Ruste
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Using saffire mic pre's for live sound while recording
#683149 - 29/11/08 03:44 PM
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Hi guys. Just a quick question. Im recording a gig soon in a biggish club & helping
with the live sound. The guy who is doing the sound has a behringer mixer  ( so rather
than patching all the mic's from the stage with a jack to jack loom from the
behringermixer i was wondering if i could run the stage mics into my saffire pro 26 then
patch them from the jack outs of my the saffire pro 26 to the behringer mixer leaving me
with better sounding recording becuase of using my pre's. I have read through
my maunual (may have missed something though) & can't seem to see a way of doing this
without going in & coming out of cubase sx3 which clearly will have latency. Im sure
you can do this in a stand alone mode Im thinking that maybe i propably can't
do this while recording into cubase but thought as a last resort i would post here in hope
of a answer... Cheers Russ
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James Perrett
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Re: Using saffire mic pre's for live sound while recording
[Re: Ruste]
#683170 - 29/11/08 05:49 PM
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Provided that the guy running the PA knows how to set the gains correctly, the sound
coming from the Behringer should be adequate. Yes, the Focusrite will probably be very
slightly better but the hassle involved in running things through Cubase will be something
that you want to avoid when working under pressure in a live situation. And you certainly
don't want to have to contend with the Focusrite's dodgy software going down in the middle
of the gig (I fired my Saffire up to check the routing options just now and it caused my
external DVD burner to stop working in the middle of a burn  ). Cheers James.
-------------------- JRP Music - Audio Mastering and Restoration.
http://www.jrpmusic.net
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seablade
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Re: Using saffire mic pre's for live sound while recording
[Re: James Perrett]
#683179 - 29/11/08 06:32 PM
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I thought the focusrite had a built in DSP mixer? If you use that you should be fine.
There will be some latency from additional AD/DA steps yes, but fairly minimal in all
liklihood and should be listed in the manual for it.
Seablade
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grab
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Re: Using saffire mic pre's for live sound while recording
[Re: Ruste]
#683245 - 30/11/08 01:21 AM
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You can definitely do it in standalone mode - make sure you've selected "tracking mode"
the Saffire connected to the PC, then unplug. You can power off in between if you want,
because the Saffire stores your setting for this.
But you definitely *can't* do
it if you've got a PC connected. One of the things that really annoyed me when I first
got my Saffire Pro 26 was finding that it could be a preamp *or* a recording interface,
but not both at the same time. Ah well, at least it sound good.
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Ruste
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Re: Using saffire mic pre's for live sound while recording
[Re: Ruste]
#683275 - 30/11/08 10:33 AM
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Thanks guys. Looks like i will be just using a jack loom from the behringer then. Ah well
was a nice idea  Im sure it will still sound pretty good. Ive just never heard good things
about behringer mixers.. although i have a ada8000 8 mic pre running with my saffire pro
26 & that sounds fine.. But think they might have superior mic pre's
Thanks again
Russ
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SevenIndustries
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Re: Using saffire mic pre's for live sound while recording
[Re: Ruste]
#683301 - 30/11/08 12:27 PM
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Just ensure you're monitoring the gain levels ... I've done a fair few live recordings, in
various ways.
The easiest is direct outs, the next is grouped - and the third
is a hybrid.
But with all of them, the gain level needs to be watched!
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Mac user; Logic and ProTools systems.
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dmills
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Re: Using saffire mic pre's for live sound while recording
[Re: Ruste]
#683334 - 30/11/08 02:51 PM
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How so?
That desk probably wont manage more then about +24dbu at the outputs
(and probably much less), so just set your recorder to clip at +26, set it running and get
on with the gig.
If you set things up right you shouldn't even have to think
about the recorder while mixing the gig.
Some things will be peaking at
-20dbFS or so, but that's fine, I don't see a problem with that.
Regards, Dan.
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Audiophiles use phono leads because they are unbalanced people!
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Nathan
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Re: Using saffire mic pre's for live sound while recording
[Re: dmills]
#683520 - 01/12/08 03:53 AM
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i do this sort of thing regularly, and I'd just Y-split the mic inputs coming from stage
so that the SE's Behringer mixer and your Saffire are receiving the same signal. just
decide which device provides any phantom power required.
No need to run the
signal through one and then into the other, just split it. If you don't know any local
engineers who'll lend you the Y-splits, PM me and I'll see if I can help.
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planet nine
lincoln, uk.
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Ruste
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Re: Using saffire mic pre's for live sound while recording
[Re: Nathan]
#684030 - 02/12/08 10:54 AM
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Thanks nathan. I know this would be the best way. Ive only got 3 splitter boxes i could
use & don't really want to hire or buy anything right now as there is not much money
in this recording although i will invest in a whole load of these very soon http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Professional-XLR-Female-2-x-XLR-Male-Splitter-1-5m_W
0QQitemZ200258665783QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Computing_CablesConnectors_RL?hash=item200258665
783&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1298|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318<
br /> Does anybody know a 8 or 16 mic splitter snake box or somthing a bit tidyer
than having loads of these all laying around For now i will probably just use a jack to
jack loom & patch from the behringer. I might possibly use my 3 splitter boxes on the
sm58 vocal mic's to get a better sound... Thanks all. Russ
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James Perrett
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Re: Using saffire mic pre's for live sound while recording
[Re: Ruste]
#684428 - 03/12/08 12:27 PM
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ART do an 8 way transformer isolated splitter which looks like it should be good value for
money. EMO make a more expensive version which work well in my experience. I've
modified my multicore to add 16 additional tails to the stage box which allowes me to use
two desks with a simple Y splits. Cheers James.
-------------------- JRP Music - Audio Mastering and Restoration.
http://www.jrpmusic.net
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Nathan
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Re: Using saffire mic pre's for live sound while recording
[Re: James Perrett]
#684644 - 03/12/08 08:50 PM
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i use Canford FST cable and neutrik XLR connectors to make 18inch long passive y-split
cables. very useful for all sorts of jobs, inc driving several racks from one x-over,
stealing a raw feed loom for multitrack recording, splitting vocals into separate FOH and
monitor channels when mixing monitors from FOH....
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planet nine
lincoln, uk.
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