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Advances/Deal points: When do you stick your hand out?
      #163569 - 04/08/05 09:44 AM
Hi folks

Here's an interesting one. Lets assume you're a producer.
You've put a beat (instrumental) to a label and they want one of their artists to write a record to it with a view to release.

The label gets all worked up, and before you know it the artist is in your studio recording some vocals (which they've written). All good so far.

Next, the label A&R rings you to tell you they love the track, and could you "just tidy up some of the vocals and send the mix over"

You do so, and the record co. wants to release.

Hang on. You've just done work for free, and included some of your own material. The label pushes its "marketing machine" into action and the artitst is promo-ing all over the place. You have material/work out there. You havn't been paid, and if the record is a success, there's no written agreement to say how you will be paid in royalties etc.

Lets go back in time..

At what point would you try to get an agreement in writing with the label for points etc? Before the vocalist comes round? Before you supply the multitracks?

As for advances, even very small ones, at what point do you think its acceptable to put your hand out (if ever)

I only ask these questions as its happened to me a fair few times now. I'm thinking I'm doing something wrong..or am I? Do we have to prostitute ourselves this much nowadays?

Someone help me make some money!

(I havn't even approached the question of joint copyright with the artist - thats another day, another thread..)


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Re: Advances/Deal points: When do you stick your hand out? new [Re: alfraser]
      #163638 - 04/08/05 12:15 PM
I would...

1. Get an agreement in principle (emails) before/during the job. If the terms look OK you can stick your neck out (but obviously not repeatedly for a label that takes the p*ss).

2. Get it formally before you send them the finished work (whenever that is... any time it looks like they're getting the goods, don't send them before the agreement is firm, unless it's people you know you can give some leeway).

3. If you've done something that's got away (and is earning without you on board) go back to the label. They're not all ugly.

And make sure you're named as a performing producer in the label paperwork if you think you should be getting PPL.

I hasten to add I don't do anything like this... so that's just what I'd do if I did. And this is assuming we're at the semi-pro end of things.

I don't know about advances for this kind of thing but I'd guess you won't see any until you're in demand.

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Re: Advances/Deal points: When do you stick your hand out? new [Re: alfraser]
      #163654 - 04/08/05 12:52 PM
Cheers Rob.

I like the bit about terms upfront via email. Good way to sort the sharks and timewasters from the real players.

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