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(yet again) Best Pc processor/motheboard ? new
      #8049 - 07/09/04 07:54 PM
A big Hi there to all of you.

I know this has been over discussed but I am about to buy a new processor & motherboard and would like to know your opinion on wich is the best bet yet.
My mind is going towards this configuration:


Motherboard - P4C800/DELUXE , Mainboard (800MHz Intel Canterwood MCH) ATX, Socket 478 DDR/audio/4 USB2.0/RAIDsata/Glan/1394

Processor - Pentium 4 3,2 GHz socket 478 FSB 800 MHz (cache 1MB) (Prescott)

I was hoping to buy a motherboard with the new intel chipsets, but since reading it´s SOS review i was put off.
As for the AMD 64 , i don´t see it beeing worth the bucks, since there´s no 64 Windows OS (Longhorn) coming out at least for now (wich I believe to be due to the lack of 64 bit processors from Intel).

All help is welcome.


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Re: (yet again) Best Pc processor/motheboard ? new [Re: ::Bruno::]
      #8594 - 08/09/04 12:40 PM
hello, i also need a motherboard that will be able to deal with 24 channel live recording, an intell 3.06 hyper thread i think with plenty of pci slot's , can any one point me in the right direction of an up to date and reliable board. cheer's


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Re: (yet again) Best Pc processor/motheboard ? new [Re: ::Bruno::]
      #8606 - 08/09/04 12:48 PM
I use this exact combination with 1GB (2x512Mb Dual Channel)of RAM and find it to be great. I run Logic 5, EXS24, NI XPress Keyboards (I'm too lazy to programme ) and NI Guitar Rig on Windows 2000 and it works great.

I haven't maxed it out yet, so I can't give you any track/plugin counts, but it has plenty of grunt. I also use Cinema 4D and Maya and it renders quick too.

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Re: (yet again) Best Pc processor/motheboard ? new [Re: lundicus]
      #8620 - 08/09/04 01:03 PM
The above mentioned Asus P4C800 (Intel 875P) is a good board as is the 865PE version. Also look at Abit 865PE + 875P mobos and Intel Pentium 4 800 FSB CPU's preferably Northwood 'C' as opposed to the Prescott. These are easily identified by the L2 Cache, Northwood has 512Kb and Prescott has 1Mb .

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Re: (yet again) Best Pc processor/motheboard ? new [Re: UNIT393]
      #8665 - 08/09/04 01:26 PM
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Intel Pentium 4 800 FSB CPU's preferably Northwood 'C' as opposed to the Prescott. These are easily identified by the L2 Cache, Northwood has 512Kb and Prescott has 1Mb


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I don´t get your point UNIT393. If the Prescott has 1MB Cache, why should I go for the Nortwood processor?
(this is so obvious that i must be missing something )


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Re: (yet again) Best Pc processor/motheboard ? new [Re: ::Bruno::]
      #8699 - 08/09/04 01:42 PM
The Prescott core P4 runs quite hotter than the Northwood core P4's. There is a slight performance edge to the Northwood core chips as well, although benchmarks would probably be the only way to tell this anyway.

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Re: (yet again) Best Pc processor/motheboard ? new [Re: ::Bruno::]
      #8711 - 08/09/04 01:55 PM
The Prescott runs awful hot and according to benchmarks actually currently runs slower mHz for mHz than the older Northwoods. You'll have difficulty getting a quiet system if you use Precott core P4s.

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Re: (yet again) Best Pc processor/motheboard ? new [Re: Jez (mahoobley)]
      #9137 - 08/09/04 06:22 PM
So would you find the PIV 3.2 Ghz Fs8 800 Mhz (Northwood)
the best choice.They´re both at the same price.
I would prefer the 3,4 Ghz version but it isn´t available here.
Just to get things straight: would you find the Athlon 64 300+ a better bet than the PIV?
I am sorry if i seem confused, but it can be

The thing that I would like to have acess is some Cubase Benchmarks tests with the new Athlon 64 and this two Pentium processors.The last one didn´t include this two processors and it´s offline by the way.

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Re: (yet again) Best Pc processor/motheboard ? new [Re: ::Bruno::]
      #9144 - 08/09/04 06:37 PM
Just to make matters worse:

don´t forget that with a motherboard for the Prescot processor series you could upgrade it with the newer versions of this processor, while the Northwood has seen the last of it´s days.

Thanks for all your help, cause this are troubled times to buy a processor with everyone waitting to see what´s comming out next(processor,and OS wise)...


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Re: (yet again) Best Pc processor/motheboard ? new [Re: ::Bruno::]
      #9396 - 09/09/04 01:48 AM
I am hopping to buy this processor/motherboard Monday, next week, so any new answers would be extremely welcome


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Re: (yet again) Best Pc processor/motheboard ? new [Re: ::Bruno::]
      #9403 - 09/09/04 03:44 AM
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Motherboard - P4C800/DELUXE , Mainboard (800MHz Intel Canterwood MCH) ATX, Socket 478 DDR/audio/4 USB2.0/RAIDsata/Glan/1394

http://www.intel.com/products/browse/motherbd.htm?iid=HPAGE+header_product s_motherboards&
http://indigo.intel.com/mbsg/?iid=ipp_browse+motherbd_mbsg&

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Since there´s no 64 Windows OS (Longhorn) coming out at least for now (wich I believe to be due to the lack of 64 bit processors from Intel).




The preview works beautifully... If you want to edit video... it warrants consideration.

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Re: (yet again) Best Pc processor/motheboard ? new [Re: ::Bruno::]
      #9735 - 09/09/04 02:07 PM
Bruno - what kind of thing are you planning on doing with the new machine? If we are talking lots of soft synths/plugins on a traditional sequencer I would reccommend an AMD system, as all the relevant benchmarks (sonartest, five towers) and my own experiences suggest you get much better plugin performance with AMD than Intel.

http://www.moar.net/cubasetest/results.php?order=performance

http://www.cakewalk.com/forum/tm.asp?m=34827&mpage=1&key= (scroll down to the chart)

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Re: (yet again) Best Pc processor/motheboard ? new [Re: Jez (mahoobley)]
      #9809 - 09/09/04 03:24 PM
Is that like a Sears plugin or a real plugin?

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Re: (yet again) Best Pc processor/motheboard ? new [Re: Jez (mahoobley)]
      #9854 - 09/09/04 03:59 PM
i will be using the DDX wich youl take some strain of the CPU in terms of dynamics anda some effects. Soft synths, though, is a must...

I searched for what you said about the Prescot, os PresHot as some call it, and it´s all true. it´s not worth at this stage, and the motheboard i´m buying will accept future revisions of the Prescot(unless Intel changes the chipset).

So it comes down to the Nortwood 3.2 ghz, or the Amd 64 34000+.
I will decide over the weekend.

Thank you for all your help. I hope i can do the same for you in the near future.


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Re: (yet again) Best Pc processor/motheboard ? new [Re: Rick Taylor]
      #9869 - 09/09/04 04:19 PM
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Is that like a Sears plugin or a real plugin?




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Re: (yet again) Best Pc processor/motheboard ? new [Re: ::Bruno::]
      #10197 - 10/09/04 05:19 AM
Quote:

Just to make matters worse:

don´t forget that with a motherboard for the Prescot processor series you could upgrade it with the newer versions of this processor, while the Northwood has seen the last of it´s days.





This is only the case if you're planning on going for the new LGA775 platform, in which case you have no choice as these CPU's are all Prescott core. 3.4GHz Northwood and Prescott are the last for the Socket 478 platform.

So if you want to be able to upgrade CPU's later on without doing a mobo upgrade too then you'll have to go with the new LGA775 platform (The ASUS P4C800 motherboard you refer to in your original post is a Socket 478 board with the 875P chipset).


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Re: (yet again) Best Pc processor/motheboard ? new [Re: UNIT393]
      #10408 - 10/09/04 12:19 PM
Hi, is this LGA775 platform any good? other than you need it for higher processor speed's and i'm, trying to find a mobo for it but getting no joy searching [LGA775] please help thank's.


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Re: (yet again) Best Pc processor/motheboard ? new [Re: james]
      #10429 - 10/09/04 12:42 PM
You were desperate to see this again, no?

http://indigo.intel.com/mbsg/default.aspx?reset=true

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Re: (yet again) Best Pc processor/motheboard ? new [Re: james]
      #10435 - 10/09/04 12:47 PM
If you check out Motherboard manufacturers websites you should see them. For example at Abit look for the AA8, AG8 and AS8 mobos. ASUS , Gigabyte , MSI and obviously Intel all make these boards. They'll have 915P, 925X and 865PE chipsets. Keep in mind that the 915P and 925X chipset boards both require PCI Xpress graphics and the 925X mobo requires the new 240pin DDR2 memory. The 865PE versions are exactly the same as their Socket 478 counterparts except for the socket. These new LGA775 CPU's are all Prescott and start at 2.8GHz and might be named 'Intel Pentium 4 '520'' '' and these go up to a 3.6GHz '560 model so far with a 3.8GHz version due some time soon.

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Re: (yet again) Best Pc processor/motheboard ? [Re: UNIT393]
      #10499 - 10/09/04 01:48 PM
i have a similar setup based around the P4C800/DELUXE and am very happy with it.

when i bought mine there were THREE versions.

i got the most expensive, there is only a few £ in it and although the boards are no different i got every cable possible. imagine all the sockets you have on the board, ide, sata, usb, etc. i have enough cables to be plugged into everything at once, i think that's a good deal.

about the processor, go for the northwood. the prescott may be harder to cool if you want to run a QUIET setup. if your pc is going to be in a machine room then it probably wont matter.

if you read that pc builder review in sos you'll see that most of them stick to intel/asus boards and cpus. there's a reason for that.

i have 1gb ram and the 2.8 northwood cpu in my board and without a huge amount of tweaking use it for:

recording 8 tracks at once (not really stressful, but very stable)

maybe 10-25 tracks playback with full processing (eq, compression on most tracks, 4-8 convolution reverbs and some other fun jobbies) cpu meter is around 50-75% few glitches (maybe 2 per 5min song) when cpu reads 100%-160% beacuse of too much processing, probably the reverb. disk stays between 3-20%.

oh and i normally record one track overdubs with all this playing back.

i would recommend this setup.


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Re: (yet again) Best Pc processor/motheboard ? new [Re: UNIT393]
      #10502 - 10/09/04 01:52 PM
thank's unit393

is hyper thread an issue? and is there any chance a 3.2 ghz processor for a 478 socket would have it?


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Re: (yet again) Best Pc processor/motheboard ? new [Re: james]
      #10940 - 11/09/04 02:52 AM
Quote:

thank's unit393

is hyper thread an issue? and is there any chance a 3.2 ghz processor for a 478 socket would have it?





No HT is not an issue, Cubase SX and Cakewalk Sonar can utilise this. All 800FSB (Northwood 'C' + prescott) Intel P4 CPU's have HT, so yes the 3.2G model does. HT can be disabled in the BIOS if there are any issues with it.



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Re: (yet again) Best Pc processor/motheboard ? new [Re: UNIT393]
      #10955 - 11/09/04 04:53 AM
I Bought MSI 875P Neo FISR (with the same 875 Chipset than Asus and Abit etc), My CPU its a 2.8Ghz 800 running at 3.2Ghz and no problem at all! Make sure you feed well your system, and a good power supply its a must (Enermax, B-Quiet, Antec) for this audio/video related computers... 22A @ 12v core at least if you wanna avoid crashes and it will make your computer lives longer. Also remember to set your RAM voltage to 2.7V. some Bios has it default on 2.6v but 2.7v its the correct voltage to make it work (not faster) but better...

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Re: (yet again) Best Pc processor/motheboard ? new [Re: Pedro Cruz]
      #11033 - 11/09/04 01:01 PM
i think i'm going to get the Motherboard - P4C800/DELUXE with the 3.2 ghz prescot couse i been offered the prescot for £75 and the abit mother board seem's very cheep and make the prescot get hot . anyone see anything very wrong with that cheer's everyone


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Re: (yet again) Best Pc processor/motheboard ? new [Re: james]
      #11062 - 11/09/04 02:59 PM
According to PC Notes in this months SOS, the new Intel chipsets are getting lower performance than the old ones:

PC Notes, SOS Latest Issue (subscribers only)

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The main fly in the ointment is that initial test results with the first 915/925 motherboards are disappointing. Their performance is equalled in many cases by an Intel 875 and P4 Northwood, and they're soundly trounced by AMD's new Athlon 64 3500+, 3700+, and 3800+ models. The 925X does out-perform the 915P by some one to three percent because of its DDR2 RAM, but this option is considerably more expensive considering the small increase in performance. A problem with the Grantsdale chipset also resulted in Intel recalling it just a week after its launch. Moreover, the Prescott core also runs much hotter than the Pentium 4 Northwood series, so for the time being, at least, if you want a quiet PC for audio work, a 915/925 model won't be suitable. As always, it pays to stay on the sidelines until the teething troubles are thrashed out. I suggest at least six months.




If I was going for a P4 system right now, I would stick with northwood and and a P4C800. Computers are changing so quickly at the moment with new types of RAM, PCI slots, replacements to AGP, that I don't see anyone who buys a system now would be able to stick with the same motherboard if they wanted to upgrade 12 months later.

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Re: (yet again) Best Pc processor/motheboard ? new [Re: UNIT393]
      #11066 - 11/09/04 03:08 PM
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Quote:

thank's unit393

is hyper thread an issue? and is there any chance a 3.2 ghz processor for a 478 socket would have it?





No HT is not an issue, Cubase SX and Cakewalk Sonar can utilise this. All 800FSB (Northwood 'C' + prescott) Intel P4 CPU's have HT, so yes the 3.2G model does. HT can be disabled in the BIOS if there are any issues with it.




Dude, don't mean to sound arsey but you've been in these arguments before. Although hyperthreading shouldn't be an issue, for a lot of people it is, and its meant they've had to turn it off. I don't know how many people are having these problems these days, but its something that should be considered.

http://sound-on-sound2.infopop.net/2/OpenTopic?a=tpc&s=215094572&f =351097254&m=439101512&r=439101512#439101512

http://sound-on-sound2.infopop.net/2/OpenTopic?a=tpc&s=215094572&f =4193088013&m=19810803&r=58910667#58910667

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Re: (yet again) Best Pc processor/motheboard ? new [Re: Jez (mahoobley)]
      #11264 - 12/09/04 02:02 AM
Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

thank's unit393

is hyper thread an issue? and is there any chance a 3.2 ghz processor for a 478 socket would have it?





No HT is not an issue, Cubase SX and Cakewalk Sonar can utilise this. All 800FSB (Northwood 'C' + prescott) Intel P4 CPU's have HT, so yes the 3.2G model does. HT can be disabled in the BIOS if there are any issues with it.




Dude, don't mean to sound arsey but you've been in these arguments before. Although hyperthreading shouldn't be an issue, for a lot of people it is, and its meant they've had to turn it off. I don't know how many people are having these problems these days, but its something that should be considered.

http://sound-on-sound2.infopop.net/2/OpenTopic?a=tpc&s=215094572&f=3510972 54&m=439101512&r=439101512#439101512

http://sound-on-sound2.infopop.net/2/OpenTopic?a=tpc&s=215094572&f=4193088 013&m=19810803&r=58910667#58910667




Mahoobley, don't mean to sound 'arsey' but I'm NOT actually having an arguement with anyone about HT. As I replied earlier there is no issue with HT as it can be disabled in the BIOS if one was to encounter any problems with it.
FWIW I now have HT enabled whilst using Pro Tools LE 6.4cs7 and there doesn't yet seem to be any problem with this even though PT cannot utilise HT.

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Re: (yet again) Best Pc processor/motheboard ? new [Re: UNIT393]
      #11498 - 12/09/04 05:58 PM
please help which of these asus boards i right the one with the 875P chipset or the 875PE chipset? i asume the 875P as it can take more memory ect,ect. cheer's


http://www.planetmicro.co.uk/product_info.asp?stockcode=M003267

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http://www.simply.co.uk/productinformation/49419/WW/ASUS_P4C800DELUXE_875P _5P_AGP_4DDR_AUDIO_FIREWIRE_LAN_SATARAID_ATARAID_WiFi_ATX/index.htm


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Re: (yet again) Best Pc processor/motheboard ? new [Re: james]
      #11825 - 13/09/04 10:45 AM
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please help which of these asus boards i right the one with the 875P chipset or the 875PE chipset? i asume the 875P as it can take more memory ect,ect. cheer's


http://www.planetmicro.co.uk/product_info.asp?stockcode=M003267

OR

http://www.simply.co.uk/productinformation/49419/WW/ASUS_P4C800DELUXE_875P _5P_AGP_4DDR_AUDIO_FIREWIRE_LAN_SATARAID_ATARAID_WiFi_ATX/index.htm




The ASUS P4P800 is an Intel 865PE chipset motherboard and takes up to 4Gb of memory.
The ASUS P4C800 is an Intel 875P chipset motherboard and again takes up to 4Gb of memory.

The difference between these boards is the 875P chipset allows for Intel PAT (Performance Acceleration Technology), whereas this feature was disabled by Intel for the 865PE version. This PAT is enabled on 865PE chipset boards by the manufacturers of the motherboard's. Abit for example call this GAT (Game Acceleration Technology) on their IS-7 series boards and have a menu in the BIOS that allows you to enable this. As I understand it, ASUS too have enabled this technology on the P4P800 series boards (Hyper Path).

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