is for no-one's benefit but Steinberg's.
I wouldn't blame you for looking for a cracked copy, as you've paid for it and can't use
it. 
Still enjoying C6, although sometimes I get no audio when I first
start Cubase. A reset in the VST settings cures it and it keeps going all day.
What audio interface are you using?
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
[Re: marsnic]
#892786 - 06/02/11 10:11 AM
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Quote marsnic:
Stupidly I forgot
to take an image.
Quote marsnic:
I think
it might be worth going back to an earlier image as you say and starting again.
That would be my approach. I'd feel happier
under my own steam than waiting for assistance. I seriously doubt the ability of any
troubleshooter to remotely get you through an obscure problem anyway.
Quote marsnic:
I'm thinking
about going 64bit Cbase anyway...
You can install both 64 and 32-bit anyway, so there's no bridge burning required.
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Re: Cubase 6 - brief first experience
[Re: marsnic]
#892787 - 06/02/11 10:34 AM
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Quote marsnic:
Quote InactiveX:
Still enjoying
C6, although sometimes I get no audio when I first start Cubase. A reset in the VST
settings cures it and it keeps going all day.
What audio interface are you using?
It's an ESI Maya44e PCIe card. I also have
two PowerCore PCIs. I'm starting to establish a pattern but it'll take a while to nail
down, I think.
Any ideas?
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