Hey,

Awsome forum You probably get this alot here...but I need to know how to remove one of the two, vocals, or background music. The reason being is i'm trying to mash two songs together. Vocals I know is pretty much impossible to remove completly, but i've never tried background music.

Thanks for any and all help ^_^

If the songs aren't still in a multi-track platform - seems like a mission impossible there.

What do you mean by already multi track?

aka the backing music (and vocals) are still on seperate tracks on a "mutli-track" system (e.g. Cubase or a portastudio etc). If your songs are on CD's (or similar mixed-down media)...you can't seperate them.

I think this is technically possible.

get two bits of the track, one a verse with the vocals and one a verse without the vocals.

play them together at exactly the same time but invert one of them.

this should cancel out any similar frequencies but leave those unfamiliar - ie the vocals.

I've never tried it but it should work in theory.

But then, so should fusion, communism, the NHS, me on Monday mornings, flat-pack furniture, PC's

Good luck



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A mate of mine got into mash-ups a while back, and in some situations he managed to fly in the track with the vocal on it, beat match to the backing track, and then put fader automation in around every word of the vocal so there was no backing track in between, and then EQ'd tight notches out of it to get rid of the more prominent elements of unwanted backing tracks. Provided the backing track you're over the top of has plenty going on, it sounded OK on the few examples I heard. Remember - limitation spurs creativity - see what you can do with pure fudge!

So far I havn't found any tutorials on mashing (or anything for that matter). action711 i'm having a hard time understanding what your talking about. If you could explain how to do what your saying here, or IM me at SpitfireLighterX that'd be great. As far as audio editing goes i'm a n00b. Any tutorials you think will help also please post a link. Thanks

Ask him...





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Jack of all trades, master of some.

...ok. Lil' robot thing, how do I cut up and edit two or more songs together?

ok, I'm gonna try and mash it up today and I'll post my results.

I don't understand your IM address either, who hosts it?

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now i don't want to upset anyone or be rude or anything but it seems to me that you're attempting something technically difficult if not impossible, WiReDx, with little or next to no audio editing knowledge whatsoever.

now i have no idea how these 'mash-ups' are created but i would guess that the 'pro' ones you hear on mtv and the radio etc. are created with the extensive use of copies of the multitrack originals (separate instruments on separate tracks) or at the very least unreleased instrumental versions or something...something that captain-bedroom-studio would not have access to.
obviously it all started 'underground' with various people using the original singles etc. but i would hazard a guess that they started with significantly more audio-app aware knowledge than our friend here...

by all means attempt it if you genuinely have a creative idea of 2 records that you think would sound excellent together but part of the process of learning is trying to work stuff out for yourself. asking people on an internet forum how to do basic tasks such as editing audio strikes me as somewhat lazy...

this forum and it's real-life magazine is an absolute gem of knowledge so if you do want to learn, then you have at least come to the right place.

please don't be offended. rant over.
i'll go now.

s.e.

Mr. WiReDx

I believe this might be of interest to you in your quest for mashing enlightnement:

Mashing For Beginners

The tutorial is biased towards using Tracktion, but the principles can be applied to other DAWS and you can always get a copy of the time limited Tracktion demo to try out your mashing technique if you need . . .

Bon appetit,

Dr. Bing Klazeby

If the vox are recorded in mono, you might be able to get away with the old phase flip thing. If you switch the phase of one of the channels, and mix down to mono, this will effectively remove the sound panned to the centre. Then its just a case of flipping this signal and mixing it with the original.

My IM client is AOL. I tried reversing phases, and didn't get the effect I wanted. That Tracktion program worked well though, thanks for the link. I recently got extremly busy with a video editing project i'm doing and probably wont have time for this for awhile. Thanks for the advice and time, i'll hit on audio editing later

check for for acapellas : http://www.acapellas4u.co.uk/forum/

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A mate of mine is into mash ups. You should check out some the tracks on his site http://www.mash-ups.co.uk There are also a few links to other sites that might help you out.

To answer your question, I know he's spoken to me about using a number of different applications like Acid and Soundforge and spend a lot of time cleaning up samples and pitchshifting/time stretching. I'll be speaking to him later this week and will quizz him again.

Cheers,

Mike