ruffrecords
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Louder Mix without Losing Dynamics
#813499 - 20/02/10 09:43 PM
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The latest SOS mag. has a short piece about a new plug-in that offers an increase in
loudness without sacrificing the dynamics of the music. I have recently been trying a
simple DIY method of achieving this that seems to work pretty well.
First I
normalise the final stereo mix. If the music has real dynamics you will find that it peaks
at 0dB FS only a few times during the track (typically 6 or so times). I go through and
find each one of these peaks and cut the peak sample and a couple or so on either side. I
have found removing half a dozen samples is inaudible but reduces the peaks by typically
2dB. Having done this for all the peaks I normalise again. Now you find it reaches 0dB FS
a few more times - 10 to 12 is typical. Repeat the process of removing the peaks and
samples either side of it and again you typically get a 2dB reduction. After normalising
once more the song is 4dB louder but has the majority of its dynamics intact.
Cheers
Ian
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The Elf
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Re: Louder Mix without Losing Dynamics
[Re: ruffrecords]
#813505 - 20/02/10 10:04 PM
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I'm struggling to see how this is different to using a simple limiter.
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oggyb
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Re: Louder Mix without Losing Dynamics
[Re: The Elf]
#813516 - 20/02/10 11:24 PM
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Well, it wouldn't be, if you had a limiter that responded to peaks of 3 samples. Most of us don't.
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Hugh Robjohns
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Re: Louder Mix without Losing Dynamics
[Re: ruffrecords]
#813588 - 21/02/10 02:41 PM
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Exactly so -- he's doing the work of a ultra-fast transmission limiter. Look-ahead
software limiters should be able to achieve the same thing.
Hugh
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The_Big_Piano_Player
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Re: Louder Mix without Losing Dynamics
[Re: ruffrecords]
#813666 - 21/02/10 07:29 PM
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I remember going doing the same thing 15 years ago when I first got cool edit, and
thinking to myself... "I wish there was a way of doing this automatically".
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The Elf
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Re: Louder Mix without Losing Dynamics
[Re: oggyb]
#813677 - 21/02/10 08:21 PM
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There are so many look-ahead limiters available - free ones, in fact.
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ruffrecords
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Re: Louder Mix without Losing Dynamics
[Re: The Elf]
#815694 - 01/03/10 12:06 PM
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One thing I forgot to mention is I do not use a computer for recording/editing etc. A fast
look ahead software limiter is therefore not an option for me.
Cheers
Ian
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johnny h
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Re: Louder Mix without Losing Dynamics
[Re: ruffrecords]
#815696 - 01/03/10 12:11 PM
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Quote ruffrecords:
One thing I
forgot to mention is I do not use a computer for recording/editing etc. A fast look ahead
software limiter is therefore not an option for me.
Cheers
Ian
Perhaps its time to invest in a
computer then.
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Korff
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Re: Louder Mix without Losing Dynamics
[Re: ruffrecords]
#815698 - 01/03/10 12:13 PM
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Then how do you normalize and trim the samples!?
You can achieve look-ahead
limiting in hardware land quite easily — just mult the mix and send one of the stereo
mults through a transparent delay unit (zero feedback, 100 percent wet), and the output of
that into a compressor. Feed the compressor's side-chain input with the non-delayed mult,
and Bob's your uncle. Tweak the delay time to suit.
Cheers!
Chris
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