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Neumann KM-D Digital Microphones
#425894 - 24/02/07 07:33 PM
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INTRODUCTION
This is not
intended as a review, as Hugh Robjohns has already done an excellent review of the KM
184-D in the March 2007 issue of SOS HERE. Also, as Sennheiser UK pay my salary, you will obviously
think any review as biased.
However – here I am taking off my
Sennheiser/Neumann hat and putting on my Circle Sound Services hat to say why I invested
my own money in a pair of KM 183-D omnis and a DMI-2 interface and will
describe the start of an ongoing recording project using them. So I am sticking to facts
and a description of how I used them.
I went over to Neumann, Berlin in
November 2006 to be shown the new range and initially was thinking – digital
microphones, great, but…..
However, I was forgetting about all the headroom
that you have to allow for with analogue microphones. Headroom in the microphone
pre-amplifier (and the additional noise in the analogue circuit) and the headroom you have
to allow in the D/A converter. These two added together mean there is about a 25dB
reduction in the s/n ratio – so, a 130dB dynamic range gets reduced, in effect, to only
105dB. That was point #1 that started me sitting up and listening.
The A/D
in the Solution-D series (including the KM-D) is a patented Neumann true 28-bit conversion
that gets the full dynamic range of the microphone – this is outputted as a 24-bit
signal in the AES42 format. The interface controls the microphones and outputs the signal
as standard AES3. Details of all this – AES42, Stephan Peus’s paper on digital
microphones and product brochures can all be downloaded in pdf format from the Neumann
website HERE.
Once the signal is in the digital domain in
the microphone you can adjust the level, add compression, pre-attenuation, etc., even
switch the microphone's power light on and off or change the brightness. This is all
controlled by the Neumann RCS software included with the DMI-2 (see channel strip
below).
And there is a lot more you can do in
the digital domain in the microphone. Most important (and convincing point #2 for me) is
the inclusion of an integral digital limiter that prevents overload. On a test with a
microphone with this disabled, is was very clear how effective this limiter is. No
distortion at all, it just does not get any louder. Great for transients that would
normally distort the recording and require a re-take – now it’s just perfect.
Those are the main reasons why I immediately put my own money on the table and
bought my own pair and I have also put my name on the top of the list for the new KK
131-D flat-omni (nearfield) capsules when they come out.
THE PROJECT
I have been asked to record a series of CDs for the
pianist, Richard
Meyrick. I have recorded Richard many times over the years, normally with
Sennheiser MKH 20 omnis – but this time I also used the new Neumann KM 183-D digital
microphones.
The project is sponsored by The Man Group and Blüther pianos,
so our hands were not tied to get a good sound.
The recording venue was The Menuhin
Hall in the Yehudi Menuhin School in Stoke d’Abernon. This is a superb building
with a great sound. It is totally isolated from outside noise with a perfect cable route
to the Green Room where we set up the recording equipment.
AES42 signals can
only travel about 10-metres along normal microphone cable, so I went along to Canford
Audio and got them to make me some custom cables (yes, I know - I’m lazy and I am not
proficient with lead-free solder yet) made with proper balanced AES digital audio cable,
terminated with the new Neutrik EMC XLR connectors. AES42 at 24/96 can travel about
200-metres along these cables, so distance was not a problem.
As this was my
first outing with the KM-D series, I did a parallel recording with a pair of MKH 20s (as
you can see in the picture).
The microphones were set up as shown in the photo (just
click on the picture to get the large version). As the KM 183-D is a diffuse-field omni,
it has a lift in the upper frequency range. But I had the microphones only about a couple
of metres from the piano. Anyone who has seen a polar-pattern of an omni microphone knows
how the high frequencies are attenuated off-axis due to the physical size of the
microphone. We started with having the 183-Ds at about 45°, but found this was still a
bit too bright; so we turned them through 90° and had them vertical. At this position
the frequency response was ruler flat and the piano sounded great (the MKH 20s didn’t
need turning as they have a flat response head on).
The KM 183-Ds were
connected to the DMI-2 interface which locked them to the same clock time. They were set
to a 96kHz sample rate and a digital gain of 25dB was applied (in practice this was fine
as the absolute maximum peak ended up being about -1.6dBFS – I ended up not needing the
limiter at all). I did not apply any compression at all.
The output of the
DMI-2 was fed to an AES splitter which outputted to a Fostex FR-2 for the main recording
at 24/96. The second output went to an Audio Design ProBox 10 sample rate converter which
down-converted to 16/44.1 to record a DAT safety copy on my old Fostex D-10. The MKH 20s
went to an Audio Design DMA2 24/96 mic. pre. and into a second FR-2 (kindly loaned by SCV
London for the event).
Monitoring was via a Grace m902, Sennheiser HD 650
headphones and Klein + Hummel O110 active monitors (as shown in the picture – again,
click the image to get the large version). Talkback was via my custom unit (made by
myself many years ago) which also controlled the red lights. I also used “The Box”
for stereo soundstage imaging.
The first recording session was five consecutive days just
before Christmas ’06. The sessions went extremely well and the microphones behaved
flawlessly. We were delighted with the results.
The KM-D microphones are so
quiet that we had no background noise “clue” when we were playing back. We kept
thinking something was wrong, as every time we started to play back a take we couldn’t
hear anything – until the music started. They are quiet!
The sound
of the microphones is the sound of the capsules with nothing added and nothing taken away.
Once we had tamed the top end by angling the microphones correctly, everything was
wonderful.
Earlier this year, we spent a weekend with Samplitude9 on the PC,
editing most of the sessions and the pianist and sponsors are absolutely delighted with
the results.
We are going back for the next sessions just before Easter and a
CD of Chopin music should be released mid year. We have more sessions booked and further
CDs will follow later.
Yes – we chose the KM 183-D microphones for the
release (not that the MKH 20s weren’t good – but this combination was the best one in
this situation).
I don’t spend my own money lightly - probably something to
do with my Scottish great-grandmother  - and I
certainly have no regrets in doing it this time.
In fact the KM 183-Ds work
out quite cheap – including the interface, a pair works out at about the same price as
any top class omni (slightly cheaper than a pair of MKH 20s) – but when you factor in
that you don’t need a mic. pre. or A/D, or even a limiter / compressor...
And - when the mixer and DAW manufacturers come out with AES42 inputs on their
equipment, you won't even need the interface.
All in all, I'm delighted and
plan to add to the system as it is expanded over the next year or two.
(Forget I work for Sennheiser - this is my own money I'm spending here - no regrets,
it's great)
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Re: Neumann KM-D Digital Microphones
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#425910 - 24/02/07 08:18 PM
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Many thanks for that John - honest & unbiased - just like the recording turned out, eh?
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Re: Neumann KM-D Digital Microphones
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#425914 - 24/02/07 08:23 PM
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Concise & easy to understand review JW.
Thank you.
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Re: Neumann KM-D Digital Microphones
[Re: TImellis]
#425928 - 24/02/07 08:56 PM
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Quote TImellis:
Many thanks for
that John - honest & unbiased - just like the recording turned out, eh?
As honest and unbiased as I can
be.
I liked the mics. I bought them with my own money - and this is how I used
them.
Yes, it can be difficult when you are writing about something made by
your employer - but if something excites me I want to talk about it; and this excited me
so much I spent my own money on it.
For a review that is totally unbiased, read
Hugh Robjohn's review - you can take this how you wish.
But I liked them so
much I bought them myself.
What I write I believe - negatives I may leave out,
but I honestly couldn't find any with these, other than the brightness which I fixed with
moving them to the best angle for the best results.
And my customer is so
delighted that he plans on a 3,000 production run for the CDs.
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Re: Neumann KM-D Digital Microphones
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#425973 - 24/02/07 11:47 PM
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Very nice, John. I'm looking forward to hearing them
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Re: Neumann KM-D Digital Microphones
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#425975 - 25/02/07 12:07 AM
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I hope you didn't think there was any sarcasm intended, John, in my post - not at all -
you came across totally honest and unbiased. Would you predict a time when digital
microphones become the norm?
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Re: Neumann KM-D Digital Microphones
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#425977 - 25/02/07 12:31 AM
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Quote TImellis:
Would you predict
a time when digital microphones become the norm?
They'll never become the norm, but they will become a lot more
common and even mainstream -- particularly in classical and serious music recording
circles.
But there will always be those who want to stay with analogue because
they like the limitations of that technology. They like the distortions, and they like the
'black art' of choosing mic preamps and A-D converters to create a particular sonic
character. You can't do that with digital mics, and especially not with mics as good as
Neumann's Solution D series.
John is quite right, the KM-D mics are stunning in
every way, and I am sorely tempted to buy a pair myself but can't really justify it at
present.
Hugh
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#518213 - 13/09/07 12:57 PM
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John,
I amended the IMG tags to show the missing 2 pictures so have removed
this secondary post.
ian G
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Re: Neumann KM-D Digital Microphones
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#518217 - 13/09/07 01:04 PM
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As a postscript - I have now ordered a pair of the new KK 131 flat-omni heads for the KM-D
system. And if anyone else is using the Neumann Digital microphone systems
there are firmware upgrades downloadable from the Neumann website.
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Re: Neumann KM-D Digital Microphones
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#518718 - 14/09/07 09:13 AM
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Quote John Willett:
What I write
I believe - negatives I may leave out, but I honestly couldn't find any with these, other
than the brightness which I fixed with moving them to the best angle for the best
results.
That makes it sound
like the mics are inappropriately bright, which isn't the case. These particular capsuels
were intended for diffuse field use adn John didn't want to use them that way, hence
having to correct the response by turning them off axis. Neumann has now produced direct
field omni capsules, and the fact that the off axis response of the originals sounded so
good is a testament to the quality of the original capsule design.
I have to
agree with John that the KM-Ds are phenomenally good mics, and althoguh they appear
expensive initially, when you look at all the other things you no longer need in your
recording chain, they are actually very good value for money. It was only the whispers of
a similar Sennheiser system in the near future that disuaded me from buying the KM-Ds
myself.
hugh
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Re: Neumann KM-D Digital Microphones
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#519135 - 14/09/07 11:26 PM
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Quote John Willett:
It seems the
hosting site has removed a couple of the pictures I posted on the original review.
As I can't edit it to reallocate them - I am posting the missing pictures
here:-

Nice to see your stereo image box gets a
regular outing John...
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Re: Neumann KM-D Digital Microphones
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#519278 - 15/09/07 12:37 PM
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Quote RegressiveRock:
Nice
to see your stereo image box gets a regular outing John...
Of course, it's excellent and
invaluable - I use it on every recording session.
If you want one you get it
from Mike Ballance (yes, that *is* his real name) at Tabor
Audio.
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Re: Neumann KM-D Digital Microphones
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#519399 - 15/09/07 05:22 PM
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The Box is quite useful once you've learned how to interpret it (which doesn't take that
long), and it is quite cost effective.... but the DK-Technologies meters are soooo much
better and do sooo much more.. . . . . . . ...but they
do cost a lot more!  hugh
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Re: Neumann KM-D Digital Microphones
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#519455 - 15/09/07 07:39 PM
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Quote Hugh Robjohns:
The Box is
quite useful once you've learned how to interpret it (which doesn't take that long), and
it is quite cost effective.... but the DK-Technologies meters are soooo much better and do
sooo much more..
....but they do cost a lot more! 
I agree - but five times more
(and more). 
I would have got one if they were cheaper.
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Re: Neumann KM-D Digital Microphones
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#519512 - 15/09/07 10:47 PM
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Quote John Willett:
I agree -
but five times more (and more). 
I would have got one if they were cheaper.
But it does do five times as much!
Bargraph level
meters with selectable scales and true peak indicators
Spectrum analysis as 1/3
octave RTA or FFT
Phase meter
Lissajous display (goniometer)
Surround jellyfish/starfish displays (on the surround meters)
Routing
matrix
test tone generator
Loudness measuring
Digital
fault logging
Stereo Downmixing (for surround version)
...and
more.
It's not that I'm a huge fan or anything..... and other metering systems
are available 
And yes, I did have a BOX too, but I stopped using it and gave it
to a friend.
hugh
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Re: Neumann KM-D Digital Microphones
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#519592 - 16/09/07 11:02 AM
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I agree and it's on my list - after the MKH 8020 stereo set, the MKH 8040 stereo set, the
Nagra VI, the U87 Anniversary Edition and a new PC.
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Re: Neumann KM-D Digital Microphones
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#520214 - 17/09/07 10:02 PM
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Quote John Willett:
and a new
PC.
Stop using them
then, and use a proper recording system
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Re: Neumann KM-D Digital Microphones
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#520222 - 17/09/07 10:48 PM
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Quote Aural Reject:
Stop using
them then, and use a proper recording system
I *do* use a proper recording
system.
You don't think I actually use a PC for recording do you? It's far too
risky - I don't trust them that far.
But I *do* use a PC for editing and
mastering. If it all goes tits up I still have all the original material.
Using a PC for recording - madness - whatever next.
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Re: Neumann KM-D Digital Microphones
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#520224 - 17/09/07 10:50 PM
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Trust no-one  Editing? You mean they don't get it right first time like my lot?
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Re: Neumann KM-D Digital Microphones
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#520347 - 18/09/07 11:00 AM
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Quote John Willett:
You don't
think I actually use a PC for recording do you? It's far too risky - I don't trust them
that far.
I use a PC for
recording -- with the SADiE LRX2 -- but for critical stuff (what isn't?) I back up with a
Genex 8500 Hard disk recorder. But to be fair, I've not had any problems so far recording
to the laptop with an external drive....
hugh
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Re: Neumann KM-D Digital Microphones
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#533171 - 12/10/07 03:49 PM
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As I promised - I *have* now bought the KK131 flat-omni heads for the KM-D. I have yet to use them in anger, but will probably use them more than the 183 once
the current recording project is finished.
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Re: Neumann KM-D Digital Microphones
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#731049 - 01/05/09 04:06 PM
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Update:- Neumann have released, in the last week, updated RCS software (v2.0.1)
that complies with the latest version of the AES42 standard. They have also
released new software updates for the DMI-2 controller and the KM-D series, D-01 and TLM
103-D microphones. I have just updated all my kit. The new software
also works with the new Sennheiser MZD 8000 digital module that is due for release very
soon.
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Re: Neumann KM-D Digital Microphones
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#806099 - 23/01/10 11:58 AM
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Update - Neumann have recently launched more new capsules for the KM-D series
including the KK 133 omni with ball head and KK 120 fig-8. They have also
launched the new KM-A analogue version of the KM-D so the same capsules can be used AES42
digital or conventional analogue.
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Re: Neumann KM-D Digital Microphones
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#844459 - 05/07/10 08:42 PM
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The Neumann KM 185 D has come out and it's not bad. It has a good A/D converter. I used it
to record a pianist at a piano teaching academy
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Re: Neumann KM-D Digital Microphones
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#881477 - 13/12/10 06:22 PM
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Why not? We are using them in for our guitar lessons london
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Re: Neumann KM-D Digital Microphones
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#886789 - 12/01/11 03:46 PM
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Quote icarus22:
The Neumann KM
185 D has come out and it's not bad. It has a good A/D converter. I used it to record a
pianist at a piano teaching academy (PTL - piano teachers london )
The KM 185-D was one of the original 3 launched in 2006.
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Re: Neumann KM-D Digital Microphones
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#886791 - 12/01/11 03:51 PM
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Neumann have just launched the DMI-2Portable - it's a slimline DC powered version
of the mains DMI-2. Shipping starts next week (week 3, 2011) and I have already
ordered a pair of them so I can record four AES42 digital mics at the same time into my
Nagra VI. For some reason it's not on the Neumann website yet; but I'll post
the link when it's up.
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Re: Neumann KM-D Digital Microphones
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#891272 - 31/01/11 04:58 PM
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Quote John Willett:
Quote icarus22:
The Neumann KM
185 D has come out and it's not bad. It has a good A/D converter. I used it to record a
pianist at a piano teaching academy (PTL - piano teachers london )
The KM 185-D was one of the original 3 launched in 2006.
That post, and the other one
above yours are both spam.
Paul
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Re: Neumann KM-D Digital Microphones
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#894105 - 11/02/11 04:48 PM
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The new DMI-2 Portable interface is out now and I received a couple the other day
to go with my Nagra VI.
It's not on any website yet, so this is a scan of the
Owners Manual pictures:-
I will upload pictures of my own
units as soon as I ave them all sorted and cabled up to the Nagra VI.
The
DMI-2 Portable is DC powered and I can power two of them from my Nagra VI to record up to
four digital mics at once.
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Re: Neumann KM-D Digital Microphones
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#894121 - 11/02/11 06:06 PM
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Not sure why the image of the DMI-2Portable does not show in the above post.  The picture is HERE.
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Re: Neumann KM-D Digital Microphones
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#899863 - 10/03/11 11:17 AM
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Quote John Willett:
I will upload
pictures of my own units as soon as I have them all sorted and cabled up to the Nagra VI.
OK - here it is.
My Nagra VI and the two DMI-2Portable interfaces for recording four digital mics. at
once:
The two DMI-2Portable are both
powered from the Nagra VI and they are clocked from the very accurate word clock in the
Nagra VI.
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Re: Neumann KM-D Digital Microphones
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#903463 - 24/03/11 03:36 PM
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The DMI-2Portable is now on the Neumann website HERE.
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Re: Neumann KM-D Digital Microphones
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#1048677 - 17/05/13 11:58 AM
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For more information on digital microphones... I have written two AES papers on
the subject. The first was presented at the 130th AES convention in London in
May 2011 and the second (a bit longer) at the UK AES Conference "The Ins and Outs of
Audio" in June 2011. Both these papers list all the products for AES42 digital
microphones from all manufacturers to give a complete picture. You can download
the PDFs from the links below:- Digital Microphones - What's it all about?Digital Microphones - AES42 and all thatI
trust these will be useful in explaining AES42 digital microphones.
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