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Arturia Moog Modular V and ARP2600 ? new
      #474927 - 20/06/07 11:15 AM
I was very excited when these two arrived, especially as I'll never be able to afford the real thing, well, the Moog anyway. Initially I thought that the Moog would get the most use, but the reverse is now true. As with the real life counterparts the differences soon became apparent, I now realise why the Moog was more of a "traditional musicians" instrument, and the 2600 leaned more towards experimental music.
I really find it a struggle to come up with extremely abstract/random patches on the Moog, you can, but it takes a lot longer, whereas the ARP seems to do that very well indeed with little effort, it has a tremendous sequencer which when combined with the Sample And Hold module can really go off into the nether regions !
The bottom line is that the Moog doesn't get used that much at all now, but every time I use the ARP I come up with interesting patches at the drop of a hat. I suppose this is normal with any instrument it's what you feel drawn to, and feel at home with.
What I don't like about the Moog is the fact that the Sample And Hold modules and LFO's all seem to be tied to the same internal clock, so you can't have one module running at a different speed to the others, a severe limitation. But you can set up random modulations on the ARP, and run the sequencer in random mode at a different speed. Also, the 2600 does respond and feel like the real thing sometimes, especially when using that old trick of feeding outputs back to inputs, which produces some stunning sounds, this doesn't work on the Moog in such an effective way, and most of the time just produces nasty sinuous digital feedback or it just cuts out altogether.
I would like to own an ARP2600 one day soon, thats my goal, I feel that if I could have afforded one when it first came on to the market it would have been my instrument of choice. This isn't one of those "oh everything will be perfect when type wishes" I have my sound and my style already, it would just be nice to have the real thing, thats all. A very inspiring instrument, and a beautiful sound.

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Re: Arturia Moog Modular V and ARP2600 ? new [Re: Arpangel]
      #475036 - 20/06/07 01:44 PM
Sounds cool. I may have to check it out..... Do you know any examples of songs that use the ARP?


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Re: Arturia Moog Modular V and ARP2600 ? new [Re: Stoney]
      #475041 - 20/06/07 01:51 PM
Quote Stoney:

Sounds cool. I may have to check it out..... Do you know any examples of songs that use the ARP?



Loads of early Stevie Wonder stuff, Herbie Hancock, George Duke. And there's THIS

Dunno any that use the s/w version though

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Re: Arturia Moog Modular V and ARP2600 ? new [Re: hollowsun]
      #475194 - 20/06/07 06:35 PM
Quote hollowsun:

Dunno any that use the s/w version though




Me ! my last three CD's !

I want to see that Edgar Winter Group video, but it won't load ! maybe later, I thought he used the ARP PRO Soloist though ?

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Re: Arturia Moog Modular V and ARP2600 ? new [Re: Arpangel]
      #475199 - 20/06/07 06:43 PM
Youtube must be in demand, all my other sites load perfectly, except that one, I'll try in the morning.

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Re: Arturia Moog Modular V and ARP2600 ? new [Re: Arpangel]
      #475200 - 20/06/07 06:44 PM
Tony, no that's definately the Arp2600. You'll recognise it instantly when you can load the video clip. He's playing the keyboard strapped around his neck, and the synchesizer itself is behind him, connected via a lead.

A fantastic track, and a fanstastic funky sound. I can fully understand why Herbie Hancock and Stevie Wonder both used them. In fact, the patch on the video sounds very similar to one that you hear quite a lot in the early Stevie Wonder stuff.

I'd love an Arp2600, too. However, I fear that I would have to shed a lot of other stuff fit it into my studio. The SW version looks like a great compromise!


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Re: Arturia Moog Modular V and ARP2600 ? new [Re: leslawrenson]
      #475206 - 20/06/07 06:58 PM
Yes, but he did appear on Whistle Test with the Pro Soloist, but maybe he was miming !

I'd rather be using this any day of the century.........




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Re: Arturia Moog Modular V and ARP2600 ? [Re: Arpangel]
      #475210 - 20/06/07 07:01 PM
That's exactly what he was using! And in this clip, he definately is not miming! He's fiddling with the controls real time.

I've not seen this group before. Is the blond haired chap THE Edgar Winter? My, my, he is a multi-talented soul!! Keyboards, sax and drums! A man after my own heart.


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Re: Arturia Moog Modular V and ARP2600 ? new [Re: Arpangel]
      #475214 - 20/06/07 07:04 PM
I have Analog Factory and I use it loads, glad you are enjoying your new toys Tony!

There loads of very useful sounds and some very strange sounds.

Certainly a good synth maker and I am planning on another title from them t some stage...

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Re: Arturia Moog Modular V and ARP2600 ? new [Re: Arpangel]
      #475216 - 20/06/07 07:04 PM
ARP 2600 is a fave of JM Jarre. Used on nearly every single album.


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Re: Arturia Moog Modular V and ARP2600 ? new [Re: Arpangel]
      #475217 - 20/06/07 07:06 PM
I just cant load anything to do with You Tube, I think it must be a problem with the site, typical.

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Re: Arturia Moog Modular V and ARP2600 ? new [Re: table for two]
      #475218 - 20/06/07 07:06 PM
Quote table for two:

ARP 2600 is a fave of JMJ Jarre. Used on nearly every single album.




I can perfectly understand why. It's such a fantastic synth!

That filter is to die for!


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Re: Arturia Moog Modular V and ARP2600 ? new [Re: leslawrenson]
      #475221 - 20/06/07 07:10 PM
I really cant remember, I've obviously got in worng as my aged brain tries to remember things that happened 30 years ago ! Yes, that is Edgar Winter, I saw him live once, really amazing. Frankenstein is from the album "They Only Come Out At Night"

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Re: Arturia Moog Modular V and ARP2600 ? new [Re: Arpangel]
      #475222 - 20/06/07 07:13 PM
Quote arpangel:

Yes, that is Edgar Winter, I saw him live once, really amazing. Frankenstein is from the album "They Only Come Out At Night"

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That's it then! Another album to track down and buy! Thanks for the heads-up.


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Re: Arturia Moog Modular V and ARP2600 ? new [Re: leslawrenson]
      #475230 - 20/06/07 07:21 PM
When I get my new computer I'm going to get the TimeWARP2600, I think it's less prone to bugs than the Arturia version, and more authentic, but its very processor hungry, and requires quite a powerful computer.

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Re: Arturia Moog Modular V and ARP2600 ? new [Re: leslawrenson]
      #475266 - 20/06/07 08:08 PM
Quote leslawrenson:

Quote table for two:

ARP 2600 is a fave of JMJ Jarre. Used on nearly every single album.




I can perfectly understand why. It's such a fantastic synth!

That filter is to die for!




JMJ also likes using it for bass on various albums eg the bass seq on oxygene 8 (1997).
The drone beginning of Equinoxe 1 though that might have been done on a CS60.
He didn't use a CS80 until 1997, mainly cause imo it was Vangelis' sig sound.

The filter sweeps on Oxygene 1 could also poss be the ARP.



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Re: Arturia Moog Modular V and ARP2600 ? new [Re: Arpangel]
      #475268 - 20/06/07 08:12 PM
Quote arpangel:

When I get my new computer I'm going to get the TimeWARP2600, I think it's less prone to bugs than the Arturia version, and more authentic, but its very processor hungry, and requires quite a powerful computer.

Take care,

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Hi AA
The Jarre synth freaks, who are a bit anal abouth synths JMJ used, prefer the TimeWARP2600.


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Re: Arturia Moog Modular V and ARP2600 ? new [Re: leslawrenson]
      #475290 - 20/06/07 09:06 PM
The second solo (the extended one) on Oxygene 2 also on an Arp2600 I think.


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Re: Arturia Moog Modular V and ARP2600 ? new [Re: table for two]
      #475292 - 20/06/07 09:09 PM
That Edgar Winter clip is great. About six years ago a neighbour barged his way into my house, sat me down with a beer and made me watch a DVD. Of just that. Fantastic. I didn't realise until then that he is brother to Johnny Winter, of 'New York New York' fame. And no, not the Frank song, you toad!


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Re: Arturia Moog Modular V and ARP2600 ? new [Re: Arpangel]
      #475294 - 20/06/07 09:11 PM
T4Two, you definately need to get out more, mate! Or listen to more Vince Clarke stuff.

Just kidding.

I'd never really been into JMJ, but you are slowing convincing me I should give him a retrospective glance. Not just for the Arp2600 sounds, but also for the Elka.


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Re: Arturia Moog Modular V and ARP2600 ? new [Re: Arpangel]
      #475296 - 20/06/07 09:13 PM
Speaking of Vangelis anyone remeber the scene in Chariots where they run round a courtyard?..... It wasn't Oxford

I think the Floyd used the Arp on The Dark side of the moon album....

Which the sound I wanted is said by Arturia to be in Analog Factory, but it aint!! Grrrrr

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Re: Arturia Moog Modular V and ARP2600 ? new [Re: leslawrenson]
      #475298 - 20/06/07 09:19 PM


Les, JMJ's done a lot of cheese of late but his early stuff is imo simlpistic elegance, beauty.

There's stuff on various EM albums by various artists in the 90's and nowadays
which are imo just progression of JMJ did in 1976,79, 1981, 1984.

He should have stopped after 1990's Waiting for Cousteau,
the 46min title track being imo a superb minimalist piano ambient piece.

Or he should have taken a raincheck.

Instead he got sucked in by what other were doing, when he should have just concetrated on what he does.

I definately rate Vince C.


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Re: Arturia Moog Modular V and ARP2600 ? new [Re: Sounds-and-images]
      #475299 - 20/06/07 09:20 PM
Quote Simon Fielder:

Speaking of Vangelis anyone remeber the scene in Chariots where they run round a courtyard?..... It wasn't Oxford







Here is an utterly useless bit of trivia for you.

The college that the two run around in Chariots is, I think, Trinity 1st court, Cambridge. It's that or John's.

One of the runners (I can't remember which one) studied at Caius College, but Caius would not let them film there, so they used Trinity Hall, opposite, instead.

I was at Trinity Hall in the mid-eighties. My best mate (a non-musician, and something of a libertine) was at Caius at the same time as me, although we met much later, and in the North East of England. Small world, eh!

He was the one who told me that Caius wouldn't let the film crew into the College, but I always maintain that they chose Tit Hall because it looks prettier. It's our private quarrel.

Well... I did tell you it was trivial!


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Re: Arturia Moog Modular V and ARP2600 ? new [Re: table for two]
      #475301 - 20/06/07 09:28 PM
Quote table for two:



I definately rate Vince C.




Me, too!

I bought Yazoo's two albums when they first came out, and recently I've bought the great hits cd (which is just a double album of those two albums).

You talk about JMJ's minimalism, but VC was just superb at that sort of stuff. Simply genius! And I do not use that word lightly, ever!


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Re: Arturia Moog Modular V and ARP2600 ? new [Re: Sounds-and-images]
      #475302 - 20/06/07 09:31 PM
Quote Simon Fielder:

I think the Floyd used the Arp on The Dark side of the moon album....



It was an EMS VCS3:



JMJ also uses one.

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Re: Arturia Moog Modular V and ARP2600 ? new [Re: hollowsun]
      #475306 - 20/06/07 09:42 PM
Quote hollowsun:

It was an EMS VCS3



In fact, here they are with it:



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Re: Arturia Moog Modular V and ARP2600 ? new [Re: hollowsun]
      #475310 - 20/06/07 09:45 PM
Well ... if it wasn't for The Floyd, Tangerine Dream would be making poor rock electro music in the 70's.

Wait ... they are doing it now ... just to balance out all their excellence of the 70's.


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Re: Arturia Moog Modular V and ARP2600 ? new [Re: hollowsun]
      #475312 - 20/06/07 09:53 PM
Quote hollowsun:

Quote Stoney:

Sounds cool. I may have to check it out..... Do you know any examples of songs that use the ARP?



Loads of early Stevie Wonder stuff, Herbie Hancock, George Duke. And there's THIS

Dunno any that use the s/w version though




I love it! Thanks!


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Re: Arturia Moog Modular V and ARP2600 ? new [Re: hollowsun]
      #475394 - 21/06/07 06:44 AM
Good grief, finally managed to watch it, Jesus, was it really that bad ? I used to listen to this stuff ! Every f*****g cliche in the book with extra topping ! What I would call a very "pedestrian" use of the snthesiser these days, but very entertaining none-the-less, and I freaked out to it many a time.....

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Re: Arturia Moog Modular V and ARP2600 ? new [Re: hollowsun]
      #475396 - 21/06/07 06:53 AM
Hollow Sun, I bought my first VCS3 in 1976, with the DK2 keyboard and a whole bunch of "Presto-Patches" cost me £500 from Kennards Music in Canterbury.........sigh.......
Getting back to the 2600, Brian Eno did some great work with it, especially "On Land"

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Re: Arturia Moog Modular V and ARP2600 ? new [Re: Arpangel]
      #475402 - 21/06/07 07:16 AM
RE...ARP2600....I've suddenly had an uncontrollable rush (could be the coffee) I want one, and I want it now...otherwise I'll scream an scream and scream and jump up and down uncontrollably and wet my pants.



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Re: Arturia Moog Modular V and ARP2600 ? new [Re: Arpangel]
      #475414 - 21/06/07 07:57 AM
At first, I thought your ARPAngel was because of the ARP.

Haven't seen one (2600 or 2500) in RL Music recently.


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Re: Arturia Moog Modular V and ARP2600 ? new [Re: table for two]
      #475422 - 21/06/07 08:06 AM
TFT, their was one on Ebay recently, but as usual, it was pretty rough, they are a bit dodgy, as some of the circuits are encapsulated in resin, to stop people finding out whats inside ! so when they need servicing its a real, er, pain, to say the least. Plus, some people muck about with them, and modify them in all sorts of daft ways, so I'll be lucky to find a good one at an affordable price. I was offered an orange one 7 years ago, but turned it down, typical, it was immaculate in every way, and was only a £1000 quid, should have bought it.

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Re: Arturia Moog Modular V and ARP2600 ? new [Re: leslawrenson]
      #475439 - 21/06/07 08:21 AM
Quote leslawrenson:

Quote Simon Fielder:

Speaking of Vangelis anyone remeber the scene in Chariots where they run round a courtyard?..... It wasn't Oxford







Here is an utterly useless bit of trivia for you.

The college that the two run around in Chariots is, I think, Trinity 1st court, Cambridge. It's that or John's.

One of the runners (I can't remember which one) studied at Caius College, but Caius would not let them film there, so they used Trinity Hall, opposite, instead.

I was at Trinity Hall in the mid-eighties. My best mate (a non-musician, and something of a libertine) was at Caius at the same time as me, although we met much later, and in the North East of England. Small world, eh!

He was the one who told me that Caius wouldn't let the film crew into the College, but I always maintain that they chose Tit Hall because it looks prettier. It's our private quarrel.

Well... I did tell you it was trivial!




The courtyard scene that I am on about is actually...................... Eton!

Though I know that cambridge was also used for some of the filming.

It is a bit like Midsomer Murders.. a scene recently was supposed to Oxford station, but was infact Slough station!

These locations that arent what they claim to be really stand out if you know the areas........

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Re: Arturia Moog Modular V and ARP2600 ? new [Re: Arpangel]
      #475443 - 21/06/07 08:24 AM
Quote arpangel:

RE...ARP2600....I've suddenly had an uncontrollable rush (could be the coffee) I want one, and I want it now...otherwise I'll scream an scream and scream and jump up and down uncontrollably and wet my pants.






Tone

It is a great beast.

I sold one of two I own and I can never stop going back to it.
The patching is semi-modular so much easier to use than full modular systems.

I have a System 100 (all modules) and between the two I get all the mad ass sounds I need.

A Synthi AKS or VCS3 would be a great addition but I rarely see them for sale and when they do come up they are top money.

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Re: Arturia Moog Modular V and ARP2600 ? new [Re: hollowsun]
      #475447 - 21/06/07 08:29 AM
Quote hollowsun:

Quote Simon Fielder:

I think the Floyd used the Arp on The Dark side of the moon album....



It was an EMS VCS3:



JMJ also uses one.




According to Arturias website ( I just checked again) it is not the ARP 2600 that has the sound it is the Moog Modular.

http://www.arturia.com/evolution/en/products/moogmodularv/intro.html
The sound is called On the run, and is listed as being in Analog Factory but is not!

That VCS looks nice though.........

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Re: Arturia Moog Modular V and ARP2600 ? new [Re: Arpangel]
      #475449 - 21/06/07 08:31 AM
From a documentary I saw on Floyd awhile ago, the Synth I am thinking of is not a VCS...

The guy in the programme played five notes and then sped them up to get the sound that I posted above...

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Re: Arturia Moog Modular V and ARP2600 ? new [Re: Sounds-and-images]
      #475872 - 21/06/07 06:26 PM
I think you have to keep all of this in perspective. A lot of these old synth's were very good at just one or two great sounds, but worth having for those alone, it all depends on your priorities, and the size of your wallet.
I wouldn't, say, go out and buy an AKS or a VCS3 for instance, not now, as my computer with all of it's software does all of that and goes way beyond. But sometimes an instrument comes out that is truly inspiring, like a Steinway piano or a classic instrument of any kind, it just has a magic about it, the ARP2600 is that instrument for me. It will be something different for others of course, but that's my love. I could quite happily be locked in a room for the rest of my life and be happy composing my music with just an ARP2600

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Re: Arturia Moog Modular V and ARP2600 ? new [Re: Arpangel]
      #476089 - 22/06/07 07:36 AM
Quote arpangel:

I think you have to keep all of this in perspective. A lot of these old synth's were very good at just one or two great sounds, but worth having for those alone, it all depends on your priorities, and the size of your wallet.
I wouldn't, say, go out and buy an AKS or a VCS3 for instance, not now,




True.

Even JMJ stopped using VCS3's on his albums after Oxygene & Equinoxe.
except for Oxygene 7-13 (1997).

It would have been overkill to use it on all his albums.

I personally don't have use for its laser, space, warble effects.


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Re: Arturia Moog Modular V and ARP2600 ? new [Re: table for two]
      #476280 - 22/06/07 12:23 PM
TFT, my Arturia ARP2600 is good, it's got most of the sound there, OK, so its not 100%, but, unlike the original, if I want to flip it into poly mode I can ! and I can midi it to my DX7 etc. Plus, no hefty servicing bills. But I would till like an original, and it's limitations wouldn't be an issue.

Now, when I meet this rich divorcee..........a couple of other things to put on the shopping list, a Buchla 200e, and a Steinway Model D Concert Grand, thats all, I'm easily satisfied

Take care,

Tony.


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