The Elf
active member
Joined: 14/08/01
Posts: 8141
Loc: Sheffield, UK
|
Steven Slate Drums EX - where are the wav/gog files?
#815955 - 02/03/10 11:12 AM
|
|
|
I couldn’t resist the ‘No Brainer’ deal for the Steven Slate Drums EX. I
have a question, but the vendors aren’t responding. Can anyone here help? I’ve installed the package, apart from Kontakt Player, since I have Kontakt 3
installed already. Everything seems to work fine; I can see the SSD library and I can load
and use the kits. But I wonder if I’ve misunderstood something about the
contents of the package. I can’t get at the underlying WAV files (the data seems to be
hidden in a couple of huge Kontakt library files) and there are no GOG files at all (for
use with Drumagog). I’m restricted to using the sounds in Kontakt, hence triggering from
Drumagog’s MIDI output, which gives me less than stellar timing. This is a bit
restrictive for my needs. Have I found the reason why this package was only 20
dollars? 
-------------------- An Eagle for an Emperor, A Kestrel for a Knave.
|
JamesSimpson
Joined: 24/12/05
Posts: 1064
|
Re: Steven Slate Drums EX - where are the wav/gog files?
[Re: The Elf]
#815966 - 02/03/10 11:35 AM
|
|
|
Quote The Elf:
Have I found the reason why this package was only 20 dollars?
Yup, sorry to say, there was some
stuff about this all over the SSD forums, gearslutz and others. I think it said it on the
"no brainer" deal page aswell.
--------------------
Squarehead Jam Jar Facebook Jam Jar
|
The Elf
active member
Joined: 14/08/01
Posts: 8141
Loc: Sheffield, UK
|
Re: Steven Slate Drums EX - where are the wav/gog files?
[Re: The Elf]
#815971 - 02/03/10 11:47 AM
|
|
|
OK, thanks for that. I’ve no complaints for the price. They sound very good indeed.
I thought I'd read the description carefully, but it was obviously what *wasn't*
there that was the important part to read! 
-------------------- An Eagle for an Emperor, A Kestrel for a Knave.
|
Spangler
Joined: 21/01/05
Posts: 319
Loc: Newcastle
|
Re: Steven Slate Drums EX - where are the wav/gog files?
[Re: The Elf]
#815973 - 02/03/10 11:48 AM
|
|
|
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3993997Apparently you can contact Steven Slate support to get link to the wavs.
-------------------- clicky
|
The Elf
active member
Joined: 14/08/01
Posts: 8141
Loc: Sheffield, UK
|
Re: Steven Slate Drums EX - where are the wav/gog files?
[Re: Spangler]
#815975 - 02/03/10 11:52 AM
|
|
|
|
Many thanks!!! I'll give it a try.
--------------------
An Eagle for an Emperor, A Kestrel for a Knave.
|
valjean24601
Joined: 04/07/05
Posts: 302
|
Re: Steven Slate Drums EX - where are the wav/gog files?
[Re: The Elf]
#816104 - 02/03/10 05:38 PM
|
|
|
|
Elf I'd be very interested to hear your opinion on the Slate samples. I own the premium
pack and while the samples sound really nice when you listen to them on their own, I find
that within a mix they tend to sound very slappy and small.
I tend to mix
Interpol/Pearl Jam type material so it's not as if my mix is overwhelmed with complicated
parts or layers, but I'm finding that trying to get the samples to maintain their punch
and 'largeness' is quite difficult. At times it's also quite difficult to marry the
samples to live overheads when using the gog replacements.
Just my experiences,
I'd be interested to hear what you think,
Cheers.
|
JamesSimpson
Joined: 24/12/05
Posts: 1064
|
Re: Steven Slate Drums EX - where are the wav/gog files?
[Re: The Elf]
#816122 - 02/03/10 06:57 PM
|
|
|
Try compressing the original tracks with the samples, process them together, also it might
not be a steven slate sample thing if your using drumagog, drumagog can have issues with
phase and your original files. If the new sample is out of phase with the
original part they will cancel,perhaps resulting in the thin sound you are suggesting. Try manually putting the samples in and see if that helps things.
-------------------- Squarehead Jam Jar Facebook Jam Jar
|
valjean24601
Joined: 04/07/05
Posts: 302
|
Re: Steven Slate Drums EX - where are the wav/gog files?
[Re: The Elf]
#816139 - 02/03/10 07:35 PM
|
|
|
Hi James, cheers for the reply. When I'm using the Slate samples I forgot to
mention that I don't blend them with the original, I fully replace them. That would ensure
that phase wouldn't be an issue I guess? I'll try manually adding in .wav files
of the samples and I'll also try mixing them in with the origial, just to see if that
improves things 
|
JamesSimpson
Joined: 24/12/05
Posts: 1064
|
Re: Steven Slate Drums EX - where are the wav/gog files?
[Re: valjean24601]
#816161 - 02/03/10 08:43 PM
|
|
|
Depending on how you mic your kit up, remember your overheads will get bleed of the whole
kit, including the kick snare and toms, so you could have them out of phase with your
whole kit sound! Perhaps try a different tack with drum mic'ing using your
overheads as your overall kit sound, then augmenting that with close mics/and or samples.
-------------------- Squarehead Jam Jar Facebook Jam Jar
|
The Elf
active member
Joined: 14/08/01
Posts: 8141
Loc: Sheffield, UK
|
Re: Steven Slate Drums EX - where are the wav/gog files?
[Re: Spangler]
#816199 - 02/03/10 10:54 PM
|
|
|
THANKS JAMES AND SPANGLER!! I got an email with a link to download the wav and
gog files. Happy, happy man!  Now it truly *is* a bargain!
-------------------- An Eagle for an Emperor, A Kestrel for a Knave.
|
The Elf
active member
Joined: 14/08/01
Posts: 8141
Loc: Sheffield, UK
|
Re: Steven Slate Drums EX - where are the wav/gog files?
[Re: valjean24601]
#816201 - 02/03/10 10:59 PM
|
|
|
|
I have already run off a quick'n'rough re-mix using one of the supplied kits. They sound
HUGE, which is fine by me! I will probably have to do more work taking out a bit of the
'size' than finding more, which is much more of a struggle.
Yep, I love them. I
will know more when the next rock band arrive to record, which is only a few weeks away.
--------------------
An Eagle for an Emperor, A Kestrel for a Knave.
|
JamesSimpson
Joined: 24/12/05
Posts: 1064
|
Re: Steven Slate Drums EX - where are the wav/gog files?
[Re: The Elf]
#816204 - 02/03/10 11:11 PM
|
|
|
Awesome, there's some useful stuff on "softening" up the snares, over on the SSD forums,
spl's transient designer can be great for this kind of stuff, Theres a free one
called Flux Bittersweet.
-------------------- Squarehead Jam Jar Facebook Jam Jar
|
The Elf
active member
Joined: 14/08/01
Posts: 8141
Loc: Sheffield, UK
|
Re: Steven Slate Drums EX - where are the wav/gog files?
[Re: JamesSimpson]
#816238 - 03/03/10 07:00 AM
|
|
|
Gothcha - thank, James.
But to be honest, I like these sounds as they are. If
time and money were no object, these are how my drums would always sound!
-------------------- An Eagle for an Emperor, A Kestrel for a Knave.
|
JamesSimpson
Joined: 24/12/05
Posts: 1064
|
Re: Steven Slate Drums EX - where are the wav/gog files?
[Re: The Elf]
#816307 - 03/03/10 10:47 AM
|
|
|
Haha agreed, sometimes for subtler parts though i find they can need taming.
-------------------- Squarehead Jam Jar Facebook Jam Jar
|
valjean24601
Joined: 04/07/05
Posts: 302
|
Re: Steven Slate Drums EX - where are the wav/gog files?
[Re: The Elf]
#816353 - 03/03/10 01:53 PM
|
|
|
|
Elf,
I'm just wondering are you using the gog/wav files for replacement perhaps with
drumagog, or are you somehow triggering the preset kits within Kontakt by some other
means?
|
The Elf
active member
Joined: 14/08/01
Posts: 8141
Loc: Sheffield, UK
|
Re: Steven Slate Drums EX - where are the wav/gog files?
[Re: valjean24601]
#816379 - 03/03/10 02:46 PM
|
|
|
Quote valjean24601:
I'm just
wondering are you using the gog/wav files for replacement perhaps with drumagog, or are
you somehow triggering the preset kits within Kontakt by some other means?
Both.
My own material relies
on drum patterns I create myself, usually triggering Battery from a MIDI keyboard. Kontakt
is OK, but it’s overkill for a few drum samples, and it’s a bit daunting to make a few
simple tweaks – especially since the drums are split across many Instruments in a Multi.
I find Battery much simpler in that respect, and it’s far easier to try out new samples
in there by clicking and replacing cells on the fly.
Drumagog can generate
MIDI output, but from past experience I know that it functions better with its own
internal gog files.
When I’m working with a band I sometimes have to use
sample replacement. In the case of metal bands the drummer often cannot achieve the level
of consistency that the band are hoping for. Drumagog can usually sort out the snare, but
to get that pin-sharp ‘dugga-dugga-dugga-dugga’ double-kick pattern I’ll often end
up just cutting and pasting wav files along a new kick drum track.
So, having
the choice of Kontakt, wav and gog is going to be great!
--------------------
An Eagle for an Emperor, A Kestrel for a Knave.
|
valjean24601
Joined: 04/07/05
Posts: 302
|
Re: Steven Slate Drums EX - where are the wav/gog files?
[Re: The Elf]
#816469 - 03/03/10 07:37 PM
|
|
|
|
Cheers Elf, thanks for the insight!
|
JamesSimpson
Joined: 24/12/05
Posts: 1064
|
Re: Steven Slate Drums EX - where are the wav/gog files?
[Re: The Elf]
#816475 - 03/03/10 07:52 PM
|
|
|
I just wish the Abbey Road 60s drums kontakt samples were available as seperate WAVS....
-------------------- Squarehead Jam Jar Facebook Jam Jar
|
Previous
Topics
Next
Threaded
Edit
Reply
Quote
