Forum - Main Forums : Recording Techniques

SOS Forum

Today's Active Topics · FORUM INDEX · Search Forum · Who's Online? · FAQs/Help · Calendar

Main Forums >> Recording Techniques

Print Thread

Pages: 1

GlynB

Joined: 26/09/03
Posts: 3921
Loc: Lancashire, UK.

Condenser mic life?
#1016550 - 01/11/12 11:30 AM

How long could one expect a cheepo condenser mic to last these days?

What would be the sign that it was time to replace? Would it start to lose clarity and become dull? or would it just give up the ghost as the plate deteriorated?

Ive been using this RV10 with good results for a few years...

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun02/articles/red5mics.asp

Just wondering if there's anything better around now in the low budget range?

--------------------

Post Extras:

James Perrett

Joined: 10/09/01
Posts: 9709
Loc: The wilds of Hampshire

Re: Condenser mic life? new

[Re: GlynB]
#1016566 - 01/11/12 12:44 PM

Provided you look after it, I would expect a true condenser mic to last over 50 years without requiring any major work. Even electret condenser mics (which have been occasionally known to lose their charge over time) should last at least 20-30 years.

Signs of ageing include increased noise as dirt accumulates on the capsule and reduced sensitivity as the electret charge becomes weaker.

James.

--------------------
JRP Music - Audio Mastering and Restoration.
http://www.jrpmusic.net

Post Extras:

Hugh Robjohns
SOS Technical Editor

Joined: 25/07/03
Posts: 18540
Loc: Worcestershire

Re: Condenser mic life? new

[Re: GlynB]
#1016568 - 01/11/12 12:45 PM

Quote GlynB:

How long could one expect a cheepo condenser mic to last these days?

I prefer the term 'capacitor mic' -- condensers died out in the 1950s!

But are we talking about a DC-biased capacitor capsule here, or an electret? it makes a big difference!

Quote:

What would be the sign that it was time to replace? Would it start to lose clarity and become dull? or would it just give up the ghost as the plate deteriorated?

A DC-biased capacitor mic should go on for ever. There is no inherent deterioration process in the capsule itself. Dirt on the diaphragm (or a very high humidity environment) will cause temporary charge leakage that will reduce the output level and lead to hissing and/or 'frying' noises, but that can be cleaned and performance fully restored by a skilled technician.

An electret mic can lose the internal stored charge over time and that will also reduce output level and increase noise. Early electret mics (from the 70s and 80s) are much worse for this than modern designs which are vastly improved and can expect a life of 50 years or more.

If it sounds dull it could be a contaminated diaphragm -- especially if it has been used a lot on close vocals without a pop screen, or in a smokey environment -- or it could conceivably be because the diaphragm has stretched if used in front of very loud sources (especially kick drums).

Alternatively, it could be caused by deteriorating components -- especially ageing capacitors -- in the impedance converter electronics.

If it was a high end mic from a company with a decent service department then it would be worth returning it for a service... but in this case I doubt that is an option at all, let alone a cost-effective option. The good news is that there are a lot of well performing cheap mics around these days, as semi-disposable prices!

Hugh

--------------------
Technical Editor, Sound On Sound

Post Extras:

GlynB

Joined: 26/09/03
Posts: 3921
Loc: Lancashire, UK.

Re: Condenser mic life? new

[Re: GlynB]
#1016773 - 02/11/12 12:30 PM

Both - Thanks very much for the advice/assurance.

--------------------

Post Extras:

Sam Inglis
SOS Features Editor

Joined: 15/12/00
Posts: 1395

Re: Condenser mic life? new

[Re: Hugh Robjohns]
#1016779 - 02/11/12 12:47 PM

Quote Hugh Robjohns:

A DC-biased capacitor mic should go on for ever. There is no inherent deterioration process in the capsule itself.

Some of the materials that were used to make diaphragms in the past seem to be prone to age-related problems. I've had two AKG C414s -- one with the 'brass ring' capsule and one with the 'nylon' capsule -- that have suffered loss of tension in the diaphragm. (Hopefully of course this is a problem that is confined to a few older mics, and shouldn't arise with new designs.)

Post Extras:

Magic Matt

Joined: 17/09/10
Posts: 141

Re: Condenser mic life? new

[Re: GlynB]
#1018287 - 12/11/12 07:20 PM

Quote GlynB:

How long could one expect a cheepo condenser mic to last these days?

About 10 minutes if you let the drummer get hold of it...

From personal experience.

Post Extras:

Tamika Caleigh

Joined: 23/03/13
Posts: 10

Re: Condenser mic life? new

[Re: GlynB]
#1039578 - 24/03/13 03:11 AM

Recently, however, condenser mics have come down in cost, and you can buy a decent one for about $200. Very good ones start about $500.

spam signature removed

Edited by zenguitar (24/03/13 12:38 PM)

Post Extras:

Pages: 1

Extra Information
0 registered and 56 anonymous users are browsing this forum. Moderator: David Etheridge, James Perrett, zenguitar, Martin Walker, Forum Admin, Hugh Robjohns, Zukan, Frank Eleveld, Will Betts,	Forum Permissions You cannot start new topics You cannot reply to topics HTML is disabled UBBCode is enabled	Rating: Thread views: 2177