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#179142 - 08/09/05 08:18 AM
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I've been trying to find some good yngwie stuff, but i'm finding it a bit hit and miss. I
like the tracks far beyond the sun and arpeggios from hell, but then there are tunes like
i am a viking which i think are awful. Can anyone help me here? What stuff of his should i
be looking out for? I can tell he probably has some music that i would like a lot, but i
just have to whittle it down a bit.
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#179236 - 08/09/05 11:13 AM
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Get the first album, basically all the instrumentals are ok and don't touch 90% of tracks
if they have a vocal. I liked the first 3 albums then gave up after Odyssey
since that was poor enough. I did meet him though after a gig at the Dominion
in London on the Odyssey tour. Rollasoc
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#179283 - 08/09/05 12:47 PM
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Yngwie released a CD in 2002 called "Attack" that was just great. Of the 14 or so tracks
at least 5 or 6 were excellent. He is kinda stuck in a timewarp in that you feel you're
listening to an 80's project but the playing is undeniably awesome. Pick it up and I'm
sure you will like it. It was in my car's CD Player for at least a month. Cheers!
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#179445 - 08/09/05 05:20 PM
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Well you have come to the right place as I am an Yngwie fan since the mid 80's. First I
will highlight a few albums and then I will include a quick list of recommended tracks. My personal recommendations would be the first album, Marching Out, Trial By Fire,
Odyssey, Fire And Ice. These are the ones with the best playing and compositions, although
I really enjoy The Seventh Sign for the production, songs and vibe. Magnum Opus was a
little more experimental and perhaps more contrived but there were some interesting songs
on it. Eclipse was his most commercial sounding album and Yngwie has often said how
disappointed and angry he was with the production/mastering quality. There are some
cracking songs on there though, with powerful catchy riffs, fluent and melodic solos
etc. From the mid 90's onwards I feel he ran out of ideas and seemed to settle
for sub standard compositions and production. Only the real die hard fans like myself were
able to hear between the lines, and enjoy what little good stuff was on those albums. He
did a true classical recording was a philharmonic orchestra which was very enjoyable and a
breath of fresh air. More recently he did an album called Attack!! which had heavy
crunching riffs and blistering solos, plus he returned to a few familiar themes from his
early years. The current album is disappointing, so my fingers are crossed for a better
one next time. Recommended tracks to check out! (1)
Black Star (classic often imitated, never bettered) (2) Far Beyond The Sun (my
favourite track) (3) Evil Eye (4) Icarus Dream Suite Op.4 (superb) (5)
As Above, So Below (good chord progressions and solos) (6) I'll See The Light
Tonight (classic riff and superb solo with masterful phrasing and pedal point
sequences) (7) Disciples Of Hell (superb acoustic intro, amazing solo) (8)
Anguish And Fear (tricky riff & blistering solo!) (9) Soldier Without Faith
(atmospheric chord structures and a solo with lots of ideas and variation) (10) You
Don't Remember, I'll Never Forget (memorable chorus, excellent solo with nice melodies) (11) Liar (fast tempo rocker with cool fragmented arpeggio sequences) (12) Fire
(solo is the highlight, very ferocious and full of tonal variations and
ideas/techniques) (13) Trilogy Suite Op.5 (some would argue his best track, full of
masterclass techniques and classical sequences) (14) Rising Force (memorable riff,
high velocity solos and a fast picked ending that makes your jaw drop!) (15) Bite The
Bullet (menacing classical riffs and solos) (16) Riot In The Dungeons (similar to the
previous, a continuation really with vocals and more) (17) Deja Vu (time signature
changes, clever riffs, energetic solos) (18) Bedroom Eyes (bluesy riff and solos) (19) Save Our Love (big production, packed with orchestrated guitar parts and a superb
melodic solo with phrasing to die for) (20) Motherless Child (infectious high tempo
riff and solo arpeggio sequences and main solos) (21) Judas (very catchy all the way
through, with some nice playing too) (22) Perpetual (sorta Black Star II) (23)
Hmmm...most of the tracks from Fire And Ice are worth listening to, so I won't list them
all! (24) Never Die (brilliant song to drive to! Packed with energy, chunky riffs,
superb arppegio sequences and a rippling solo) (25) Brothers (emotive and melodic
instrumental, quite beautiful and powerful) (26) Seventh Sign (heavy riff, again with
classical arppegio sequences and hellraising solos) This list could go on
a lot more but there should be plenty here to get your juices flowing. Pretty
inspirational stuff and class leading at the time, and probably not really equalled for
tone and passion since by others. A lot of other guitarists have been and gone, who
concentrated too much on picking every note too accurately and hence were very boring.
Malmsteen is a tremendous picker and he can chop your head off with some firey, toneful
playing! NCGM
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thanks for all these recommendations. keep them coming!
NCGM - since you seem
quite eager to talk about yngwie, i would be interested to see what you have to say about
the influence yngwie had on metal in general. Was a lot of the music in the eighties
inspired by him? I was young in the eighties, so i don't really have any idea how he fits
into things.
Although i was young then, i am interested in quite a few
guitarists from that period, as well as a few guitarists who play in an arguably similar
style nowadays. (people like megadeth guitarists marty freedman and chris poland, jeff
loomis, john petrucci, etc.)
One of the weirdest things about yngwie is that
he's always hyped up as being super technical, as if that's all he had to offer. If that's
what people's perceptions of him genuinely are, then he is rather misunderstood, imho. It
seems obvious to me that there is a style of music he really enjoys playing and so that's
what he does - if all he wanted to do was pick super fast etc, his music wouldn't sound
like it does.
I would even say that some al di meola stuff really seems of a
much more technical nature to me, although i'm no expert on this. I think to truly
understand that aspect, you have to be able to play it - I can't! Anyway, people never
seem to go on about al di meola the same way.
One of the things i really like
about yngwie is his strat guitar tones. I think that distorted humbucker lead tones are
pretty boring compared with the squeals and honks you get out of a strat. Just my opinion
of course. And his playing always sounds...believable. I don't know how to explain that,
but it's just that when you listen to it, it's always easy to visualise a person playing
it on a guitar. Maybe it's to do with that thing you said about how he doesn't concentrate
on picking precision too much...i just think that in supposedly high energy music, that
sort of rawness adds a lot to the overall sound. Good technique is fine, but if you want
your solo to blow people's heads off, it maybe shouldn't sound easy.
Anyway, isn't the internet great? To me, finding people to talk to about yngwie is like
finding a support group for an embarassing ailment!
Cheers
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Re: yngwie malmsteen recommendations...
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#179505 - 08/09/05 07:20 PM
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Quote Hasbro:
NCGM - since
you seem quite eager to talk about yngwie, i would be interested to see what you have to
say about the influence yngwie had on metal in general. Was a lot of the music in the
eighties inspired by him? I was young in the eighties, so i don't really have any idea how
he fits into things.
Although I was young then, I am interested in quite a few
guitarists from that period, as well as a few guitarists who play in an arguably similar
style nowadays. (people like megadeth guitarists marty freedman and chris poland, jeff
loomis, john petrucci, etc.)
I would say that Yngwie was a huge influence on guitarists but not particularly other
musicians or metal musicians because the metal fraternity didn't consider him to be heavy
enough, i.e. a bit too musical, classical and big for his boots. Some of the players who
liked Richie Blackmore and Randy Rhoads, then heard Yngwie and moved towards what he was
doing. Other guitarists upto that point had only dabbled at Classical influenced rock and
metal, but Yngwie just blew them all away with his execution and full understanding of
what was required etc. In short he just moved the bar to a much higher level!
The guitarists you mention were more into either Jazz (Chris Poland) or exotic Eastern
stuff (Marty Freedman). Now if you want to hear both styles in one, check out Jason
Becker because he could play like someone possessed! He played classical and exotic
Eastern stuff in a way that others could only dream of. Unfortunately he developed a
crippling illness at the peak of his powers, but even then he still managed to release
another album that was amazing. Check out his albums Perpetual Burn and Perspective, plus
the two albums he did while in the band Cacophony.
Other genre leading
guitarists from the 80's with recommended albums in brackets include Vinnie Moore (Time
Odyssey), Tony Macalpine (Maximum Security), Joey Tafolla (Out Of The Sun), Paul Gilbert
(various appearances on other peoples albums, plus his band Racer X) and a few more.
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One of the
weirdest things about yngwie is that he's always hyped up as being super technical, as if
that's all he had to offer. If that's what people's perceptions of him genuinely are, then
he is rather misunderstood, imho. It seems obvious to me that there is a style of music he
really enjoys playing and so that's what he does - if all he wanted to do was pick super
fast etc, his music wouldn't sound like it does.
I would even say that some al
di meola stuff really seems of a much more technical nature to me, although i'm no expert
on this. I think to truly understand that aspect, you have to be able to play it - I
can't! Anyway, people never seem to go on about al di meola the same way.
Yep fast picked passages of music is
not what Yngwie is all about. It's his style that forms the basis for what he does, and
the technical aspects merely help him achieve this. Many people overlook how melodic he
can be or how brilliant his phrasing is sometimes.
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One of the things i really like about yngwie is
his strat guitar tones. I think that distorted humbucker lead tones are pretty boring
compared with the squeals and honks you get out of a strat. Just my opinion of course. And
his playing always sounds...believable. I don't know how to explain that, but it's just
that when you listen to it, it's always easy to visualise a person playing it on a guitar.
Maybe it's to do with that thing you said about how he doesn't concentrate on picking
precision too much...i just think that in supposedly high energy music, that sort of
rawness adds a lot to the overall sound. Good technique is fine, but if you want your solo
to blow people's heads off, it maybe shouldn't sound easy.
Yeah he wires his pickups in a unorthadox
way to achieve his distinctive sound. He also uses vintage MkII Marshall amp heads and I
myself once owned one and they sound superb, i.e. fat and warm with a slightly dark tone.
A lot of guitarists thesedays go for a rather dry tone, which I find dull and boring. I
like to hear real valves being driven hard and making those lovely squelchy fat tones,
harmonically rich with a lot of "audio textured taste"!
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Anyway, isn't the
internet great? To me, finding people to talk to about yngwie is like finding a support
group for an embarassing ailment!
I'm not sure how many other Yngwie or Neo-Classical fans there are on these
forums, but you've found at least one in me! By the way, check out a few more bands in the
Neo-Classical style like Symphony X, Adagio. There are a few good ones out there, although
as always in any genre there are plenty of shameless clones with no ideas of their own.
NCGM
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Quote Neo-Classical Guitar Man:
I'm not sure how many other Yngwie or Neo-Classical fans there are on these forums, NCGM
Cough Cough.....
you know damn well I've been known to do the Odd Yngwie cover in the past 
or has you memory finally succumbed to your dotage 
indeed, My Wife, bless her cotton socks, is still very much an Yngwie Fan.....
me, Well i LOVE his playing, always have... but I got a bit tired of the same
harmonic minor, and phrygian scalar solos... although he has always been able to pull off
amazing technique, it sometimes runs away with him... BUT when he's on form his phrasing
and touch is amazing...
it's a shame he's an arrogant arse..
I've
met him on several occasions... and he's never yet shown any signs of maturing beyond the
prima donna stage of "stardom"
unlike guys like Gary Moore.., and Satch....
both of whom are fantastic players , AND good blokes....
(Bastards..... don't
you just hate it when they're not just really talented, but nice too ????? )
To add to the list NCGM's of players you might want to further the education
with....
Alex Skolnic. (Testament)
Criss Oliva (dead, but look up
the band he founded, Savatage)
Al Pitrelli
(yes I know they've all
been in Savatage.... it's coincidence... honest)
Frank Gambale.
Zakk Wylde could do some awesome things toa guitar... Ozzy spoilt him IMHO... his
country metal things were scary...
George Lynch.... OUCH!
Reb
Beach... under rated...
Richie Kotzen
George Bellas
Joe Stump
Prior to the Solo thing, Yngwie played in a band called
Alcatraz.... Mike Varney didn't, contrary to popular belief, just magic him up from the
depths of Scandanavia When Yngwie left Alcatraz to pursue the solo thing.... guess
who replaced him....
yep,
that nice young Stevie Vai ........ who has been quoted of saying something along the
lines of
"when I got the gig after Yngwie left, I really had to up my game to
match his technical standards... "
and that it was this process that was at
least pertly responsible for his "green meanie" the virtually self built, rebuilt, hacked
about charvel, that was the ancestral precursor to the JEM.
My own take on the
Yngwie signature model is that Scalloped frets are for wimps 
Max
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#179563 - 08/09/05 09:22 PM
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Quote:
My own take on the
Yngwie signature model is that Scalloped frets are for wimps
oh i didn't know that the frets were
scalloped aswell!! doesn't that bollox the intonation?? 
i've read that scalloped boards are difficult to play, gotta have a really light touch
haven't ya??
cheers
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The work Yngwie did on the Alcatrazz albums was miles ahead of its time. I remember
locking myself in my room for days trying to learn his riffs off my vinyl copy of "No
Parole From Rock n Roll". I finally was able to play the solo from Hiroshima Mon Amour and
I was on top of the world  You know gents...we are aging ourselves now
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#179603 - 08/09/05 11:20 PM
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Enters from Stage above leaning from a helicopter speaking through a loud hailer foot on
the running bar one hand gripping the roll bar..
Step away from the CD
player and sit down...Do not go near the remote control until the dangerous contamination
has been removed. This the CAGPA and we are here to save you from the insiduous threat of
terminally pointless noodling, crap stage clothes bar hair and overtly pompous empty
headed poodle rock...
Launches a "Shiteseeking" missile at the CD
drawer and neatly takes it out...
Thankyou for you co-operation but
kindly be aware any futher offenses against the "Pompous Twat Act" could result the
impounding of any musical repoduction equipment.
Disappears over the
horizon the sound of NWO filling the air
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#179607 - 08/09/05 11:29 PM
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yngwie who? Andy
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#179627 - 09/09/05 12:25 AM
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...Yngwie F**king Malmsteen that's who!  NCGM - a reference to a piece of merchandise that I never got around to buying
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Quote Max The Mac:
Cough
Cough.....
you know damn well I've been known to do the Odd Yngwie cover in
the past 
or has you memory finally succumbed to your dotage 
Max
Yep even Yngwie
can't play the solo to Rising Force with his toes like you can Max! 
Err...memory?....Dotage?.......Hey 34yrs old is still young enough to widdle like a good
'un! I'm very rusty though and have not played on a regular basis since the mid to late
1990's, so a bit of head down and practice hard is on the cards...
NCGM
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Re: yngwie malmsteen recommendations...
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#179637 - 09/09/05 12:48 AM
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Quote Stevedog:
Enters from Stage
above leaning from a helicopter speaking through a loud hailer foot on the running bar one
hand gripping the roll bar..
Step away from the CD player and sit
down...Do not go near the remote control until the dangerous contamination has been
removed. This the CAGPA and we are here to save you from the insiduous threat of
terminally pointless noodling, crap stage clothes bar hair and overtly pompous empty
headed poodle rock...
Launches a "Shiteseeking" missile at the CD drawer
and neatly takes it out...
Thankyou for you co-operation but kindly be
aware any futher offenses against the "Pompous Twat Act" could result the impounding of
any musical repoduction equipment.
Disappears over the horizon the sound
of NWO filling the air
There's nothing like the taste of industrial strength Listerine for removing that nasty
80's taste from your mouth. In the morning.
I bet the fella could do a
'wailing' Ride of the Valkyries as the chopper swoops overhead. The horror - Circle back
and nail 'im, Dawg!
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#179668 - 09/09/05 07:21 AM
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Quote Stevedog:
Enters from Stage
above leaning from a helicopter speaking through a loud hailer foot on the running bar one
hand gripping the roll bar..
Step away from the CD player and sit
down...Do not go near the remote control until the dangerous contamination has been
removed. This the CAGPA and we are here to save you from the insiduous threat of
terminally pointless noodling, crap stage clothes bar hair and overtly pompous empty
headed poodle rock...
Launches a "Shiteseeking" missile at the CD drawer
and neatly takes it out...
Thankyou for you co-operation but kindly be
aware any futher offenses against the "Pompous Twat Act" could result the impounding of
any musical repoduction equipment.
Disappears over the horizon the sound
of NWO filling the air
LMFAO
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#179681 - 09/09/05 07:53 AM
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Quote zenguitar:
yngwie who?
You wanna watch what you're
saying or he'll unleash the fury on you! See you in Tokyo, bitch!
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Thanks for all those max. Are these guys you have listened to a lot or are you more just
aware of them? I've actually heard a few of these guys, but it can be pretty hard to get a
hold of this sort of stuff.
I've heard some frank gambale stuff on his website.
I got quite interested in him after i read something he said in an interview. It was a
comment to the effect that he spent a long time playing the keyboard instead of the guitar
for a while, because he finds that lots of guiatrists all sound the same. I'm really fed
up of what i think of as 'bluesy' lead as well, and he seemed to be hitting out against
that. The stuff of his i heard really reminded me of al di meola, of whom i am a big
fan.
I've also heard ritchie kotzen. I'm a big fusion fan and he played/plays
in a band called vertu, with fusion legends Stanley Clarke and Lenny White.
Now...how about Joe Satriani and Steve Vai? I've heard a little of their stuff, and
found it thoroughly disappointing. I just thought that it was stylistically very familiar,
and it didn't even seem to push and technical boundaries. I think Slash delivers a far
more exciting solo than these guys. Anyone care to put that right? What is considered to
be these guys at their best?
Cheers Hasbro
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Vai and Satch are VERY different players from Yngwie . IMHO Vai is over
rated.... although I'm going to see him in October... Satriani on the other
hand is almost god like.... neither of them would be considered as
neoclassical players... although they both have the ability to be ...... Satriani is IMHO one of the Best all round players ever to pick up a six string... he has ALL the chops.... Blues, Jazz, fusion,. classical, and they are all
components of his style, which is, very definitely HIS style... and his expressive touch
is just the most awesomely delicate, controlled and yet incredibly emotive thing.... yet
he can trowel it on with the best of em.... I'm particularly fond of the
"Flying in a Blue Dream" Album, and indeed the title track.... and likewise some of
"Crystal Planet" it's ALL talented playing, but IMHO those two albums have the
most expressively accessible tracks on them..... "Flying In a blue dream" 's
intro use of harmonic sustain is an absolute classic.... never bettered by anything I've
ever heard.... Neoclassical Vai.... Hmmm go and look up a Film Called
"Crossroads" starring that irritating teen actor (was it Ralph maggio?) from "The Karate
Kid" Steve Vai appears in the guitar duel at the end... it became a Guitar
fret wanking standard called "Eugene's trick bag" ..... most of the rest of
the film's guitar work is Ry Cooder.....  I have listened to all the people I listed previously, even covered some of their tracks
at one time or another... and a lot of their stuff can still be found.... Amazon is dead
good at that sort of thing  I don't play much any more, it's too frustrating... these days I'm woefully
out of condition and too slow to try much of it.... It's probably worth
remembering that Satriani made living as a guitar teacher,in between earlier albums and so
on.... and his pupils included Steve Vai, Kirk Hammet (Metallica) , Larry Lalonde
(Primus) Counting Crows' Dave Bryson, , the jazz player Charlie Hunter and a load of other
"name" players... in many different styles.... you don't get that
kind of student roster unless you're VERY VERY VERY good indeed..... Max
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Quote Hasbro:
I've actually heard
a few of these guys, but it can be pretty hard to get a hold of this sort of stuff.
Try this long running website
run by people who know what they are talking about and hold music in high regard:
http://www.destinyrecords.uk.com/
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I've heard some Frank Gambale stuff on his
website. I got quite interested in him after I read something he said in an interview. It
was a comment to the effect that he spent a long time playing the keyboard instead of the
guitar for a while, because he finds that lots of guiatrists all sound the same.
I really love Gambales albums The
Great Explorers and Thunder From Down Under. Passages is quite enjoyable too, plus check
out his stuff with Chick Corea if you like full on Jazz.
Interesting to hear
about the keyboard approach because when I started out, I wanted to play my keyboard
written/improvised solos and melodies on the guitar. My solos were miles away from the
usual guitarists approach, although I later moved towards the latter style.
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#180150 - 09/09/05 11:32 PM
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Quote yorkio:
Quote zenguitar:
yngwie who?
You wanna watch what you're
saying or he'll unleash the fury on you! See you in Tokyo, bitch!
Damn!! I MUST be getting old, I can't be
bothered to bite 
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I've been a fan of Yngwie's for over 20 years but alas it's been a very long time since
he's released a decent album - I own 17 at the last count BTW.
Concern yourself
with only four - YJM's Rising Force (1984), YJM's Rising Force Marching Out (1985),
Trilogy (1986) and Odyssey (1988).
Odyssey is a much maligned album for reasons
that escape me, there's some very nice playing on there and some very commercial tunes
which is perhaps why you're not supposed to like it. It also has Joe Lynn Turner singing
on it who was the best vocalist he worked with IMHO.
Incidentally, check out
track three off the 1990 album Elipse, which on the whole is a bit cack, the guitar solo
on 'Save Our Love' is one of his best in terms of a song solo as opposed to a strictly
instrumental solo - the melody is just lovely.
Despite his unquestionable
talent, it's when you see him with Satriani and Vai (G3 in Denver DVD anyone) that you
realise he is a bit of a one trick pony, something I thought I'd never say. Vai and
Satriani's command of so many different techniques is simply breathtaking.
...and talking of those two it's Satriani all the way for me - Vai is amazing and
probably would nudge it on the technique front but it's Satriani's use of melody (d'you
remember that, it was very popular once) that is delightful. Listen to 'Thinking of You'
off the Time Machine double album and tell me it doesn't make the hairs on the back of
your neck stand up - he thinks lyrically, like how a singer would.
Finally, one
other track you MUST check out is 'Where Were You' by Jeff Beck - this is some of the
finest guitar work I have ever heard and Brian May once said something similar - Beck
actually makes the guitar sound like someone singing, it's simply stunning.
Whatever you listen to, enjoy.
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#180407 - 10/09/05 09:17 PM
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Quote Lala:
Concern
yourself with only four - YJM's Rising Force (1984), YJM's Rising Force Marching Out
(1985), Trilogy (1986) and Odyssey (1988).
I think Fire And Ice is one of his very best. He returned to
something more like his first album in soloing style, more raw and direct with nice
phrasing and definitely more emotional delivery, plus the songs were more varied and
adventurous. The other album worth a mention is The Seventh Sign which I think has a real
feel good factor. The playing has more joy and passion with plenty of strong melodies.
Also the commercial element doesn't take over completely which is very welcome.
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Odyssey is a much
maligned album for reasons that escape me, there's some very nice playing on there and
some very commercial tunes which is perhaps why you're not supposed to like it. It also
has Joe Lynn Turner singing on it who was the best vocalist he worked with IMHO.
I agree it is a fine album but I
think the criticism comes from the strong AOR style, probably the fault of Mr Turner. He
is an excellent vocalist but both his studio and stage delivery are a little feminine for
metal tastes. The singer that most suited Malmsteens work would be either Jeff Scott Soto
or Mark Boals because their voices are more operatic, particularly Boals who can deliver
those high penetrating notes.
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Incidentally, check out track three off the 1990 album Elipse,
which on the whole is a bit cack, the guitar solo on 'Save Our Love' is one of his best in
terms of a song solo as opposed to a strictly instrumental solo - the melody is just
lovely.
Yeah a very
overlooked solo performance bursting with emotion, phrasing and melody which happens to
fit the song like a glove.
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Despite his unquestionable talent, it's when you see him with
Satriani and Vai (G3 in Denver DVD anyone) that you realise he is a bit of a one trick
pony, something I thought I'd never say. Vai and Satriani's command of so many different
techniques is simply breathtaking.
...and talking of those two it's Satriani
all the way for me - Vai is amazing and probably would nudge it on the technique front but
it's Satriani's use of melody (d'you remember that, it was very popular once) that is
delightful.
I agree to a
point in that Malmsteen tends to slip into a lazy shredding mode, going on auto pilot and
not stopping to think about what he is playing or how to be more sympathetic to the music.
This is a real shame because he DOES have a large palette of musical knowledge to draw
from but he chooses not to for some insane reason.
I cannot decide between
Satch and Vai but then why would I want to? Both can play with immense feeling and melody,
or with huge creativity and off the wall ideas.
NCGM
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Re: yngwie malmsteen recommendations...
[Re: Hasbro]
#180450 - 10/09/05 11:43 PM
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Can`t believe I missed an opportunity like this for so long!
My
recommendation? 1)Scallop his bloody fingers. 2)Set fire to his flares 3)Force him to listen to "I do like to be beside the seaside" for twenty four hours non
stop 4)Set fire to all his guitars 5)Poke him in the eyes with a blunt stick (or
a raspberry) 6)Give him a vasectomy (so at least there won`t be more than one) 7)Set fire to his collection of Troll Dolls (echtedes gut!) 8)Run all his amps over
with a Volvo V70 9)Shave all his hair off. It worked on Samson...... 10)Shave
all the frets off his guitars.
On second thoughts, 10) might make him widdle
even more.
(exits, ducking low-flying neo-classical guitar stand)
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Re: yngwie malmsteen recommendations...
[Re: IvanSC]
#181097 - 12/09/05 06:25 PM
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I had a couple of Yngwie albums back in the past and yeah he is a great guitarist but i
think it all gets a bit same sounding after a while. The only thing that improves is his
Sitar playing lol. I think the last Yngwue album I bought was "Fire and Ice" about 12
years ago.
To be honest Yngwie also pissed me off when he dissed Steve Morse in
one of the U.S Guitar Mags around the time Steve replace Satch in Deep Purple.
Pabs
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Re: yngwie malmsteen recommendations...
[Re: Pablo_Fanques]
#182112 - 14/09/05 07:42 PM
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Hi,
I too am a bit of a closest yngwie fan..
For me the 1st and 2nd
albums are the best. I really like the "Seventh sign" too and that has to be up there. It
was the first yngwie album I bought, when I heard a track of his on the friday rock show
on R1 back when it was released... It just totally blew my mind how amazing his guitar
playing was and also I really liked and still do his guitar sound.
I have
learned to ignore the words of the lyrics and just follow the melodys. I really think his
lyrics verge on the naff to so bad that they are emabarrasing to listen too. If you can do
that you might find that the 2nd album is ABSOLUTELY AMAZING!
Cheers
Steve
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Quote Max The Mac Alex Skolnic. (Testament)
Criss Oliva (dead, but look up the band he founded, Savatage)
Al
Pitrelli
(yes I know they've all been in Savatage.... it's coincidence...
honest)
Frank Gambale.
Zakk Wylde could do some awesome things toa
guitar... Ozzy spoilt him IMHO... his country metal things were scary...
George Lynch.... OUCH!
Reb Beach... under rated...
Richie
Kotzen
George Bellas
Joe Stump
I would like to ad Edward Van Halen to this
list. Still the most underated guitarist for what he acheived. Tapping made up three
percent of his playing. Many neo classical elements to many of his solos, I'm the one, Ice
Cream :
n etc.
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Re: yngwie malmsteen recommendations...
[Re: Plexi Head]
#187916 - 27/09/05 11:36 AM
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sorry i ASSUMED every one would automatically include "god" ( EVH )
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Quote Max The Mac:
sorry i
ASSUMED every one would automatically include "god" ( EVH )
Oh ye of little taste..!!!
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Re: yngwie malmsteen recommendations...
[Re: Hasbro]
#193793 - 09/10/05 05:02 PM
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I just don't like the guy  I have seen so much stuff about him basically saying he invented everything and he
doesn't even listen to other guitarists, he hasn't got time for other peoples music. He is
quoted saying sumthin like "i hardly get enuff time to write my music, let alone listen to
anyone elses" nice guy! There are many players of guitar who are considered
really good also nobody mention john petrucci? who totally rips up  also another one, dunno how popular he is, but he was a student of Satch called Andy Timmons, defo check him out if you can, some real killer stuff
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Re: yngwie malmsteen recommendations...
[Re: Henry-S]
#193812 - 09/10/05 05:41 PM
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I bet nobody on here has ever heard of a Yugoslavian (I think) guy called Misha Calvin. He
did three albums between 1993 and 1998, the debut one Evolution being his best. His style
was a mixture of Malmsteen and Vai all rolled into one but with a strong emphasis on
melody and phrasing, plus he could rip with the best of them. He worked with two good
singers on the debut album - Tony Martin (Black Sabbath + others) and Ian Parry (Elegy +
many others). http://www.heavyharmonies.com/cgi-bin/glamcd.cgi?BandNum=938&CDName=Evolut
ionSome of the best guitarists are the ones you never get to hear... NCGM
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Re: yngwie malmsteen recommendations...
[Re: Hasbro]
#193839 - 09/10/05 06:51 PM
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Andreas Volanblast... get him in yer head when you get sick of teh fat gay light stringed
skando exhibitionist
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