kryzstof
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classical gtr live
#114160 - 12/04/05 04:42 PM
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Hi,
I am new to this forum, so many apologies if this is a frequent
question:
I need to mic and set up a couple of speakers for a classical guitar
recital.
It will be in a Hall seating about 200.
Can someone
reccomend the best speakers (powered) to use for this application?
I intend on
using a km184 and 414 for the gtr. he will not need a stage monitor- so no feedback
danger.
Thanks
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Re: classical gtr live
[Re: kryzstof]
#114172 - 12/04/05 04:54 PM
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For an instrument like this you don't want a lot of volume or silly amounts of bass,
probably just a bit of reinforcement for the acoustic instrument. I would say a pair of
Mackie powered speakers would do nicely. Alternatively unpowered the HK PR112 would do the
job.
Avoid anything with subs, if you do end up with subs make sure you low cut
the mics. Nothing worse than amplified guitar thump on a classical guitar.
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kryzstof
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Re: classical gtr live
[Re: Ultimate Fish]
#114373 - 13/04/05 01:51 AM
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Thanks Ultimate Fish...
Yeah, no subs here for sure...
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Re: classical gtr live
[Re: kryzstof]
#114397 - 13/04/05 07:50 AM
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The only thing to be wary of with the Mackies is an aggressive top end. Shouldn't be too
much of a problem with a classical guitar, but prepare to gently roll off the top end a
bit.
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Re: classical gtr live
[Re: kryzstof]
#114618 - 13/04/05 02:11 PM
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I posted a similar question in the guitar tech forum, but haven't had a great deal of
response there - my particular issue is with mics in a small venue and the dreaded
feedback so easily acheived with classical guitar. The only mics I have
available to me are sm57-esque dynamics, a cheap clip-on which has gives me feedback if I
put it anywhere near my guitar, and a rifle mic used for location recording which despite
its directionality still gave me feedback problems. Any tips?
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Hire some mics. Seriously, contact your local PA company and see what they'd charge to get
something more suitable. Alternatively there are plenty of cheap mics around that would be
better for the application. Choosing them can be tricky though (see my c1000vs nt5 for how
not to do it).
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kryzstof
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Hi Mahoobley: Are you using a stage monitor? Are you positioned behind the speakers? Just
wondering how come you had such feedback
issues with a dynamic mic...
In
my case it is a solo classical guitarist...
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Re: classical gtr live
[Re: kryzstof]
#114729 - 13/04/05 05:38 PM
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I haven't tried with the dynamic mic, but I'd expect to get a lousy signal. I'd be
happy to be proved wrong, though.
If I'm playing at either of the venues I
looked at before, I will likely in fact be positioned in front of monitors placed
above us on the wall behind us. These speakers are basically a bar music PA rather than a
proper 'live music' PA.
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Re: classical gtr live
[Re: kryzstof]
#114901 - 13/04/05 11:47 PM
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Hoobs, actually a 57 will work for a nylon-stung guitar. I'd give it a go, or see if you
can borrow a C 1000. My old fave is an AKG 451, or now, a modded SE 1A. kryzstof, I would use only one mic. G
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Re: classical gtr live
[Re: kryzstof]
#114914 - 14/04/05 12:15 AM
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As Guy has pointed out, an SM57 will work, but as you guessed, the signal level
will be dire with a classical. I'd see what can be hired for the event. Make
sure you devote extra time to making sure the classical guitar is properly mic'ed,
mic/player positioned optimally for rejecting monitor or even FOH spill, and getting
creative with the EQ. Straight away look for any frequency areas that can be stripped out
- half the battle is increasing the intelligibility of the instrument; absolute volume can
play 2nd fiddle once it sounds good! I engineer for a lot of 'twee' indie bands
in Glasgow. Invariably, someone will always have a nylon strung guitar/fiddle/squeezy toy
or something else infinitely quiet that requires mic'ing... in the middle of an indie rock
band, on a small stage.  Mike
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Quote Michael Harrison:
Invariably, someone will always have a nylon strung guitar/fiddle/squeezy toy or something
else infinitely quiet that requires mic'ing... in the middle of an indie rock band, on a
small stage.
Mike
Yeah! WHY????????
These daft ha'peths shoud be made to engineer for
themselves!
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Re: classical gtr live
[Re: Guy Johnson]
#115354 - 14/04/05 09:02 PM
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Quote:
Yeah! WHY????????
'Cause it's twee, and indie, and
cool, innit?! It also feeds back - yeah!!
Not kidding about the squeaky toy. I
had to mic up a Clanger - remember the TV programme? OOOOoooooOOOooo... - onstage
once. Played by the drummer (whilst drumming) no less.
I forgave him as he's
also a bloody good drummer. 
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Re: classical gtr live
[Re: Guy Johnson]
#115709 - 15/04/05 04:15 PM
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Guy: The reason for using 2 mics is because he does a lot of mouth noises and gentle
scratching and blowing on the strings. This is a contemporary guitar performance which is
why it requires a second mic along the fret board to pick up the mouth and nail scratching
etc...
So2 mics:
414 on body
km184 for neck and mouth
Thanks for the feedback
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Re: classical gtr live
[Re: kryzstof]
#115743 - 15/04/05 06:13 PM
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Sounds like he should be using a white right-handed CBS Strat turned over and played
left-handed, with the occasional squirt of lighter fuel added for good measure!
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Re: classical gtr live
[Re: kryzstof]
#115934 - 16/04/05 08:25 AM
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Quote kryzstof:
Guy: The reason
for using 2 mics is because he does a lot of mouth noises and gentle scratching and
blowing on the strings. This is a contemporary guitar performance which is why it requires
a second mic along the fret board to pick up the mouth and nail scratching etc...
So2 mics:
414 on body
km184 for neck and mouth
Thanks for the
feedback
Sounds like a fun
project!
Anyone here heard Eric Roche? Awesome, whacky and musical.
G
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