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Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 i/o
#382426 - 18/11/06 03:39 PM
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FOCUSRITE SAFFIRE PRO 26 I/O
Introduction
The Focusrite
Saffire Pro is one of the most eagerly awaited products (certainly by me!) in the home /
project market for a while. The basic concept was initially proposed when people tried the
original (white face) Saffire - like the unit, but can there be more of it please? A wish
list was subsequently translated into an impressive feature set : 8 mic pres very closely
related to the Focusrite Green series pres, 8 line inputs, an instrument input, insert
points, 8 line outputs, sp/dif _and_ Adat connectivity for expansion and proper
wordclocking when working with digital systems for a mere price of £499! That's a lot of
gear in a 1U rack. Initially aimed to be launched in the spring, it has taken until the
end of summer for the product to finally launch. One reason for this was the extensive
testing after initial problems with certain supplied components were not performing well
and this necessitated some re-working. But, to their credit, Focusrite stuck to their guns
and delivered to the spec and at the price point. I have been lucky enough to get one
since the first batch hit the country and so I thought I'd jot down some points for
others. I was also lucky enough to be running a Mac at the time as well as my usual
Windows XP based PC, so the testing and installations were done on both systems.
Initial Thoughts
So what do you get for five hundred quid
then? Well you get a 1U rack unit in pleasing metallic shades of silver and light blue -
which turns out to be a lot more tasteful looking than it sounds (or looked based upon
some of the original photos). The front panel has 8 inputs on balanced jacks, 8 sets of
gain controls, a master output knob, two headphone output knobs and the power switch. Of
the 8 line inputs, number 1 has a switch for running as an instrument input (for guitars,
basses, etc) as well as a phase reverse button and a lo-impedence button so that the input
can be matched to the impedance of the mic. This lo-z button is also available for input 2
and all 8 inputs have a High Pass Filter button for reducing rumbles. Additionally, inputs
5 and 6 can be configured to be unbalanced insert points for channels 1 and 2
respectively.
The rear panel has 8 xlr inputs for mic connections, 8 balanced
line outputs, two sets of Adat ins and outs, two Firewire 400 ports, sp/dif in and out on
coaxial and a pair of BNC connectors for wordclock in and out, as well as a proprietaty
mains adapter which is optional if power is supplied by the Firewire bus. However, it is
also possible to use the power from the main adapter to give more headroom to the mic
pres, so connecting it looks like a good option for those who use mics a lot. There are
two sets of Adat connections so when the Saffire is running at normal clock speeds (
44.1khz and 48khz ), 16 channels can be supplied via Adat and when the unit is running at
higher speeds ( 88.2 and 96khz ) then 8 channels can be supplied in two groups of 4 as is
standard with S-MUX these days. There is no Adat connectivity when running at 192khz.
Additionally, the box contains the usual driver DVD, power supply and a pair of
rack ears. Strangely, the main unit has curved sides on it's top so the fairly plain rack
ears make it look quite odd, so it would seem that Focusrite expect it to spend more time
on a tabletop. There also a Firewire cable of a decent couple of meters length. Which is
nice.
Installation
Installation was easy which was a
particular relief for me as this was my first Firewire device that I had installed on my
PC. With the drivers installed from the auto start disc, the device was plugged in and lit
up immediately first time. The Mac was even easier as MacOs just saw it as another audio
device. Whenever the Saffire is in use with a computer, the Saffire Control app must be
run as this allows the unit to be controlled from the computer and all functionality other
than gain / switches is performed in the Control panel app which sends messages to the
Saffire itself. This app is very similar to the existing Saffire control panel already in
use with the other units and there is no point in going over it in detail. Suffice to say
that the mixer is available and the digital connectivity and clock rates are controlled
here as well as any other features (see later).
Just for reference, my PC is
fitted with a Lacie 3 port Firewire 400 card. This was chosen for two reasons : firstly,
personal recommendation and secondly, it was mentioned on the (throroughly excellent) RME
Firewire FAQ page. I mention this as the whole area of choosing a Firewire card for the PC
seems to be a little hit and miss, however my card runs both the Saffire Pro and the
Liquid Mix so it seems to be ok. Also for reference, my PC is a 2.8Ghz Pentium 4 running
Windows XP sp2 with a gig of Ram. It may seem modest by modern standards, but combined
with the sound proofing (it's a Carillon) it has been bullet proof and quiet for several
years now.
In Use
Once everything is installed, usage
is pretty simple. You should start the Control Panel at the same time as you start the
Saffire Pro as if you start the Saffire Pro before it can see the Control Panel, it will
start as a standalone converter. This is where I have my firs niggle : when starting the
unit with monitors connected ( to outputs 1 and 2 ), there is a pretty big 'thump' that
cannot be changed. Once the unit has started it's power cycle, it does automatically mute
the outputs, but there can be a couple more clicks and pops sometimes, so if possible and
practical you should turn your monitors on once the unit has fully powered up. I cannot do
this easily so I just live with it and it hasn't blown anything up yet!
In
the Control Panel itself, it is possible to change the settings on the unit. There are
mixer pages in 'tabbed' blocks of 8 for the analogue, adat1, adat2 and sp/dif connections
although the latter only has two channels obviously. The outputs are in pairs with 1 and 2
assumed to be the main stereo mix output. The next two sets of outputs are configured to
be two sets of headphone outputs which can monitor either their own channels or the main
stereo mix from 1 and 2. This allows two sets of headphones to have separate monitor
levels - handy for an engineer and an artist - with the connectors and level controls
being on the front panel. All of the outputs have a slider to determine how much of the
output comes from the internal mixer and how much from the host software (such as Cubase).
When monitoring from the DAW (such as recording guitars) this really needs to be set to
100% in favour of software, but this causes problems as any other devices that are being
monitored (such as hardware synths) are then no longer sent to the output. A minor niggle,
but one that means that you need to decide how you want to change your workflow to
accomodate the unit. The outputs can also be solo'd, dimmed by 18db in software, padded by
18db in hardware (handy as it maintains bit depth but allows more sensible monitoring
levels), muted and finally the level can be switched between either software control from
the panel or hardware control on the unit.
Other controls on the panel allow
the turning on/off of phantom power in two blocks of 4, switching channels 5 and 6
separately into inserts, a 'headroom' control that uses the power from the supplied power
adapter to increase the headroom available on the mic pres, controls for AC3 passthrough
(through the sp/dif output) and midi thru, a couple of standard modes for easy
re-configuration and load and save buttons as these settings can be saved and recalled
later. Additionally, there is the clock rate control, the digital connections
enable/disable controls and the wordclock source. The wordclock is another niggle for me
as the unit does not automatically chase clock changes when clocked externally.
Finally, there is on major niggle that I have. When changing anything on the control
panel, there is a pause whilst the unit is updated. When changing several things (such as
turning on mulitple digital connections), each change must be sent separately which is
time consuming. This even applies when loading pre-saved configurations (which to their
credit, Focusrite now supply a large library of which cover most combinations of setup)
which is annoying. A check with Focusrite reveals that it is a problem that they are aware
of and are looking at.
Once the unit is configured, mics can be attached
ready for recording. Here we hit a couple more niggles : first, the mic connector has no
lock which means that you have to be careful when using it, secondly, there is no level
metering other than an overload light - although the thought that this should be done in
the DAW is quite valid nowadays, and lastly the gain control is not nicely calibrated but
simply has 0 - 10 marked on a continuous control. Personally, I prefer to know how much
gain I am using although I accept that it may vary depending on the power situation. I am
also a big fan of stepped controls. One other problem is that guitars with a high output
level (such as Max's beloved Jem) can overload the instrument input even at minimum gain.
My more modest guitars have no such problem, but it may be something to bear in mind.
Audio Tests
Once everything was connected and ready to
rock, I started Cubase to try some recordings. One problem here is that I get a swift
'toneburst' when I start Cubase, but that may be due to running a very old version
(SX1.06). After a quick re-configuration of the devices, I was up and running and ready to
try things out. Needless to say, the Asio driver seems rock solid and has given me no
problems in the time I have been using it. Likewise, when testing using SL3 on a Mac (as
well as Logic and Garageband), everything has been fine as well.
First was a
simple listening test. I use fairly ordinary home studio gear, so playback over my Alesis
Monitor 1s was fine - everything crisp and clear and a very solid sound with a good stereo
image - just what I was used to with my old Spirit 328 desks. Initially, having the volume
control on the far side of my desk seemed a bind, but I have noticed that I am now used to
it. I tend to monitor quietly anyway so the 18db analogue pad is a godsend as it means
that I don't need to massively reduce bit depth just to monitor my output. Once I do the
sensible thing and reduce the gain on my speakers a little, I should reclaim a few more
bits so I should really do that.
Next up was a simple mic test. I have a
matched pair of Se3s which were arranged in a parallel array and pointed at Max playing my
Norman acoustic guitar. One mic went to the Saffire Pro and the other went to my Spirit
which was connected to the Saffire via lightpipe. A couple of test recordings were taken
and compared. The test had a minor flaw as the mics were not perfectly adjacent, but even
so it was possible to hear a small difference. The Spirit had a slight hardness in the
upper mids in comparison to the more open Saffire recording. Noise levels seemed the same
which is good as the Saffire was running on bus power.
Lastly, I tried a
simple line level test of 96k recording that compared the Saffire to my Creamware A16
Ultra. With the Ultra connected again via lightpipe and happily running S-MUX, I sent the
output of my JD990 (one of my favourite Roland synths) to each in turn using one of the
demo songs as it showed off the versatility of the unit. Once the recordings were
re-aligned and normalised in Cubase, when switching between them it was impossible to tell
which was which. Again this was a good result as the Creamware has an excellent reputation
as a good line level converter.
Final Thoughts
I like
this box. I have been fairly traditional in my approach so far and previously had two
linked digital desks so that I could have everything come up before me. Now that I have
one device to act as a good central hub for audio, I have completely changed everything
round. What is more, this box has been one of the cheapest bits of audio equipment that I
have bought. What Focusrite have produced for the money is little short of astounding.
Most of my niggles are quite trivial and usually have a logical explanation as to why
things are done that way and in that sense, I initially was worried that I didn't like
this Saffire as much as I'd hoped. However, once I accepted that I had to do things
slightly differently than I was used to and just got on with it, the Saffire Pro has
performed admirably. What's more, given that multiple units can also be used and that
people are now doing so, the Saffire Pro is starting to look very versatile and
exceptional value for money. It sounds good and it works. And it's cheap. What more can we
ask for?
Edited by James Lehmann (29/11/06 06:03 AM)
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Re: Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 i/o
[Re: Dave B]
#382452 - 18/11/06 04:41 PM
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Nice one Dave. What's the latency like on a PC? The SOS review was on an Apple with poor
drivers.
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Re: Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 i/o
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#382490 - 18/11/06 05:58 PM
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Let me just fire it up and check ....
... interesting. I'm running at the
second highest speed which is 6ms which gives an input latency of 7.6ms and an output
latency of 11.5ms. I've been using some guitar stack emulations (Simulanalog, FreeAmp2 and
the PCI version of Powercore Tubifex) and I haven't found the latency a real issue.
There's an SOS review ?? Missed that one .. or is it time for a new issue again?
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Re: Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 i/o
[Re: Dave B]
#382510 - 18/11/06 07:21 PM
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Latest SOS came a couple of days ago. Apple latencies were quite a lot higher then that
and they were waiting for Apple to come up with a better driver at the time of publishing.
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Re: Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 i/o
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#382552 - 18/11/06 10:26 PM
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AFAIK , Paul White wrote the review during the Beta test period .. possibly because of the
lead time delay that screwed up everyone's scheduling.... As i type, there is already
an Apple Firewire update available to SDK users... I imagine it will shortly be on
Public Auto-Update....
it's an improvement.... but Beta testing continues
even with the product already available to the public... Focusrite are trying very hard
to catch any issues BEFORE the public do.... although given the resources of "the public
at large" versus a relatively small manufacturer.... they've been remarkably lucky OR
bloody efficient so far.,... 
(nudge nudge wink wink, we ALL know the Ff Engineering
team are working 32 hours a day 16 days a week..... so take it as read that they're on
the ball as much as can be expected... if not more )
I can say no
more.... 
Simon you're welcome to try one.... pop by some time to our new place..... (Email) or call on Dave....
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Re: Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 i/o
[Re: Dave B]
#382592 - 19/11/06 01:39 AM
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I definitely am using release rather than beta drivers / software and I am sure that I
didn't notice much in the way of latency issues on the Mac. To be fair, I only had the Mac
for a while but I am sure that I still tried most things on it and didn't really notice
any problems. I just hope that Paul reviews it on both platforms as well.
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Re: Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 i/o
[Re: Dave B]
#382602 - 19/11/06 08:40 AM
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cheers DaveB, for taking the time, great review!
I see you thought the pre's
were good in comparison to your desk. wanna talk a bit more about them? Maybe you havn't
given them a good workout yet.
What do you think of the plug-ins?
Great review though, nice one.
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Re: Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 i/o
[Re: Dave B]
#382677 - 19/11/06 02:19 PM
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ow, there's not much that I can really say about the pres. I'm not one of the golden eared
crowd, so as long as it sounds reasonably good then I'll take it - at the sort of level
that I work at I think that appropriate choice of mic is more important. I deliberately
didn't go into too much detail for that reason. All I know is that the acoustic sounded
good and that's one of the better tests that I know to do. At a push I could possibly dig
out the test files...
Likewise, I didn't go into detail about the plugins as
they are the same ones as are in the other Saffires AFAIK. Opinion is divided over their
layout - I quite like the 'idiot mode' that they have (being one myself) and it's
interesting to see what effect they have when using the eq and compressor. But I now have
Liquid Mix and Powercore so they are pretty much redundant really. I have discovered that
I really like the 'Ampeg' amp model on bass though, although the guitar sims are quite
nasty to my ears.
Right, I'm off to town to go and find out what a real
reviewer made of this beastie...
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Re: Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 i/o
[Re: Dave B]
#382701 - 19/11/06 03:24 PM
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Fair enough. I ask because i scratch my head at the price of this box. For me the mic
pre's would be one of the things where you can hear the budget, but they are one of the
main attractions for me. I dont own any fantastic boutique channels [i do have a focusrite
platinum channel] so i would go on faith.
I just look at the tag, 458 quid
from the germans, look the spec and am agog. Plus i need a decent eq and compressor
plugin... thats why i asked, but what can you say bad about this for the money...
And wheres my bloody prize!
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Re: Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 i/o
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#382732 - 19/11/06 05:37 PM
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Ow, it may seem strange, but there _aren't_ any real cons as far as I can tell. Focusrite
have been making mic pres for years now and are quite good at making them to a (low)
pricepoint. The only thing I can think of is that the low price is a gamble on their part
to claim that slice of the market as I've heard that they have high hopes for it. Needless
to say, there is a _lot_ of interest in this box from a variety of areas and levels.
The plug ins are ok - there is a rumour that they are done by someone who did some
very expensive ProTools versions (the eq and compressor anyway) and again, I'm not golden
eared enough to get picky. They made some guitar, vocal, etc sound nice so I was happy.
Having just got back from town and actually read Paul White's review, he doesn't dismiss
them either so that's nice.
Go on ... buy one ... you know you want to really
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Re: Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 i/o
[Re: Dave B]
#382737 - 19/11/06 05:54 PM
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Hehe, i almost certainly will. I'm just one of those people who spends a long time looking
at a piece of kit before i buy it, (if its not an instrument, they are always pure
impulse)... Things have to be really functional and simple and good.
Ive been
looking for a way to further simplify my already sparse setup, but have more i/o. Ive been
waiting for this box for ages to read the reviews... I'm sure there will be one here
soonish...
But thanks for th info, my credit card is quivering in the corner,
it knows
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Re: Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 i/o
[Re: Dave B]
#383357 - 21/11/06 09:56 AM
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A truly excellent review, Dave!
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Re: Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 i/o
[Re: Dave B]
#384070 - 22/11/06 04:06 PM
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Excellent review Dave - I know how much time goes into writing these reviews, but a
well-written and thorough one like yours is of real value to folks I reckon!
I
think it's always nice to include a photo - shall I edit one in for you?
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Re: Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 i/o
[Re: James Lehmann]
#386255 - 27/11/06 10:33 PM
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Yup. nice review, Dave. 
Reg
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Re: Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 i/o
[Re: Dave B]
#386456 - 28/11/06 11:40 AM
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James, feel free to stick a piccie in if you feel it needs it. I'm just kicking myself as
I should have included a link to the Focusrite page so people could go straight there - I
think that's a better solution personally.
I'm now working on a Liquid Mix
review ... ooh err...
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Re: Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 i/o
[Re: Dave B]
#386894 - 29/11/06 06:04 AM
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Fixed it Dave!
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Re: Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 i/o
[Re: Dave B]
#391556 - 09/12/06 08:43 PM
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A couple of thoughts. I had one for a while (a Saffire Pro, not a thought..) and while I
was initially impressed, I just couldn't get it to slave sync to a Motu Midi Timepiece AV
with Wordclock. Spoke to Focusrite, who scratched their heads a lot and said they'd get in
an MTP to check. Never heard back. Also, I was tending to just use the 2 Adat ins and outs
(from a digital desk), but you can't configure these as channels 1-16. They are hard-wired
as in/out 11-27.. which meant changing all the output configurations in existing Logic
projects. I gave up and I now have an RME Fireface 800 which is more flexible.
Malc
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Re: Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 i/o
[Re: Dave B]
#425655 - 23/02/07 10:45 PM
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I've been searching for the right interface for me for ages. This review swung it for
me.
Thanks Dave. Really well written.
Sapphire Pro, here I come..
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Re: Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 i/o
[Re: Dave B]
#454179 - 30/04/07 12:58 PM
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i've tried a few interfaces now (motu ultralite and the traveller) and after reading the
review of the saffire pro 26 have decided to try one but i'm confused as to wether the
latency issuses have been sorted out with apples firewire drivers! can any one help
please.
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Re: Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 i/o
[Re: Dave B]
#454180 - 30/04/07 12:58 PM
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i've tried a few interfaces now (motu ultralite and the traveller) and after reading the
review of the saffire pro 26 have decided to try one but i'm confused as to wether the
latency issuses have been sorted out with apples firewire drivers! can any one help
please.
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Re: Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 i/o
[Re: stephen500]
#454485 - 30/04/07 11:09 PM
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Yes, that latency issue got sorted out some time ago.
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Re: Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 i/o
[Re: Dave B]
#457067 - 07/05/07 08:36 AM
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thanks for the nformation! i was wondering what would happen with the pro 26 if you had a
situation where you had 5 microphones using phantom power and maybe a tube or ribbon
microphone that wouldn't like 48 volts shoved into it seeing as you can only switch
phantom power on in two blocks of four! is this a big set back because it seems you can
switch individual channels with their cheaper pro 10! thanks in advance
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Re: Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 i/o
[Re: stephen500]
#457766 - 08/05/07 08:31 PM
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Quote stephenm50:
because it
seems you can switch individual channels with their cheaper pro 10! thanks in advance
No you
can't. it also switches in banks of 4 channels.
the solution is to plan
your mic use more intelligently.... 
The majority of tube Mic PSU's can cope with phantom
power being present, but by no means all ,liekwise many modern Ribbon mics, so check your
manuals carefully....
the simple answer would be to put the non phantom
happy Mic's on a separate Pre-amp&AD stage and feed it in via SPDIF. this solution works
for either the Pro10 or Pro26 , or On the 26i/0 use ADAT and external AD/DA to add
multiple mic channels of all shapes and sizes....
Sure , it has some
shortcomings, but at the price these things are,... they're more than acceptable. I mean
, the Octopre LE only has globally switched Phantom power.... at least there's a split on
the saffire
I have multiple Saffire 26 I/O's .... money where mouth
is.... , and yes i would have preferred individually switched phantom power.... I would
even go so far as to say i'd have probably been happy to pay a bit more for the unit if it
had it.... but I'm happy enough as it is, and I have additional Mic amps and AD/DA so
it's not a problem for me personally anyway....
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Re: Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 i/o
[Re: Max!]
#457769 - 08/05/07 08:40 PM
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Max !
Does the Focusrite Saffire Le (£219) have the same mic pres & converters
as the Saffire Pro.
I have searched on line & the forum and posted a topic Due to the deluge of responses
I thought I'd ask here.
Thanks.
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Re: Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 i/o
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#458751 - 10/05/07 05:12 PM
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AFAIK, Yes...
my understanding is that the LE is basically the same unit as the
original Saffire... but minus the DSP and with a reconfigured I/O arrangement... the rest
is the same...
(oh, and it's a different colour )
Max
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Re: Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 i/o
[Re: Dave B]
#458785 - 10/05/07 06:48 PM
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So whats the difference between the 10 & 26 models? They look the same, adat 8pres and so
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Re: Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 i/o
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#458835 - 10/05/07 08:33 PM
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the Pro-10 has NO adat... and NO word clock i/o
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Re: Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 i/o
[Re: Max!]
#458836 - 10/05/07 08:34 PM
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Ah, should have read the specs a bit more carefully, ta Max.
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stephen500
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Re: Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 i/o
[Re: Max!]
#458926 - 10/05/07 11:08 PM
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thanks alot max!!!
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Rev. Jem
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Re: Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 i/o
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#469339 - 05/06/07 07:04 AM
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Hello Simon & the rest of you lot. Haven't been around here for quite a while but,
attracted by DaveB's review (nice one, Dave), I thought I'd ask a question.
I
had pretty much decided on this interface until I read a review of the Alesis IO26. Any
of you chaps have any experience with it &/or know how it compares to the Saffire.
I am a little unsure as to whether this is the right place to post this question
but I'm sure you'll let me know & where to do it properly if that's the case.
Edited by Rev. Jem (05/06/07 07:05 AM)
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Re: Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 i/o
[Re: Dave B]
#470842 - 08/06/07 07:36 PM
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No ADAT outs on the alesis, so only 10 max outputs.
New saffire firmware and
control pro software makes it pretty hard to beat anyway.
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Re: Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 i/o
[Re: Rev. Jem]
#470887 - 08/06/07 09:58 PM
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I shouldn't say anything but...... Mic pre's on the Saffire are better than the
Alesis...
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Re: Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 i/o
[Re: Max!]
#471847 - 12/06/07 05:41 AM
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Yairs thanks a lot, ship-mates.
I do still have this belief in the Focusrite &
its build quality despite the Alesis' inclusion of 8 inserts & a phono preamp.
Thanks - I think I'm pretty well sold.
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Re: Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 i/o
[Re: Dave B]
#481126 - 03/07/07 07:08 PM
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A certain SOS advertiser has these going for £293 - a bargain IMHO.
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Re: Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 i/o
[Re: James Percival]
#481131 - 03/07/07 07:17 PM
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Quote jamespercival:
A certain
SOS advertiser has these going for £293 - a bargain IMHO.
Careful there, that might be the 10 i/o
which doesnt have the adat or clocking.
But who is it anyway...?
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James Percival
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Re: Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 i/o
[Re: Dave B]
#481204 - 03/07/07 09:46 PM
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Studiospares. Yes, it is the 10 i/o but even without the ADAT and clocking it is good
enough value for the preamps (I suppose similar-ish quality to Platinum series?) if you
are prepared to have it as a clock master.
£293 (inc VAT) is still about 70
quid cheaper than everywhere else.
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Re: Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 i/o
[Re: James Percival]
#481207 - 03/07/07 09:57 PM
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Quote jamespercival:
Studiospares. Yes, it is the 10 i/o but even without the ADAT and clocking it is good
enough value for the preamps (I suppose similar-ish quality to Platinum series?) if you
are prepared to have it as a clock master.
£293 (inc VAT) is still about 70
quid cheaper than everywhere else.
I thought that when i saw the sos insert, btu just checking the website shows a
higher price. I wonder if that wasnt a misprint.
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Re: Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 i/o
[Re: Dave B]
#584406 - 24/02/08 09:03 PM
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Hello all, just wanted to ask if anyone could compare the Focusrite to the Motu 8pre? They
seem fairly evenly matched. Thanks.
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Re: Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 i/o
[Re: Dave B]
#584479 - 25/02/08 08:02 AM
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I've only compared mine to the Motu Traveller. I preferred the sound of the Saffire to the
Motu, but again this comes down to preference - I thought that the Saffire had a slightly
more open sound whereas the Traveller sounded slightly harder. We were testing on acoustic
guitars and it was more a case of horses for courses than one being 'better'. Like I said,
my preference was for the Saffire (luckily) but ymmv.
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Re: Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 i/o
[Re: James Percival]
#585182 - 26/02/08 09:47 PM
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Quote jamespercival:
(I suppose
similar-ish quality to Platinum series?) if you are prepared to have it as a clock master.
1), Actually the pre-amps
are markedly better than the platinum series pre-amps... (or anything esle remotely in the
price bracket ! ) and as they roll out new products in the platinum line, they're all
being replaced with the saffire pre-amp... which is derived (but not quite identical to)
the earlier focusrite Green series pre-amp... I have both the original and the saffire
pro's , and they're pretty close... quite close enough for me to be happy with the
Saffire pro....
2) It's clock isn't bad either.... a very clean and
precise wave form, with performance well above it's price range... definitely superior to
the MOTU clock IMHO... I have a "hybrid" system here, using MOTU PCI424/2408mk3(and
occasionally the 192HD, and Saffire pro together in a Mac OSX "aggregate device" using
the saffire as Clock master.
I admit to some bias, having been somewhat
involved with the Saffire Pro's birth and infancy 
but i have it by choice, not force of circumstance , i COULD
have bought any other Firewire interface instead.
but I have 2 Saffire pro's to
hand, and very useful they are too!
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