For those who are interested in conducting a home studio DIY acoustic treatment project for under a £1000, pls read my newly upladed tutorials.
I best just put the link to the thread in another sub-forum here. and

If this is in breach of forum rules, mods pls delete or move.

Thnx and I hope you enjoy the tutorials. Part 1 here.

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Stretch That Note

I think that is a useful and helpful line, Zukan. Thanks

hugh

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Just noticed the new thread. Thanks for the info Zukan!

P-X

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My Home Studio Build Thread

Thnx.

For those who have been following these tutorials, here is Part 3.

Hope you enjoy it.

Thnx

Z

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Samplecraze
Stretch That Note

Zukan,

You know what should be nice:

Those Super Chunks are called SSC which is shortened for Studiotips Super Chunks.

That design originated from there and are measured by Auralex as a Courtesy to Studiotips. Also Jeff and the moderators agreed on that name in honor of Dan the owner, who made it indirect possible, by investing personal money and energy.
Studiotips has no income whatsoever.

You don't remove part of the original name.
SSC not SC
Studiotips Super Chunks, not Super Chunks

Warm regards
Eric

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Thnx.

For those who have been following these tutorials, here is Part 3.

Hope you enjoy it.

Thnx

Z

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You do realise youre going to wake up one morning sober, look round, phone up Max and say "what the feck have you done to my house!?"

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Zukan,

You know what should be nice:

Those Super Chunks are called SSC which is shortened for Studiotips Super Chunks.

That design originated from there and are measured by Auralex as a Courtesy to Studiotips. Also Jeff and the moderators agreed on that name in honor of Dan the owner, who made it indirect possible, by investing personal money and energy.
Studiotips has no income whatsoever.

You don't remove part of the original name.
SSC not SC
Studiotips Super Chunks, not Super Chunks

Warm regards
Eric

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Interesting.

Had no idea this is what they are called.

Max and I have referred to them as Super Chunks.

Might amend the tutorials when I get the chance.

Thnx for pointing that out.

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Samplecraze
Stretch That Note

The discussion regarding the origin of the so-called SSC is being discussed separately in this thread

Hugh

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Technical Editor, Sound On Sound

oh that terrific rockwool....do you know if there's any equivalent but less dangerous material with such good specifications for building a cheap basstrap?

Cheers
Stefano

Rockwool is NOT dangerous. Search the forum. There have been many discussions about it.

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uhmm i tried but nothing.. i found http://www.epa.gov/ttn/atw/hlthef/finemineral.html this, and even if it's not PROVEN to be dangerous, it's classified as POSSIBLY dangerous. well, many things are supposed to be, but i confess i'm quite scared about that in particular...asbestos is still used in the US, while we know what it has done here in europe..

- even if http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockwool#Safety_of_material seems to say it's not. whew...



by the way, returning to acoustics - is there any alternative then?

rigid fibreglass slabs work as an alternative...

rockwool IS safe PROVIDED that it is wrapped in acoustic material such that surface fibre shedding can't take place easily... or at all..... i usually also recommend a light treatment of a dilute PVA solution to fix the outer fibres in place ....

if it wasn't safe i wouldn;t use it.


but it MUST be borne in mind that the fine loose fibres DO pose a health risk unless dealt with as suggested above....

the material isn;t a carcinogen in and of itself... but the fine fibres can cause damage to the bronchial tubes and smaller air passages in the lungs , long term unprotected exposure leading to a build up of scar tissue where you need it the least........ and this is where the problems start......

sensible precautions for those handling it raw and often, and sensible precautions for installed devices using it, is all that's required to nullify these risks.

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if it wasn't safe i wouldn;t use it.

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Someone told me it leads to sudden and violent attacks of facial hair.

Is this true?

I'd like to sort of jump on the thread to ask for a little enlighment.
I mean, I am into the process of constructing my studio out of an old (small) staple (staples ?).
Anyway.
These DIY stuff are exactly what I need nad I try to find as much as I can to help design my future "homeplace" as I'd like it to be.
Although there tons of question, I'd like to know two things

1) How choose the fabric to cover the whole trap ? These explanations don't tell that much Sometimes it is said that it must be acoustically neutral. How can one know ?

2) Can one really get sufficient bass traping only with rock wool, without invloving some barrier mat kind of material ?

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I'd like to sort of jump on the thread to ask for a little enlighment.
I mean, I am into the process of constructing my studio out of an old (small) staple (staples ?).
Anyway.
These DIY stuff are exactly what I need nad I try to find as much as I can to help design my future "homeplace" as I'd like it to be.
Although there tons of question, I'd like to know two things

1) How choose the fabric to cover the whole trap ? These explanations don't tell that much Sometimes it is said that it must be acoustically neutral. How can one know ?

2) Can one really get sufficient bass traping only with rock wool, without invloving some barrier mat kind of material ?

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1) if you can easily breathe through it when stretched tight across your mouth... it's a fair bet.... the most commonly used in the Uk and europe is probably Interface fabrics " Cara"


2) yes, no, maybe... entirely dependent on room size and geometry , and required results... I typically combine Limp mass, broadband absorption, Perforated surface, and damped membrane designs. But I have done rooms with only broadband when necessary.... I do try not to go for highly tuned devices unless they're absolutely necessary....


Max

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if you don't know who i am, i aint gonna tell you.

Thank you very much. This is indeed very helpful.

Are these tutorials still available?

I tried clicking on the link - it takes me to the Samplecraze website but I cannot find the tutorials there (although there seems to be some excellent stuff on other topics).

Sorry if I am being dumb or missing something obvious.

Max.

i also tried - looks like theyve expired.

time to unsticky this link?

Apologies........all back up and running now.

Thnx for pointing out the exclusion.

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rigid fibreglass slabs work as an alternative...

rockwool IS safe PROVIDED that it is wrapped in acoustic material such that surface fibre shedding can't take place easily... or at all..... i usually also recommend a light treatment of a dilute PVA solution to fix the outer fibres in place ....

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what is this PVA solution I don't I have ever come across it please can you help what is used for and to which store I can buy this stuff ?

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PVA glue is widely available form any DIY store - here are some details:

www.thistothat.com/glue/pva.shtml


Martin

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what is this PVA solution I don't I have ever come across it please can you help what is used for and to which store I can buy this stuff ?

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It's not widely known that PVA serves the role of resin in emulsion paints. In other words emulsion paint *is* a dilute PVA solution. So just slap on some emulsion paint!

Chris

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Mr Punch's Studio

Polyvinyl acrylate glue is also sold as Bondex for, among other things, prepping masonry tro receive plaster and (in my case) providing a gripping surface for rendering 150 year old granite blocks.
Smashing, versatile stuff!
I also use it for woodworking, which I believe was the original purpose for which it was marketed!

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Thnx.

For those who have been following these tutorials, here is Part 3.

Hope you enjoy it.

Thnx

Z

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You do realise youre going to wake up one morning sober, look round, phone up Max and say "what the feck have you done to my house!?"

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Ha ha ha !

Wow!!
thanks,it's helping me alot!

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Hi guys,
am finding the tutorials are excellent and i am enjoying reading them.

I can find part 1 & 3 but no 2?!

if you could direct me to it, that would be great!

thanks

Part 2

Excuse the images alignment. It's being sorted.

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Samplecraze
Stretch That Note

thanks for putting part 2 up!

Thanks for sharing this info Zurkan.

Im considering doing my garage out to take things to the next level, Some great info here.

This is great. Not enough people understand how easy and inexpensive it is to put together a sound treatment setup that is much more than adequate

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Good sound, for a sound mind

Good advice here for when starting out as whatever you can do to mitigate the inherent problems of any room is important. I guess it all depends to what level you expect to take the recordings but to get started definitely worth following most of these points.

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www.acousticfields.com low frequency absorption solutions. Listen to the music without hearing the room!

Good stickie! To add to this thread, there is an interesting interview on the topic of acoustic treatment here:

Acoustic Treatments for home studios