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ruffrecords



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Louder Mix without Losing Dynamics new
      #813499 - 20/02/10 09:43 PM
The latest SOS mag. has a short piece about a new plug-in that offers an increase in loudness without sacrificing the dynamics of the music.
I have recently been trying a simple DIY method of achieving this that seems to work pretty well.

First I normalise the final stereo mix. If the music has real dynamics you will find that it peaks at 0dB FS only a few times during the track (typically 6 or so times). I go through and find each one of these peaks and cut the peak sample and a couple or so on either side. I have found removing half a dozen samples is inaudible but reduces the peaks by typically 2dB. Having done this for all the peaks I normalise again. Now you find it reaches 0dB FS a few more times - 10 to 12 is typical. Repeat the process of removing the peaks and samples either side of it and again you typically get a 2dB reduction. After normalising once more the song is 4dB louder but has the majority of its dynamics intact.

Cheers

Ian


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Re: Louder Mix without Losing Dynamics new [Re: ruffrecords]
      #813505 - 20/02/10 10:04 PM
I'm struggling to see how this is different to using a simple limiter.

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Re: Louder Mix without Losing Dynamics new [Re: The Elf]
      #813516 - 20/02/10 11:24 PM
Well, it wouldn't be, if you had a limiter that responded to peaks of 3 samples.

Most of us don't.

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Re: Louder Mix without Losing Dynamics new [Re: ruffrecords]
      #813588 - 21/02/10 02:41 PM
Exactly so -- he's doing the work of a ultra-fast transmission limiter. Look-ahead software limiters should be able to achieve the same thing.

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Re: Louder Mix without Losing Dynamics new [Re: ruffrecords]
      #813666 - 21/02/10 07:29 PM
I remember going doing the same thing 15 years ago when I first got cool edit, and thinking to myself... "I wish there was a way of doing this automatically".

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Re: Louder Mix without Losing Dynamics new [Re: oggyb]
      #813677 - 21/02/10 08:21 PM
There are so many look-ahead limiters available - free ones, in fact.

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Re: Louder Mix without Losing Dynamics new [Re: The Elf]
      #815694 - 01/03/10 12:06 PM
One thing I forgot to mention is I do not use a computer for recording/editing etc. A fast look ahead software limiter is therefore not an option for me.

Cheers

Ian


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Re: Louder Mix without Losing Dynamics new [Re: ruffrecords]
      #815696 - 01/03/10 12:11 PM
Quote ruffrecords:

One thing I forgot to mention is I do not use a computer for recording/editing etc. A fast look ahead software limiter is therefore not an option for me.

Cheers

Ian




Perhaps its time to invest in a computer then.


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Re: Louder Mix without Losing Dynamics [Re: ruffrecords]
      #815698 - 01/03/10 12:13 PM
Then how do you normalize and trim the samples!?

You can achieve look-ahead limiting in hardware land quite easily — just mult the mix and send one of the stereo mults through a transparent delay unit (zero feedback, 100 percent wet), and the output of that into a compressor. Feed the compressor's side-chain input with the non-delayed mult, and Bob's your uncle. Tweak the delay time to suit.

Cheers!

Chris


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