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Project Ukulele
#824893 - 08/04/10 01:02 AM
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Recently a friend asked me if I would help his daughter make a ukulele. And after some
discussions and planning, we agreed that rather than charging him for doing the work, he
would buy two sets of materials and I would make one for myself and help her with hers at
the same time. So, after a few weeks of planning and research, we are getting
close to finalising designs and ordering the materials. Now, while a uke isn't
a guitar, they do have a lot in common. And it should be a lot quicker to build than a
guitar. So, if the interest is here, I'd be more than happy to post a build
diary with pics. What do you all think? Andy
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#824894 - 08/04/10 01:26 AM
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If you're up for it zen. I'd love to look in -.
All the best musicians
have a Ukulele or two, i believe.
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#824909 - 08/04/10 07:24 AM
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Definitely! The uke is a fun instrument that even a numpty like me can pick up. It would
be fascinating to see one built from scratch. Mandolin next ..?
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#825191 - 09/04/10 01:19 AM
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cheers guys, looks like I'm keeping a photo diary. Construction
wise, ukes are pretty much the same as acoustics. So it should be useful to anyone
interested in building their own acoustic guitar. And it should be equally relevant to
anyone interested in a flat top mandolin too. Looks like we will be building
two Tenor Ukuleles. I've spent the last couple of weeks working on plans. Ruth found a pic
of one with a cutaway, so I've managed to scale that up into a drawing for her approval. I
am going for a standard body. Once the drawings are agreed, I'll turn them into templates
and moulds, and we'll be ordering the woods. But to wet your appetites... I've already come up with a theme and ideas for inlay for mine. So watch out for
something on some unusual inlay techniques, this will be a first for me. And as I would
have to modify other truss rods, I am considering making them from scratch. Andy
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#825512 - 10/04/10 01:52 AM
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i have read that George Harrison traveled with two ukuleles - the story goes - it
was just incase he ran he ran into someone who could also play. Ukulele duets! i cant
wait! zen - you and Ruth should make dvds.
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#825677 - 10/04/10 11:44 PM
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Isn't making the d*mned thing enough without having to learn to play it too!! Andy
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#828435 - 20/04/10 11:00 PM
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OK.. drawings approved... Moving onto the cutting list, templates,
and moulds. Woods are pretty much decided too. Andy
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#828508 - 21/04/10 09:29 AM
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Quote Stan:
i have read that
George Harrison traveled with two ukuleles - the story goes - it was just incase he ran he
ran into someone who could also play.
Or because when your plane goes down and you're stuck on a desert island, it's
better to have two paddles for your raft.
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Quote grab:
Quote Stan:
i have read that
George Harrison traveled with two ukuleles - the story goes - it was just incase he ran he
ran into someone who could also play.
Or because when your plane goes down and you're stuck on a desert island, it's
better to have two paddles for your raft.
Zen has converted me on Ukes: amongst
other things they make a great starter intrument for kids. (If you can stop your
three-year-old playing it with their feet, that is).
However, my mate left his
banjo on the back seat of the car whilst he went shopping the other day. When he came out
of the lift on his way back he could see that the glass of his rear window had been
smashed.
He ran back to his car that to find that some bugger had put another
fecking banjo on his back seat!!!
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#832200 - 10/05/10 12:58 AM
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OK... things have started moving. I've bought all the materials for the jigs,
and cut them down to size ready to cut out templates and moulds over the next couple of
days. Both instruments will be made with Hawaiian Pheasantwood backs and sides with Red
Cedar fronts. These have also been ordered from the USofA and should arrive in the next
few days. Tools are being serviced and sharpened. And I'm preparing a second
order from the USA with the neck woods, hardware, internal body woods, bindings etc. And I'll get some pics to post now things are getting interesting. With some
details of everything done up to now. Andy
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#833283 - 13/05/10 11:59 PM
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latest update... Bloody Paypal!! But excellent US Postal Service. Body woods
are in the system and due soon. Finished the jig for building joining the
fronts and backs today, pics on the way, and almost finished the templates for both
ukes. Andy
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#835886 - 26/05/10 12:24 AM
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Things are moving... I've spent the last couple of weeks building jigs and
moulds... Here they are. [image]  [/image] And a jig for jointing the fronts and backs... [image]  [/image] We
spent the afternoon preparing the backs for jointing. Using a shooting board to plane the
edges on the two halves of each back ready for jointing. Like the wood? It's Hawaiian
Pheasant Wood, and this piece is exceptionally pretty. [image]  [/image] And this
evening we joined the first back in the jig. We'll start tomorrow by joining the other
back and then go on to prepare the fronts for jointing. [image]  [/image] Andy
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#835889 - 26/05/10 12:42 AM
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Quote zenguitar:
Isn't making the
d*mned thing enough without having to learn to play it too!!
Andy
thanks zenguitar - looking great and
excellent photos to -
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#835893 - 26/05/10 12:53 AM
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Wow those cramps are pretty cool. Did you make them yourself?
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#835923 - 26/05/10 08:00 AM
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Wow, your jigs are better quality than my finished DIY jobs  Did you do anything to stop the backs from sticking to the jig ? what type of glue
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#836008 - 26/05/10 12:47 PM
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Gorgeous Zen. Fancy moving on to a lapsteel slide guitar next (I could use a week on the
south coast...)  Hewesy
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#836175 - 27/05/10 12:40 AM
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Cheers guys...
Quote Dynamic
Mike:
Wow those cramps are pretty cool. Did you make them yourself?
No, although once you have one
you can see how easy it would be to make as many as you need. They are called Klemmsia
clamps and they are a type of cam clamp. They are very popular with guitar makers for a
number of reasons, they are very light, it's possible to put them in place one handed and
then use the same hand to keep things together and free the other hand to tighten the
clamp, it can apply a lot of pressure but in a very controllable way. In the UK you can
buy them here
and StewMac have their own versions too.
Quote Jumpeyspyder:
Wow, your
jigs are better quality than my finished DIY jobs
Did you do anything to stop the backs from sticking to the jig ?
what type of
glue did you use ?
Cheers
Jumpey... If you look closely at the pic of the back jointing you can see the end of a
strip of newspaper. It lies between the jig and the glue join. I wipe the paper with
candle wax but that's not essential, some of the paper sticks anyway and you still have to
plane and scrape the surface true on the outer side and thickness from the inside. I'm
using Evostick PVA wood glue, in theory Titebond or Humbrol is marginally better as it has
less slippage when it sets. But for something this size it isn't significant.
Quote Hewesy:
Gorgeous Zen.
Fancy moving on to a lapsteel slide guitar next (I could use a week on the south coast...)
Hewesy
Cheers
Hewesy, I thought you would have finished the lapsteel by now!! And besides, it would take
longer than a week. But if you have a workshop I'm more than happy to visit with my tool
boxes as long as you feed me and take me to the pub every night
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#836177 - 27/05/10 12:53 AM
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And just so you know what it looked like when it came out of the jig...
[image]  [/image] I just
ran a scraper over the join to see how it looked. Andy
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#836197 - 27/05/10 07:29 AM
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Quote zenguitar:
Cheers Hewesy, I
thought you would have finished the lapsteel by now!! And besides, it would take longer
than a week. But if you have a workshop I'm more than happy to visit with my tool boxes as
long as you feed me and take me to the pub every night 
Andy
Sadly not mate,
woodworking course ended and the summer beckons!
I might just get back to you
later in the year though, I'm sure something could be arranged (the Sunn needs a new nut
too..!).
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#836454 - 28/05/10 12:07 AM
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I might just take you up on that Hewesy, although I'm sure the Sun runs on hydrogen, not
nuts!! Meanwhile.... Now both backs are jointed, we are working on
the fronts. [image]  [/image] This
is the first one after planing the jointing edge. A nice piece of Western Red Cedar. And
it smells wonderful when you plane it 
[image]  [/image] And
here it is in the joining jig. Notice how I am using one of my planes for clamping? The
two halves are very different thickness, so I clamped the plane there to control the
thinner side across the full length of the join. Not essential, but it does ensure that we
can minimise the amount of wood work on the 'good' side to maximise the bookmatch. We already made a start on the sides, here's Ruth working on the 1st.
[image]  [/image] She's planing
the good side to remove the sawing marks. Once it's true we'll flip it over and thickness
from the inside. Andy
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#836692 - 29/05/10 01:07 AM
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A shorter day today. Took the first back out of the jig and cleaned up the glue
line. Then jointed the second front and clamped it in the jig overnight. The
Pheasant Wood has been generally pretty good to work, but it is hard on cutting tools and
can tear out even when using a toothed blade. So this afternoon I used a cabinet scraper
to clean up the good faces of one set of sides which worked nicely and solved the tear out
problem. So now we have several days of thicknessing ahead after making a start
today. [image]  [/image] You
can see Ruth measuring with a dial calliper which can comfortably work to 1/20th of a mm.
The side is divided into a grid with chalk lines and the thickness is measured in the
centre of each block. And the measurement is chalked in the block so that once it's
completed you can look over the entire piece and spot which areas are highest. Then its a
simple matter of setting the plane to a fine cut and planing off the highest numbers, then
the next highest PLUS the area you planed before, and so on. For the first few stages you
avoid the lowest areas completely. Then you get the chalk out again, draw a new grid, and
start the process once more. I prefer drawing the grid freehand and with little attention
to accuracy. That ensures that you are taking measurements across the whole area rather
than concentrating on a single grid. In the photo you can see we divided the side into
three strips lengthways, for the next stage we divided it into four strips, but with
longer sections. Andy
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#837212 - 01/06/10 11:26 AM
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Simply amazing. Can't wait to see it Zen.
Young Ruth looks like a natural too,
good to see she's getting into it.
Quite a USP, "guitar for girls, by
girls..."
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#837426 - 01/06/10 11:47 PM
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Cheers Hewsey, I've spent the last 2 days thicknessing sides. Yesterdays pair
went fine, but today's had awful tear out so I spent most of the day working with a
cabinet scraper. However, all four sides are now down to 2mm max, with a couple dipping
down to 1.9/1.95. When it comes to bending them, I'll probably take them down to 1.7mm in
some areas first. But before then, there are two backs and 2 fronts to thickness too. Meanwhile, the rest of the materials have been ordered and should be here by the
end of the week. So it'll be on to preparing neck blanks, truss rods, fretboards, braces,
bindings and inlays etc. Andy
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#838163 - 05/06/10 12:49 AM
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Had a few days thicknessing the backs. Finished the first this afternoon, down to around
1.65mm, thick and made good headway with the second one. And the courier
delivery arrived at Stanstead this afternoon. So not long to wait. Meanwhile,
more planing tomorrow, and more aches and pains tomorrow evening. At least I get an excuse
to go to the pub !! More pics when something interesting happens. Andy
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#838164 - 05/06/10 12:53 AM
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Dear zenguitar, why dont you use a sander, like a floor sander, for thicknessing?
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#838291 - 06/06/10 01:24 AM
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Quote Stan:
Dear zenguitar, why
dont you use a sander, like a floor sander, for thicknessing?
A couple of reasons.
The main
reason is that sanding furs up the ends of the wood fibres, whereas planing and scraping
cuts them cleanly. Where the surface has to be joined (like joining the sides to the front
and back) you get a far better glue joint. The dust that sanding produces gets into the
grain and compromises the strength considerably. And the furred fibres don't take the
final finish as well.
And the other reason is that mechanical sanders just
aren't that accurate. I've been working to 1/20th of a mm, you just can't do that with a
sander. On mass produced instruments sanding is the default because of the sheer time
required for thicknessing by hand, even with cheap Chinese labour it isn't cost effective.
But when you are making by hand, you have to put in extra hours so there is no point in
compromising on materials. And getting those details right gets the very best out of the
woods.
Now, this a project with a friend, not a commercial job. But if I was
running a commercial workshop I would compromise. I'd use a mechanical sander to shift the
bulk of the material, and then finish off with the plane and scraper to have the maximum
control and best finish.
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#839110 - 09/06/10 11:55 PM
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Deep Joy.. I received a parcel from Luthier's Mercantile International on
Monday. Full of woods and bits... Mmmmm So, the main thicknessing of fronts,
backs, and sides is finished. I spent yesterday afternoon largely bewildered, making sure
I had all the bits I ordered and then worrying in case I'd made any mistakes. But all was
fine and well, so I got on with making some jigs last night and this afternoon. Here's a
pic.. [image]  [/image] Both
ukes will have a Mother of Pearl (MoP) ring bounded with wood purflings for a soundhole
rosette. And as both soundholes are going to be different sizes I had to knock up one for
each. The package from LMI had a 1oz pack of 0.050" white MoP slab. So I'll need to cut a
number of segments for each radius to make up each MoP ring. I'll be rough cutting them by
hand, but once that's done I'll need to use the other jigs I'm working on to get the
inside and outside curves good. Once that's done, I need to make perfect butt joints so
that the segments can be joined invisibly. So what you can see in the pic are the 2 jigs
where I've cut and hand routed channels to seat the pearl sections, a final step will be
to cut a slot through the groove where I can accurately run a file to finish the ends of
the pearl strips so they mate perfectly. The big thing with a screw through the middle is
a fly cutter that I modified a few years ago, replacing the cutter with a holder for a #15
scalpel blade. I did consider making a circle cutter for my Dremel router base, but on
balance I decided not to. The modified fly cutter is very accurate and makes a much neater
cut than the best downcut router bits. So, once I made the cuts with the fly cutter, I
used my baby router plane to clean out the slots. Yes, before power routers we used router
planes to cut slots, grooves, and cavities. You'll be seeing both again when we
inlay the rosettes into the fronts soon. And after finishing those, I started
preparing a neck blank and cut off the end section to make the headstock. I'll grab some
pics tomorrow so you can see what's involved. Andy
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#839362 - 11/06/10 12:44 AM
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Starting from where I left off, I promised some pics of the preparation of the 1st neck
blank. Here goes.. [image]  [/image] This shows both
neck blanks side by side, Peruvian Walnut from Luthier's Mercantile. On the left, the
blank as received, and on the right the other one with then end cut ready for flipping
over to make the headstock. [image]  [/image] And this shows
the end flipped over so you can get a clear idea of where it goes. Just needs to be glued,
like this... [image]  [/image] Don't you
just love all those clamps? I'll grab a pic tomorrow when they're removed so you can see
clearer. And then while that was sitting around waiting for the glue to dry, I
made a start on the first back stripe. So it was out with one of the Dremel's and the
router base, a test piece to take some measurements, and then laying out the straight edge
to rout along. [image]  [/image] And then
moving the straight edge to widen the channel to take the inlay. [image]  [/image] The back
is about 1.7mm thick, and I routed the channel just over 0.8mm deep. If you want a closer
look at the channel, here it is.. [image]  [/image] The
channel is about 3mm wide. The strip to fill it is made up of 5 strips of 0.6mm coloured
veneer. Once it was all prepared I did consider dropping in the individual strips in one
go. But eventually, I thought better of it and glued the strips together into a single
piece. Tomorrow I'll tidy it up and flatten one edge to sit in the bottom of the routed
channel. If the fit is loose, there is some maple we can use on either edge to fill the
gap neatly. Andy
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#839599 - 12/06/10 12:34 AM
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More pics... Yes, I have been getting on with more work!! Starting
with the necks, here they are again. The first neck glued and the second ready for
cutting. [image]  [/image] I've since
cut and glued the second neck blank too. And here's the first back strip ready
to be inlaid. [image]  [/image] It's also
now glued in and setting overnight. I'll plane and scrpae it back tomorrow. I
also glued up the other back strip ready for inlaying tomorrow. Andy
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#839646 - 12/06/10 12:07 PM
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This just has to be the best post ever on SOS. Thanks for all the effort that's going into
it, the photos really bring it to life. I'm getting really excited about it being finished
& it's got nothing to do with me. Actually, I think I'm getting impatient, any chance
you could work a bit faster?
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Thanks Mike  There's good news and bad news... Sunday is a day of
rest, but despite that I'm working on making templates for the headstocks. Yes, both will
have different designs. Nothing like making extra work for myself !! But today
I planed both headstocks on the neck blanks true and square, and marked out ready for
routing for the trussrods, which should be done on Monday. I routed the channel
for the second back strip. [image]  [/image] And
glued it ready for planing back on Monday. And if you want to know how the
first came out, here it is. [image]  [/image] Notice
the artistic arrangement of coloured wood shavings  And here's a close up so you can see better. [image]  [/image] It's a
detail, but it does start to make it look like an instrument instead of woodwork. Andy
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#839720 - 13/06/10 01:09 AM
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The wood grain is beautiful -
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#839830 - 13/06/10 11:17 PM
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Yes Stan, It's Hawaiian Pheasant Wood and it earned it's name because the grain
looks like the markings on a pheasant. It's fairly tough on tools though, you need to
sharpen regularly. And the markings mean that, like with any figured woods, there is
always a greater risk of tear out while you work. Andy
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Not the day I planned today.. The 2nd back strip glued in just fine, but there
is some small gapping on either side so I need to fill that. And I discovered
that I don't have a small enough router bit to cut the correct channels for the truss
rods, and that the neck blanks aren't wide enough to clamp on a decent fence. So I have to
order a 3/16" router bit. And instead of using a fence, I have to make a template so I can
use my router's template following attachment to make an accurate cut. So
instead, I made a start on cutting the pearl rings for the soundhole rosettes.
[image]  [/image] And
here I am at work. I knocked up a quick jig to support the pearl blanks and used two set's
of compasses with scribers instead of pencil lead to score the cutting lines. Then it was
out with the jeweller's saw and the sandpaper. You can see closer here.
[image]  [/image] After
scribing, I run pencil lead in the groove to see it clearer. And once it's cut out, I used
sandpaper wrapped around wooden blocks to get to final thickness. You can see the sections
I cut previously in the first pic. And a word of warning. The dust from Mother
of Pearl is an irritant. Take care not to breath it in. I hold my breath while cutting,
because I can't get on with a dust mask. And the cutting jig I use is drilled to take a
tube that I intend to connect to a vacuum if I am doing a lot of pearl cutting in
future. Andy
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Have you ever noticed that while you work hard every day, progress seems to come in big
steps? You spend a few days working with apparently little to show for it, and then you
have a day when you achieve several targets one after another. So, after a few
days with the jeweller's saw and sandpaper... yesterday I finally had cut enough MoP for
both rosettes. So today I made more progress on the necks. Step one was to cut
a 12mm wide slot in a piece of MDF so I could use the template following adaptor to run a
nice, neat, straight, slot with the 3/16" router bit in both necks, ready to accept the
truss rods. And once the jig was made, it was attached to the first neck blank
with double sided tape and the slot cut in several passes. [image]  [/image] And once
it was finished, it looked like this. [image]  [/image] And then
all that was left to do was to apply the router to the second neck blank and do it all
again, like so.... [image]  [/image] And
once that was done, there was no excuse for not cutting pieces off the ends of the neck
blanks to build up the heels. So, for once, I got on with the job in hand and it wasn't
long before I had made a few saw cuts, stacked up the 2 pieces on the end of each neck
blank, and applied glue and clamps. Leaving enough from each neck blank to make neck
blocks and end blocks for both ukes. [image]  [/image] [image]  [/image] [image]  [/image] And after
that, it was time to look at the back strip for the second back. After gluing the strip at
the weekend there were a few unsightly gaps that needed filling. I'd been far too neat
applying the glue originally, so I'd made up a filler with wood glue, fine dust from
scraping the back, and added some brown and black dyes. And once that had dried overnight
I had to add a little more wood glue to finish off. So with the heel blocks
neatly stacked, glued, and clamped.. I could tidy up the back strip and see how it had
come out... [image]  [/image] Pretty
good I think. I like the combination of black and red. The black is pretty standard dyed
maple/sycamore, but the red is Bloodwood veneer. It is a natural red wood, and retains
it's colour unlike Purpleheart and other coloured woods that can fade to brown with time.
You'll be seeing more Bloodwood over the weeks  Andy
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So with the neck blanks all prepared, it's time to get on with the fret boards. I made a straight edge, marked and planed/sanded one end at 90 degrees, scored a centre
line with a scalpel and then marked out the fret positions. Like so. [image]  [/image] And then
on to cutting the slots. The saw is a good quality one I bought many years ago, but it is
quite slow because I stoned most of the set off the teeth to make sure the slots are the
right width. Then a carefully placed square as a cutting guide. With care and patience you
can do a very accurate job with simple tools. [image]  [/image] I
completed 11 out of 19 fret slots on the first fretboard this afternoon. So another busy
afternoon tomorrow. Andy
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Not a lot to add... Finished cutting the fret slots on the second board
today... Andy
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With both fretboards slotted. [image]  [/image] It
was time to mark out the taper and plane to shape. Working from the centre line, I marked
the correct width at the nut and 12th fret using compasses and then scored the fretboard
edges with a scalpel. And then with an accurate line it was time to get the shooting board
out once more and a sharp plane. [image]  [/image] This
board has the right side already tapered and I'm working on the left side. It's important
to plane with the grain to maintain control and avoid tearing into the grain. And a closer
look will reveal that it's set-up to plane left handed. Being ambidextrous does make jobs
like this a lot easier. But it also means that the heels of both palms are pretty sore
tonight... when using a shooting board, you grip the body of the plane rather than the
handles. Pushing with the heel of the hand and guiding with the fingers. And
here are both fretboards after tapering. [image]  [/image] I
haven't trimmed them to length yet. I'll wait until later in case I want to put a fancy
shape on the tongue that goes over the body. And then to finish off the
afternoon, I finished fitting one of the truss rods. [image]  [/image] Not
sure about tomorrow... it appears that there could be an interruption during prime ukulele
building time. Ingerland are playing an important fixture in what our American cousins
might call The World Series Cup of Soccer. Andy
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hi andy,
i haven't posted on this thread yet but i had to chime in to add my
two cents and say you're doing a beautiful job documenting the project here. i'm not a
builder (i try to stay away from anything that can lead to fewer fingers than i started
with ;-) but i'm a sucker for the home-improvement/furniture building shows on tv and i
love to see craftsmanship at its finest. keep posting pics and i hope they play as nice
as they look.
cheers,
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Many thanks Phil... I still have all my fingers. Attached too, not in a box
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Andy - I too have been following this thread with great interest, and I have to say your
work is outstanding! I really can't wait to see the final result.
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Many thanks Dan. After a day off for football purposes, I was back to work
today completing a few small jobs. Finished fitting the truss rod in the second
neck. Then glued veneers to the back of both fret-boards. Both necks have a veneer between
the fretboard and neck which will show as a coloured line once finished. Then I
planed a straight edge on each of the 4 sides, ready for final shaping and then
bending. And finally, I marked out the templates to finalise the location of
the soundholes and rosettes. Andy
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I have to echo the thoughts of previous posters by saying...absolutely phenomenal stuff
Andy. I've been fascinated by the process of building guitars for many years now (I seem
to remember the trigger was hearing the story of Brian May building his signature "Red
Special" guitar with his dad from wood from a family friend's 18th century fireplace
mantelpiece!) and remain in constant awe at the talent and craftmanship of those that can
(as oppose to those like me that can't...or rather, would love to but would probably end
up an appendage or two down at the end of the day...;)). Not to digress too much from the
thread topic but have you done any more build diaries Andy? If so, it would be great to
read them!
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Many thanks Friday. This is the first build diary, but once it's all finished, and I have
regained my sanity, I might do another if there's enough interest. I am trying
to keep it interesting as well as informative, and doing as much as possible with basic
tools. Although it's possible to spend a fortune on specialist tools, it's not essential.
And if you learn to build with hand tools, you will develop a better understanding should
you want to go on and invest in the specialist tools. Anyway, today I trimmed
off the veneers on the fretboards. They look like this now. [image]  [/image] Those lines should look good once the fretboards are attached to the necks.. And I spent the rest of the day working on the headstock designs. It's easy to put
something together, but I want to get something that looks right, and takes into account
the hardware and decoration. Andy
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Some catching up to do... Yesterday we rough cut out the fronts and backs... [image]  [/image] So today
I made a start on bending sides. First of all getting everything laid out and ready to
go. [image]  [/image] Then I made a start on the first side. And here it is after the first bend.
[image]  [/image] And here I
am a little while later, close to finishing. [image]  [/image] A few
seconds later, I made this video clip dropping water on to the bending iron so you get a
good idea how hot it is. Hope it works... [image]
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#843183 - 30/06/10 07:52 AM
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Fabulous.
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#843401 - 30/06/10 11:01 PM
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Great stuff, but you do realise you're going to be asked to leave the luthier's magic
circle after posting explicit details like this
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#843406 - 01/07/10 12:02 AM
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Really good to see such care and attention to detail - I simply don't have the patience
for work like this!
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Thanks guys  Quote Dynamic
Mike:
Great stuff, but you do realise you're going to be asked to leave
the luthier's magic circle after posting explicit details like this
LOL... think of me as the Penn &
Teller of Luthiery. The principles are straightforward, but the devil is in the details.
But in all seriousness, it's not fancy woodwork. Nothing more complicated than a butt
joint or a lap joint. Luthiery is two things, simple woodwork done carefully and
accurately, and a good understanding of how the instrument works.
One of the
reasons I wanted to post this diary was to show how straightforward it is to make an
instrument. Ukuleles are great because they use all the same design principles and
processes as a guitar but small enough to build on a kitchen table. I'm working on a small
section of workbench in Mark's garage, you can see how small an area it is from the
pics.
With the exceptions of using a router to make the moulds and cut the
truss rod channels and a Dremel to rout for the back strips, everything has been done by
hand. All of those can be done by hand with simple hand tools if required, and even the
moulds aren't necessary. The bending iron and thickness calliper are specialist tools, but
there are ways to make simple versions for yourself.
Anyway...
Here's a pic of both backs and sides roughed out. You can also see the channel for the
rosette on one.
[image] [/image]
I
finished bending the first set of sides.

Then I
bent the first side for the second uke. And finally, I made a start on the hardest side,
the one with a cutaway. The tightest curves I've ever bent, was nerve wracking at
times!!
[image] [/image]
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Finished bending the sides today. Then moved on to working on the necks. Step
one was to pin the fretboard to the neck and then use a scalpel to mark out it's location
on the neck blank. The secret is to use some small panel pins and drill through a couple
of the fret slots to locate them. That way you can use the locating pins later when the
fretboard is glued to the neck and be certain it's in exactly the right place.
[image]  [/image] Once the exact location of the fretboard is marked out, it's time to rough cut it to
width. I've put both side by side here in the pic so you can see the difference once one
has been trimmed. At the heel and nut I've gone close to final width, ready for
carving. [image]  [/image] I
have since planed the heel end down close to the final length for a 14th fret neck/body
joint. At the same time I have adjusted the cut to approach the correct neck/body
angle. Andy
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#844502 - 06/07/10 01:19 AM
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So, on saturday I popped the first pair of sides into the mould and glued in the heel and
body blocks... Here it is in the mould... [image]  [/image] And here
it is pulled out this afternoon... [image]  [/image] Then
today I fitted the second pair of sides into their mould, made and fitted the heel and
body blocks, and glued that up. Made a start on glueing the kerfings to the
front of the cutaway uke. And I am all prepared to do the first rosette. Andy
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So, I made a start on the kerfings yesterday, so it was time to finish the side I
started. Here's a couple of shots showing the specialist tools...
clothespegs. [image]  [/image]
[image]  [/image] And
then I made final preparations for inlaying the first soundhole rosette.
[image]  [/image] Andy
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I left it last night preparing the bindings for the rosette. Usually, I would
use 1mm wide veneer strips for inlay. They are nice and easy to lay in the channel with
the mother of pearl, although a little fiddly. But the 6mm wide veneer strips I
am using for the front and back perflings are long enough for guitar sides. And there was
enough left over for the back strips, rosette, and other details. And I do hate wasting
decent materials, so I decided to use those. But that meant some creative thinking to work
out the best way to install them. The rosette designs both have a ring of pearl
bordered inside and out with 3 coloured rings of veneer strip. The pearl is about 1.5mm
thick. So the problem was how to successfully glue the thin strip of pearl between 6 wide
strips of veneer. The solution was to use the bending iron to pre-curve the
strips, and then use some MDF discs as formers to glue the 2 sets of three strips together
like this. [image]  [/image] This is the first ring half done. You can see that I lined the MDF ring with masking
tape then I glued the 3 strips together in the middle, taped to the former, and then
applied glue and worked out to one end. And then I worked from the middle to the other
end. Here are both sets glued. [image]  [/image] Tomorrow, I'll remove the tape. Then I'll either saw, plane or sand the rings down to
the same thickness as the pearl and maybe get them all glued in place. Andy
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#845444 - 09/07/10 01:29 AM
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I know you all love the pics... so here's a few more... [image]  [/image] The
front kerfings on the first uke completed. [image]  [/image] And here's the front kerfings on the second uke all clamped up. Had to do a test
run first to make sure I had enough pegs and clamps!! [image]  [/image] And
I did promise to show the glued veneer strip rings after taking them off the moulds.
Worked out nicely. But still at 6mm high, a lot taller than the pearl segments. [image]  [/image] So here I am cutting a ring in half. Once I finished cutting both rings, I had to sand
them nice and neat. A couple of test fittings, and then it was out with the glue. The
veneer and pearl rings fitted nicely. OK, I could have posted another pic of them after
glueing, but all you would see would be a brick sitting on top of a board to clamp them
down. But I promise to post a pic of the completed rosette tomorrow. Meanwhile, the search goes on for number 15 Swann and Morten scalpel blades. None to be
found in Plymouth or Tavistock today, and even worse, not a single shop that generally
carries them. So I'll just have to order some online. Those blades are the ones I need for
my modified fly cutter. I still have to cut the channel for the second rosette, and I have
to cut both soundholes later, so the blades are essential. Andy
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#845449 - 09/07/10 03:05 AM
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fantastic thread zen.. you mean these? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/10-x-Swann-Morton-No-15-Scalpel-Blades-Sterile-FreeP
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ET&hash=item1c13a4557aand if not, if you can source a canadian supply,
close to the east coast, i would be willing to track em down, and send them over the pond
for you.. you know..admiring artisan, to experienced luthier.
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#845678 - 10/07/10 01:04 AM
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Many thanks for your kind words JJ, And those are, indeed, the blades I need.
Not a bad price either as it includes P&P. Fortunately, I don't need the Sterile ones as
I'm not planning on any surgery any time soon. There are other things I need to buy, so
I'll shop around in case I can include the blades with another order, but I have
bookmarked that link just in case. Meanwhile, this afternoon I got out the
scraper and levelled the rosette which is now looking good. As always, scraping back ends
up leaving some marks and scrapes on the front too which will need sanding back. I'm
always in two minds whether or not to put a protective layer on the front when I scrape
back. On the one hand it will protect the front, but on the other hand it will prevent me
from getting the inlay flush to the front. Perhaps I'll try it the other way on the second
uke as it's an ideal opportunity to make a comparison. Anyway, here are a
couple of pics showing the scraped back front with it's body and the part carved neck. You
can see the bruising on the front from the scraping, but it will come out nicely when it's
finally sanded. And they give a sense of all the bits coming together as an instrument
too. [image]  [/image] [image]  [/image] And after
that I worked on the heel block for a while. I had to trim it down a little. Initially I'd
noted that I would have to allow for the length of the neck bolts, but it slipped my mind
when cutting and preparing the block and glueing. My mistake, but no harm done. And it's
part of the learning curve as it's the first time I've used this method of attaching a
neck. And once I'd tidied up, I drilled the heel block to take the neck bolts. You can see them here. [image]  [/image] And here's
how they look from the outside. I've put on the inserts that will eventually be drilled
and screwed into the heel itself, which will be one of the tasks coming up soon. [image]  [/image] Andy
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#845795 - 11/07/10 01:16 AM
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For any of you who might have been worried after a close up look at the front after
scraping down the rosette.... [image]  [/image] ... here
it is now I've sanded it nice and smooth again. Much better, don't you think? Andy
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It looks fantastic, it's really starting to take shape. What has suprised me is that you
haven't actually done anything yet which I feel is beyond the capacity of most people, or
used any tools the average bloke hasn't already got in the garage. Apart from the pegs!
I know this is an arrangement with a friend rather than a normal commission (&
also that you're making two) but is there any chance of a breakdown of the hours worked
& the cost incurred when you finish? I hope you're enjoying making them as much as I
am following this post.
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#845923 - 12/07/10 12:44 AM
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Thank you Mike  You are right, they really are beginning to take shape now. At
first we were just dealing with pieces of wood, joining them and thicknessing them. But
increasingly now, you can see the instruments appearing at every step which is always very
rewarding and gratifying. And yes, there are far less specialist tools required
than people might think and even those that are used are not essential. When I was at the
Totnes School of Guitarmaking many years ago each workbench had 2 planes (with standard
and toothed blades for each), 3 chisels, 2 gouges, a rasp, a scalpel, a marking gauge, a
6" steel ruler, a cabinet scraper, and a chalk pencil. And for the entire class there were
a few saws and hammers, a single router, a Dremel, a thicknessing calliper, a bending
iron, a go bar deck, a few jigs & moulds, and a load of clamps. Don't get me
wrong, all of the specialist tools you can buy from luthiers suppliers have their uses and
I will be purchasing some more soon too. But when I started this build diary I
was hoping to show that it wasn't essential to have all of the specialist tools. That is
was possible to make a good quality and attractive instrument on a workbench with basic
tools. Although there has been a lot of crossover in the last decade or so, there are
essentially two traditions in luthiery. The European tradition has been based on basic
hand tools and the traditional Spanish method, and the North American tradition has been
based more on using jigs and machine tools. And we are fortunate to be able to pick the
best from both traditions. Learning to build in the European tradition teaches you a great
deal about how guitars work and develops your intuition for the materials used. The North
American tradition gives you consistency, repeatability, and the science. And I think both
are worth learning. As you have seen, the woodwork is pretty simple. No fancy
joints at all. There are, however, a few caveats. The simple woodwork has to be done very
accurately in places. You do need to know how to set-up and sharpen your hand tools and be
comfortable and confident using them to achieve that degree of accuracy. When
the project is finished I plan to do some summing up. I'll be listing the suppliers I
used, giving a guide to cost and time. What I might also do is add a lesson on sharpening
planes, chisels and scrapers. Anyway, back to work tomorrow. Time to make a
start on the braces for the fronts and backs. Andy
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#846467 - 14/07/10 01:02 AM
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Got the main braces for the front and back done today. Planed to thickness and then planed
the curves on the edges that glue to the front and back. Here are the front ones.. [image]  [/image] Once they are glued in place, they'll be carved to height and shape. Just
need to finish the fan braces for the front now. And then I have to do the same
for the second uke once I've inlaid the rosette. Andy
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#847016 - 16/07/10 01:50 AM
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Had a very productive day yesterday, but no pics to show for it. The two ukes have been
getting out of synch due to a lack of consumables. I've been carrying on as best as I can
to make the best use of the time, but it would be far better if I could get both back in
synch again. So, I've been shopping on town and on line. The #15 scalpel blades
are in the post, as are the bits to complete the Go Bar Deck (I'll explain about the Go
Bar Deck soon, it's important). Thanks to Mark's generosity I've also been able to order
some more specialist tools (to speed up future projects) and the materials to make another
Uke once these are finished. Anyway, this afternoon I finished planing the
cedar for the tone bars on the first uke. So it now has a complete set ready for glueing
to the front and back. And with some time on my hands I took the chance to make
the 12th fret inlay for Ruth's Uke... [image]  [/image] ... Looks good
so far. Just need to inlay it now. There will, of course, be pics when I get to that
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The scalpel blades arrived. I ordered 15A instead of 15, but they work just as well. And I
just ordered some 15's so I have them when I need them especially. So I
celebrated by cutting the channel for the second rosette and inlaid it this afternoon.
I'll post pics tomorrow once it's cleaned up after glueing overnight. Over the
last couple of weeks I've let the two ukes get out of sync. I've done several things on
one but not the other. Largely because I needed to order various things. More
to do tomorrow, but it does depend on what arrives in the post  Andy
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Cleaned up the rosette today, and it came out fine. [image]  [/image] You
can also see the note inlay glued at the twelfth fret. The yellow is acrylic paint. The
technique is to apply the paint and let it dry, then use a spot of superglue on the inlay
to hold it position while you score around it with a scalpel to mark the position. The
score marks show better against the yellow. Then I got out the Dremel with a very fine
dental burr to rout the cavity. Once routed, I mixed some epoxy and coloured it with black
and brown dye. Ebony isn't jet black, the brown helps the stained epoxy blend into the
wood better. On monday I'll sand it back and get a pic or two so you can see
better. Andy
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Taking a day off ukuleles tomorrow. Visiting our chums at Sound Gallery there. But I did
get some work done. The courier arrived this morning with a useful package.
Some 5mm GRP rod that I need for the Go Bar deck... more details soon with pics Also in the package were my metal powders for inlay... [image]  [/image] Here's
Ruths octave inlay after sanding back. Should look good once the frets are in place and it
isn't sitting in a sea of ebony. I'm very pleased because I managed to get a very good
match when colouring the epoxy resin I used to glue it. I'm considering engraving a
highlight or two to really bring it to life, but I'll wait until the neck is fretted
before deciding. You can also see the other fretboard drilled for the octave
marker, and the MOP dot I turned for it. I've since glued that in place too. The Idea was
to have a total eclipse. The pearl dot for the moon, set in a metal powder and epoxy mix.
Hence the metal powders mentioned before. I have aluminium, copper, and brass powders but
this is the first time I've tried this method so I'm improvising a lot here. I mixed brass
and copper together with the epoxy, which is a known technique (the metal powders are the
same used for putting a metallic finish in moulded fibreglass). But as I am inlaying into
ebony, I thought I should add some black dye too, to disguise the epoxy. However it's
looking far too subtle right now. The idea is to sand back the epoxy/metal powder mix to
reveal the metal itself. But the black stain is making it look very dark. If I'm lucky,
it's just the stained epoxy coating the metal powder efficiently and sanding will reveal
shiny copper and bronze. But I won't know now until wednesday. But I will put up a pic of
how it comes out so we can all see. And if it really doesn't work right, I can always
carefully rout out the pearl and epoxy, make another pearl dot, and try a mix without the
black dye. And if I need a few attempts... there's nothing wrong with an inlay covering
the 11th, 12th and 13th frets Andy
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I have loved watching this take shape. You have the patience of a saint. Great now
they are taking shape. They look amazing. All the very best. Vinny.
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They really are looking great! What sort of finish do you intend on
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Quite apart from my admiration of the skills, not to say patience, involved Zen should
also be congratulated for the way in which he has explained each step in such a detailed
yet easy to follow manner. On top of all the hours spent building these two instruments
(and teaching his new apprentice) to then find the time and energy to write the whole
thing up (plus take the pictures) is quite remarkable and is greatly appreciated. Well done Zen and thank you Chris PS I've also developed an urge
to learn how to play the Ukulele (I'm going to buy my son one for his birthday)
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Many thanks guys.. The finish will be French Polish !!! Hard work, but worth
the effort. And no need for a spray booth. I have the compressor and spray gun, and
cellulose too, but need a decent dust free, clean, space to get best results. Meanwhile, I sanded back the inlay today... and it wasn't even worth taking a pic. Yes,
the pearl dot was fine, but the metal in the stained epoxy was hardly visible. So I
drilled it out, made another dot, and then did what I should have done before. I made some
test pieces and filled them with different combinations so I can see what works best. An
example each of all three metal powders with clear epoxy (no black stain), all three metal
powders and superglue, and the copper and brass powders mixed with epoxy and yellow
acrylic paint. Tomorrow I'll sand them back and see how they all worked. After
that, I finished preparing the second set of braces ready for curving. And then I'll build
the go bar deck and start glueing braces. Andy
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Quote zenguitar:
The finish will
be French Polish !!! Hard work, but worth the effort. And no need for a spray booth.
You just reminded me, a few
years back some jobsworth assistant in a local chemist refused to sell me a 20ml bottle of
spirit for French Polishing. This was despite the fact I had a £20 note & there was
an bargain booze shop next door! Fortunately the chemist just laughed & told her it
was okay.
Maybe she was right though because I made a right mess of it &
ended up having to remove it & spray it. Funny, it looked so easy whenever my Dad did
it!!!
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So true Mike, but the great thing with french polish is that you can always wipe it back
and refinish it. And it's a great excuse to buy methylated spirits  Meanwhile, I've finished the go bar deck today. And here it is.. [image]  [/image] Since I
took the pic I dismantled it again, cut off the excess length on the vertical struts, and
epoxied the top nuts for the base board in place on the threaded rods. So it'll be quicker
to assemble when needed. The boards are 20" x 24" x 18mm MDF, and the go bars
are 666mm long and made from 5mm GRP rods. There are 30 of them, and I found some nice
rubber tips for them too. In the pic you can see how the top board is being flexed by the
force they provide. Lots of fun  And that means I'll be glueing braces soon. Andy
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Ingenious!
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Hi Stan  Go Bars are actually quite an old technique. Used by piano makers
to attach the soundboards because you can get a lot of clamping pressure in a very small
area, and you have a lot of control. Here are a couple of pics of the braces
being glued to the 1st front. [image]  [/image] [image]  [/image] It was a
little fiddly getting everything in place. And there were a couple of 'explosions' with go
bars flying everywhere when I didn't get them lined up properly. But looking good now. And before applying the braces, I remembered to get the circle cutter out and cut
the soundhole out. Not the easiest thing to do once the front has been curved by attaching
the braces. Andy
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Greetings Earthlings, a day of Deep Joy and a minor hiccup was had today. Despite my fears, the go bar deck hadn't exploded in a shower of GRP and softwood over
the weekend. So it was just a matter of removing the bars to get the front and start work.
However, I'm still getting a feel for this new go bar deck and learning how to fine tune
it. [image]  [/image] So here's the front ready for me to plane the tops of the braces down close to their
final height. But if you look carefully you can see that the brace closest to the camera
hasn't glued along it's length. You can clearly see a small gap. And once I started
planing, that gap opened up. And the middle brace had a similar problem too, with the same
side coming loose. Nothing to worry about. Once I had planed the braces down it
was straightforward to get some glue in there and clamp both braces securely. LIke this..
and you can see the arch on the front now too. [image]  [/image] Nothing wrong with making mistakes, as long as you learn from them. So I thought about
it and realised that these GRP bars are a lot more powerful than I expected. I've
previously used wooden laths that were also a little longer. The problem was caused by
too much clamping pressure. So, with that in mind I moved on to glueing the back
reinforcement strip. Like so... [image]  [/image] I had to adjust the deck anyway, but I made sure that I reduced the pressure as
well. It's not easy to see, but I have much less bend in the bars now. Once
that was done, I got back to working on the braces for the second uke. So, the ones for
the front are now ready, and the ones for the back are almost finished. I also decided to
reduce the height of those braces, and the back braces for the 1st uke. They need to be
planed down anyway, and to be honest, they were a little too tall. That didn't help the
clamping with the go bars either. So, tomorrow I'll be glueing the back braces
on the 1st uke, and finishing making the braces for the second one. Finally,
there were a couple of bonuses today too. This morning I picked up a package with a full
Koa set of back, sides, and front, for another tenor uke. I was expecting another delivery
in a couple of days with the rest of the woods for that uke, some more funky tools, and
the machine heads and french polishing materials for the current pair. But when I got home
I found that that had arrived too. So lots more toys  Andy
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Here's the first back all glued. Once I sanded the back re-inforcement I cut the sliots
for the braces and applied glue and go bars... [image]  [/image] Then I
got on and examined the machine heads. Gotoh ukulele pegs with adjustable height posts. [image]  [/image]
[image]  [/image] Andy
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it's late, I should be in bed... more pics... [image]  [/image] [image]  [/image]
[image]  [/image] Andy
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I planned to say more yesterday, but it was very late when I finally got to post... The pics yesterday were of be glueing the bridge plate to one front, the back
reinforcement on the 2nd uke, and the soundhole cut in the 2nd uke. Today... I was glueing the back braces on the second uke (no pics, because they would be
similar to those I already posted), and then I was shaping the braces on the front of the
1st uke. [image]  [/image] [image]  [/image] [image]  [/image] tomorrow I hope to make the fan braces for the 1st front and glue them in place. Then at
the weekend I should be able to attach the front to the sides. I'll also try to glue the
braces to the 2nd front too. So, plenty to be getting on with. Andy
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#850029 - 30/07/10 05:24 AM
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Happy Birthday Andy
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MHR Andy  The Ukes are looking fab, just don't read this months Guitarist
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Cheers guys.. And now you just know I'll have to get Guitarist to discover what
you're talking about !!! I'll be back later with today's diary and pics, but
now I have to go and actually do something to photograph !! Andy
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A productive afternoon  made a start on the fan braces for the first uke front. And I cut down the 1st uke body
depth to taper from the bottom to the heel. [image]  [/image] Marked up the taper and then attacked the body with a razer saw and a tenon saw for the
neck and heel blocks. And then fitted it into the mould to sand everything level. And here it is finished and waiting for the front to be fitted. [image]  [/image] Another
small step, but one that makes it look more and more like the final instrument rather than
a set of parts. Andy
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Quote zenguitar:
Andy
Happy birthday Andy.
I have been following
this thread for a while, waiting for the right moment to post.
Love what you
are doing, love the pics.
So happy you are doing something you love.
Warmest regards to you.
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thanks for this thread Zen - it would have made a good film. Slightly jealous of your
workspace - I live in a flat in inner London. Maybe one day... I gather it was
your birthday recently, hope it was a good one. I find they seem to come around a bit too
quickly these days, scarily quickly.
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Indeed there is a lot that's drool-worthy here
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Many thanks guys, I did have a good birthday thanks, although I am sure the
Earth's orbit around the Sun has accelerated in recent years. That would explain the
birthdays seeming to get closer together, and it would mean that I am not staying up too
late at night, it's the days getting shorter  And I don't have as big a workspace as you might think Fletcher. I'm working in Mark's
garage which is actually quite full. I have bench space about 4' wide and less than 2'
deep, there is a Workmate there that I have used occasionally, the go bar deck was
standing on that, but has migrated to sit on an old side table that is stored there. This
really is something you could build on a kitchen table with a little planning. The go bar
deck takes a bit of space, but it packs flat when not in use (and if you have enough space
between the kitchen worktop and the wall cabinets you could use that instead of building a
go bar deck, as long as the cabinets are securely fitted to the wall). I'd
love to move back to London if I could.. Perhaps I could write a book... 'Build a Ukulele
on your Kitchen Table' !! I could include plans for Soprano, Concert, Tenor, and Baritone
instruments, plans for all the jigs. A list of tools and materials. Step by step
instructions. And detailed photographs of every stage. I'd need to build several
instruments so I could illustrate the differences between using the most basic tool set,
and using some of the more specialist tools.... OK... where did I put that
lottery ticket? Meanwhile, back in the real world, I did get more work done
today. Feeling more than a little fragile when I woke up, I resorted to some buttered
toast and coffee.. a Universal Cure-All. Then it was off to finish the front fan braces I
started yesterday. [image]  [/image] Here
they are clamped up in the go bar deck. But to get to that stage I had to finish notching
the bottoms to sit over the bridge plate, plane a taper along the length, and then shape
the ends so that they mated neatly with the cross brace. Then it was out with the glue. Next, it was time to carve and sand the back braces. I just took a big chisel to
them, first removing the excess to bring them down to the right height, then carving away
the sides to leave a neat V shape. You can do this with a finger plane, but I haven't got
one... yet!! You can buy them from luthier's suppliers, but someone has promised to pass
on a couple they inherited at some point so I'll wait a while and keep on doing it the old
fashioned way until then. Once the bulk of the material was removed, it was
time to get out the rough sandpaper and ten finish off with some fine paper to remove the
sanding marks. [image]  [/image] A
day off tomorrow, and then on monday I just need to give the finger braces a final shaping
and sanding, trim the cross braces to fit inside the sides, notch the kerfings to
accomodate the braces, and fit the top to the sides. That will be a big step towards the
finished instrument, and I'll be able to finally adjust the heel of the neck so I can
start making progress there. Andy
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Today was a good day for you picture fans. I trimmed and shaped the fan braces.
And then spent a while with a scalpel cutting the notches in the kerfing that accomodate
the braces. [image]  [/image] It
needs a little patience to ensure that the front sits neatly on the kerfing with the
centre lines of the front and sides perfectly lined up. Because once it's glued, you can't
change your mind. And here are the pics of the front clamped up. I made a
special effort to arrange the go bars in an artistic manner 
[image]  [/image]
[image]  [/image] I also
did some work on the 12th fret inlay for the second uke. We'll see how that turns out on
wednesday. Tomorrow I have to go to town, but before I leave I'll remove the uke from the
mould and get a pic of the front glued on. Andy
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I had reason so spend a few hours in and around Exeter today. Had a bit of a look
see to see if I could find signs of a Uke Factory.
I can report no obvious
signs, so these guys must have an underground operation.
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Quote Madman_Greg:
I had
reason so spend a few hours in and around Exeter today. Had a bit of a look see to see if
I could find signs of a Uke Factory.
I can report no obvious signs, so these
guys must have an underground operation.
LOL
That's because I'm near Plymouth.
Anyway...
No real work done today, had to go to Plymouth. But I did remove
the uke from the clamps.
[image] [/image]

Not quite as good
as it looks, it slipped a bit under the clamping pressure and left a gap as the brace rode
up in the notch. But easy enough to re-open a section and re-glue properly.
And
here's the 2nd fretboard inlay.
[image] [/image]
Not as
neat as I'd like, but not bad for freehand routing around the pearl dot. The surround is
copper powder set in super glue. Looks like it will polish up nicely. I'm going to think a
little more about what I've learned from the process before I decide whether to keep it,
or to replace it again. It might be worth drilling it out again!! The new option I'm
considering is to fill a full circle with the copper powder/super-glue and then when it
has set, drill out the bulk to inlay a new pearl dot. Maybe I'll make a test piece first
to see how well it works.
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This afternoon I prepared a test piece for the inlay. Drilled a hole in a piece of scrap
MDF and filled it with copper powder and super-glue. I'll sand it flat tomorrow and see
how well it drills to take a pearl dot. But what you really wanted to know was
what went wrong glueing the front, and what happened next. [image]  [/image] You can
see how the front shifted and rode up on the front brace, leaving a nasty gap. So I needed to open up the glue joint again. From the middle brace on that side, right
around past the upper brace, over the heel block, and past the upper brace on the other
side. And the way to do that is to heat an old table knife. You don't want a sharp knife.
The idea is to use heat to break the glue join, not cut it, especially as a sharp knife
risks doing a lot of damage if you try to force it. [image]  [/image] So
here's the knife heating up on the bending iron. I could have used a gas torch to
heat the knife. But it would be very easy to get it way too hot, so I reluctantly decided
to be sensible. Then it was a matter of slipping the hot blade into the gap and
then patiently working it around until I had released enough. And it looked like this. [image]  [/image]
[image]  [/image] A closer
examination revealed that I needed to make a fillet between the cutaway and the front, as
that was the main cause of it moving when first glued. So I sanded a thin wedge from an
off-cut from the front. The binding will cover all my sins here  Then it was time to get the clamps out. A piece of thick MDF as a baseboard, some cork
and thin MDF for clamping cauls, and some more glue. [image]  [/image] I'm much
happier now. Everything is properly lined up again. Tomorrow, I glue the braces
to the other front. I'm working on the headstock designs too. I've made a couple of
drawings, but I am tempted to get out the laptop and finally learn how to use the open
source CAD program I installed months ago. It might be worth the effort. I can print out
very accurate drawings full size on paper and glue that to MDF to make templates for
cutting the headstocks and accurately drilling for the machine heads. And besides, if I
can work accurately in CAD I can get some very accurate templates machined in 1/4" acrylic
for future projects. Which could make a real improvement in quality, consistency, and
speed of production. Andy
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Fantastic Zen, what's great for the rest of us is it shows that even the great can make
mistakes, and more importantly then show how to resolve the issue. There's always a
belief that the craftsmen get it right every time, which is probably the number 1 reason
why amateurs get put off trying. What happens when it goes wrong? But it seems to me
that knowing how to fix a problem is probably more important than building it in the first
place!!
If you can spend time with CAD plotting and creating templates, I
reckon you'd have a captive audience here for Uke builing packs mate. Can you scan your
paper/card templates in to plot?
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Thanks Hewesy, I think it's important to show things 'warts and all', things
will go wrong from time to time. And when they do, they can usually be put right.
In fact, I would go as far as saying that it's important that you do make mistakes.
You learn far better that way. Fixing the problem teaches you a lot, and understanding why
it went wrong teaches you more. And you remember what you have learned by experience. I don't have a scanner, and don't usually have any need for one. My technical
drawing skills are very good, but it's probably better to use those to get the best out of
CAD than to scan in drawings. Just need to learn how to use it!! Although I
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I agree Zen, and its great to see.
I have access to a couple of large format
scanners if you need any help chap.
Look forward to seeing the next stage.
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Quote Hewesy:
I have access to a
couple of large format scanners if you need any help chap.
Hewesy
Ohh don't tempt me. I'll have to get a
decent drawing board with accurate parallel motion, some new squares and stuff, and an
ultrasound cleaner to service my technical pens. Would be far better to win the lottery
and buy Autocad and a PC to run it on 
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Hi Zen Still enjoying every stage of this build - cheers for sharing  I've got CAD and large format scanners printers + plotters. I'm crazy busy at
work for the next couple of months but if you've got reasonable 'sketches' I could
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Many thanks Jumpey, that's a kind offer. It's shouldn't be necessary, but you
never know. If I am having an 'Ideal World' moment... What I want is a very affordable CAD
program for basic 2D technical drawing that outputs Autocad files. A Virtual Drawing
Board... Meanwhile... This afternoon I tried glueing the remaining 2
braces to the 2nd Uke front but it wasn't having it. I got one in fine, but the second
exploded in a hail of flying go bars and took out the first. I replaced them both, and all
seemed fine. But 10 minutes later the second exploded again. Discretion being the better
part of valour, I left the 2nd in place and decided to glue the 3rd on monday. And as it's
been such a pain (I even reshaped the braces just to be sure today) I've decided to use
old fashioned clamps!! The other front and both backs were fine, but this front is just
refusing to play fair. However, I did manage to match the neck to body join on
the 1st uke and mark the neck ready to drill for the neck inserts. Andy
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Back to work again this afternoon. And time to finish a bunch of smaller tasks. First was glueing the final, reluctant, brace. No more exploding go bars.. it was easier
(and safer!) to use some clamps. [image]  [/image] Then I glued the kerfings for the back of the 1st uke. [image]  [/image] Next, I worked on the heel block of the 2nd uke, ready to drill it for the neck bolts.
And finally, I shaved down the back braces for the 2nd uke and made a start on shaping
them. Tomorrow, I need to remember to take along my brace drill so I can fit
the neck fittings to the neck. Andy
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Another good day today. I managed to shape the back braces for the second uke,
then shaved and shaped the front braces for the same one. I drilled the heel of
the 1st neck ready to take the neck inserts. And here's the 1st body with the
back kerfings. [image]  [/image] Andy
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The Curse of the Wandering Drill BitWhen I looked again at the holes I
drilled top receive the neck bolt fittings, I wasn't satisfied. The first hole took a
while to get started, and in the process went for a stroll and went in a few mm off line.
I toyed with the idea of fitting the inserts anyway and then plugging and re-drilling the
heel block in the body. But in the end, I couldn't face fixing it that way, it had to be
done right. I had to plug the hole in the neck and re-drill properly. So I
grabbed a piece of scrap from the neck and with a big chisel rough shaped a big dowel.
Then I chucked it up in the drill and turned it down to size with sandpaper. All was going
well until I grabbed the mallet to 'tap' the dowel firmly into place. A couple of
enthusiastic 'taps' later and I managed to shear the heel off the neck. OOPS  But it was a nice clean break. And instead of panicking I grabbed the glue and stuck it
back together. The secret is to resist the temptation to experiment, just get some glue on
it and apply clamps. The two parts usually fit together perfectly well but every time you
chicken out and try test fitting the pieces together, you run the risk of doing more
damage. [image]  [/image] As you
can see, it went together nicely. And the glue line will be at least as invisible as the
glue lines for the stacked heel because the grain is a perfect match. It will only take a
few minutes to trim off the plug and mark out for re-drilling tomorrow. Rather
than dwelling on the problem, I made progress on the second front. I finished sanding and
shaping the braces and then made the bridge patch and glued it up on the go-bar deck. [image]  [/image] Then I strolled up to the village to buy a lottery ticket. After that bad luck I reckon
I am due for some good luck  Then it was back to work and time to trim the braces and notch the kerfing ready to fit
the back to the first uke. Here it is with the back held in place with masking tape so I
could mark out where the braces will meet the sides. [image]  [/image] Then I copied the marks over to the top of the kerfing, marked the areas to cut out, and
got busy with a scalpel. I also marked the braces where they went over the sides, allowed
a little extra for the width of the sides, and trimmed them back too. I still
need to profile the ends of the braces and make final adjustments to the kerfings, but
once done I'll be able to fit the back just as soon as I've marked out the repaired neck
heel and drilled it properly. Andy
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Off to work shortly... But before I go here's yesterdays work. The repaired
heel came out fine. [image]  [/image] You
can't see the repaired break, and I've already drilled the new hole for the fittings. Then I got the back close to final fitting, and glued the fan braces to the second
front. [image]  [/image] The go bars are being far better behaved now  Andy
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Another fun and productive day today. I fine tuned the neck fittings until
everything sat true. And I have pictures to prove it!!! [image]  [/image]
[image]  [/image] And once
that was done I made the final adjustments and fitted the back. And suddenly the go bars
are being very well behaved again. [image]  [/image] I did
leave one of the neck bolts loosely in the hole to save time refitting it. It's the top
one that is closest to the front bracing. I've done a few test fittings working through
the sound hole and I could get both in, but the top one was quite fiddly so I thought I'd
save some time later. Next stages are to fit the top and bottom to the second
uke, bind the first uke, and to finish shaping the 1st neck. So plenty to be getting on
with. Andy
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Nice to see the development really coming on.
Why are there 'tabs' either side
of the back, in the picture?
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Old habit Folderol, it's how I was taught at Totnes many years ago. The idea is that you
have somewhere to handle the front and back when you are working on them before assembling
the box. It reduces greasy fingerprints and the like. Definitely useful on a
guitar, but to be honest it hasn't made much difference on the uke as it's small enough to
handle carefully anyway. Andy
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A day of distractions today. But before we attacked the kitchen worktop, I did
manage to remove the go bars and trim the top flush. [image]  [/image]
[image]  [/image] And I
must admit that we did spend some time just looking at the results. I'm very pleased with
the results. And once it's all neatly bound it's going to look great. I've never been a
great fan of green and blue, but that back stripe looks excellent so I've added it to my
list of known 'good inlay/binding' for future reference. Andy
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Wow! It's really looking great! I can't wait to see it when you've bound the body!
It's such a pleasure to watch this taking shape. Thank you for taking the time to
post all of your progress - I know how much of a pain it can be sometimes, but it really
is appreciated.
What sort of binding have you in mind?
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Looks beautiful. Comment about the 'handles' is obvious when you know, isn't
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Cheers guys. If you look carefully at the pics showing the backs and fronts,
you can see the handling tabs on them all Folderol  And as for the bindings Dan.. the cutaway Uke will have Curly Maple bindings with blue
and green perflings. The non-cutaway Uke will have Bloodwood bindings with black and red
perflings. Back to work tomorrow  Andy
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After problems getting correct authorisation codes, this morning I finally managed to get
my CAD software installed. So all I need to do now is work out how to use it !! Once
that's done I can finalise my headstock designs, print them out on paper. Stick the paper
to MDF, and make the templates. And I need to get that done soon because I made
headway on carving the heel on the 1st neck today. I trimmed off the excess and got busy
with the chisel. [image]  [/image] And
after that, I made progress notching the kerfings on the second uke to fit the front. Andy
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I finished fitting the front to the second uke today, but in the process I managed to
loosen a small section of kerfing. So I re-glued that which meant that I couldn't glue the
front on. Then I got on with carving the neck. I took a few mm of
the headstock thickness, got the shape at the heel and 1st fret close. But no pic,
although I removed plenty of wood, it doesn't look that much different. But it is a lot
closer to final shape and size. Still trying to to learn the CAD software. But
rapidly reaching the point where I have to get a result, or make some templates for the
headstock the old fashioned way. It's straightforward to do by hand, but I wanted the
opportunity to use the CAD software as I'm not very good at learning things in an abstract
way. I learn best when I have a real world project, not make believe. I took my motorcycle
test on a one week course. Even though I had a full car licence they very nearly refused
to take me on the road to do my CBT test on the bike because I was SO BAD driving around
the yard on painted roads. They took the chance and put me on the road, and I went from
worst in the class, to best. What I need is a local guitarist who is an
experienced AutoCAD user. Then I could trade some basic training for a decent set-up or
two. Andy
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Slowly getting my head round the CAD, but you don't want to know about that. The good news is that today was another scary woodwork day. The second uke front was
glued on this afternoon. That's always scary, with all those go bars and the thin wood.
But you have seen that before. So I got out the Dremel and the attachment for
cutting binding channels. And after some test cuts and adjustments I set it loose on the
first uke front and made some serious sawdust. And here it is after cutting but before
tidying up the loose fibres. [image]  [/image] A
few minutes with a new scalpel blade cleaned it up nicely, and then I made a final pass to
make sure everything was nice and even. I also took the chance to cut the
channel for the end strip that covers where the two sides meet at the bottom. Double sided
tape and a couple of 6" steel rules marked the edges. Then I used the scalpel to score
along the rules and the baby hand router that I used for the rosette channels to cut a
neat channel for the end strip. [image]  [/image] A
nice clean job, and you can see how well the binding channel finished too. Next job is to
cut the bindings and purflings and bend to shape ready for glueing. Andy
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I'm not sure how, but it looks like you've found another level Zen. The detail work is
going to look wonderful.
Loving all the Dremel kit too, my other half has just
bought a 3000 set (with the cool flexi tool for precision work) for her silver work and
the catalogue of accessories is worse than StewMac! The workstation is a great
investment.
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Hi Zen,
Did you cut the binding channels freehand, or does the drill have any
kind of a guide you can use. If not, I think this is maybe the bit were it starts to
exceed my nerve/capability, I'd be petrified doing this after all the work that's gone
before. It looks like serious brown trouser territory! Loving the post though, I'm
thinking of making it my homepage...thanks.
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Cheers Hewsey, Don't worry about the Dremel catalogue, most of it is grinding
and sanding stuff. What you really need are the custom accessories you get from StewMac
and LMI  And you have to love the flex shaft... I have 2 standard Dremels, a
cordless one, and 2 flexshafts now  Mike, you are right. The more you do, the more damage you risk doing if you
make a mistake. So yes, you do get nervous. But you have to remind yourself to trust your
tools, your skills, your knowledge, and your experience. Use scrap to make practice cuts
to get used to a new tool. And remember that the worst case scenario is that you have to
buy more wood and start again, but with the benefit of more experience  the aluminium lump screwed onto the end of the Dremel is a guide. Part of an old set
from StewMac. If you look closer at the pic you can see that the the 115 router bit sits
inside an offset fence. One side of the fence cuts a wider channel than the other, and as
there are two tools in the kit, each with different offsets, you get 4 different width
cuts. The depth of the cut is set by how you mount the cutter in the Dremel. It's a simple tool and very accurate, you just make a series of passes against the body
and let the tool guide the cutter. The screw on collar does the work for you, and in
principle it's just the same as the fancy binding tools that LMI and StewMac sell. Rather
than pressing the body against a jig holding a laminate cutter, you press the jig to the
body. Regretably, StewMac have discontinued the set I own and replaced it with
a single, adjustable, version. The new tool give you adjustable width channels instead of
a choice of four widths, but it's more complex. And creative use of masking tape can let
you get more than four different width cuts from the old tool. Anyway, this
afternoon I removed the 2nd body from the go bar deck and the front glued nicely. But
there was a small section that hadn't glued, so I filled the gap with glue and left it
clamped overnight. Then it was back to the 1st body and the bindings. I decided to run over the sides with some sandpaper and a sanding block. There were a
few places where the sides had curved leaving the sides with some dips and crowns. And
while I could have waited until final finishing, it was better to true them now, and then
run the Dremel on another pass rather than risk the bindings varying in thickness. Then I cut a channel on both sides of the square edge of the cutaway ready for
maple trimming once the binding is finished. And finally, I got out the bending
iron to pre-curve the binding strips and purflings ready for glueing... Which reminds me,
I need to take along my Sellotape tomorrow, it's ideal for taping the glued bindings in
place... So, now I've put the Sellotape next to the paracetamol ready to put
into my bag in the morning, here's what they look like. [image]  [/image] The main thing was to pre-bend for the tight curves, not to make them an exact match.
The maple on the treble side actually split, but nothing to worry about. Flame maple is
always difficult to bend because the flame is actually where the grain breaks through to
the edge. A little care and a piece of flat steel (a 6" ruler actually) held against the
back of the split let me finish the bend. That's the hidden advantage of side bending
machines... as well as giving very accurate and repeatable bends, a side bending machine
holds the wood between two steel plates and really does reduce the risk of splits and
cracks by combining tension and compression bending. Andy
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Quote zenguitar:
And you have to
love the flex shaft... I have 2 standard Dremels, a cordless one, and 2 flexshafts now

Ah, but have you got the
WorkStand? Now that is a very useful tool, bench drill, angle for drilling/sanding stand
and the ability to use it as a Pendant Motor when using the Flextool.
Now if
only I could actually get a go on it... 
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Quote Hewesy:
Ah, but have you
got the WorkStand? Now that is a very useful tool, bench drill, angle for
drilling/sanding stand and the ability to use it as a Pendant Motor when using the
Flextool.
Now if only I could actually get a go on it... 
Hewesy
I didn't
bother with the Workstand. I've got a pillar drill and a bench disc and belt sander
already. And I can usually put up a hook when I need one, I have one permanently fitted
above my bench 
And this afternoon, I got out the Sellotape and glued the binding
and purflings on the first edge.
[image] [/image]
Clean
up tomorrow, and then I'll see if I can get the other edge done.
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I tidied up the first binding, then made a test fitting of the bass side to trim to
length. [image]  [/image] The it was
time to get in close and trim the ends. [image]  [/image] [image]  [/image] And then it
was out with the wood glue and Sellotape again until it looked like this.
[image]  [/image] More fun on
Monday... enjoy the rest of the weekend Andy
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I was running errands this morning so I started a little late today. And I didn't have my
camera with me... But I routed the binding channels on the back, and curved the
bindings and purflings ready to fit over the next couple of days. Andy
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So... here's the pics. [image]  [/image]
[image]  [/image] I
then glued the bass side binding on the back. And then I trimmed the sides of
the second uke down to a rough taper. [image]  [/image] So things are progressing smoothly. Andy
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OOPS... messed up the pics... here's the missing one.
[image]  [/image] Andy
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Hi Zen
A trivial question that been bugging me since page 1 - what is the blue
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That's what I like to hear Jumpy... a question I can answer... once I've looked it up! The blue veneers are from LMI, I just checked the website and it's pressure dyed
maple veneer. But I haven't just been checking the website today... I did
this. [image]  [/image] Yes, that's
the final edge of the 1st uke bound and the sides of the second uke trimmed and the
kerfing glued on. I've got the end strip and cutaway corner binding to add on the 1st, and
the back is already prepared to go onto the second once I've drilled for the neck
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Another busy day... I fitted the end strip.. [image]  [/image] And cutaway bindings.. [image]  [/image] to the
first uke.. Then I drilled the heel block in the second uke ready for the neck
fittings. Next I marked up the second neck. Drilled and temporarily pinned the fretboard
to the neck, and marked the 14th fret where it joins the body. Then I marked out the back
angle, cut off the excess from the heel, and planed it back so the neck blank mates to the
body in the right place and at the right angle. Here it is clamped in a test
fitting while I think overnight about how to proceed. It mates to the body at the right
angles. But I need to decide whether to make the end of the body flat to match the neck,
or to make the end of the neck concave to match the body. I'm tending towards the latter,
or a mix of both. [image]  [/image] Andy
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#856986 - 27/08/10 11:40 AM
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Looking at that pic of the neck block reminds me I must talk to you about a lap
steel... Looking grande, hopefully get a peek in person soon  Hewesy
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Cheers Hewesy No problem having a peek if our paths cross, and we can talk lap
steels then if you want. Meanwhile, here's that neck again. In the end I
decided for a mix of working on the body and the neck. And once done I drilled for the
neck fittings and applied thin superglue as recommended. [image]  [/image] Then it was back to the first body and rough trimming the bindings flush. [image]  [/image] [image]  [/image] More tomorrow.. Andy
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Many thanks Remmy. I had a day of many parts today. First I spent some time
screwing the fittings into the heel of the neck blank and then made a test fitting to make
sure everything was in the right place. [image]  [/image] Then
I took it apart again and applied some superglue to the fittings per the instructions.
Here's a closer look of the fittings in place and the heel block in the body.
[image]  [/image] With
that done, I spent some time with the chisel trimming back the bindings a little further.
One of the problems with flame maple is that it is very prone to splitting. The flame is
where the grain turns out at an angle and runs across the piece instead of along it. So no
matter how careful you are, there's always a risk. Sides are bad enough, but bindings are
very likely to split. And I managed to get 2 bad splits, one on the front and one on the
back. So before going any further, these needed to be closed and glued. A
sensible person would have glued one, left it to dry overnight, and then glued the second
and left that overnight again. Here's a pic of what it looked like when I glued
both at the same time.. [image]  [/image] And I
even managed to make the time to tidy the workshop and give it a good sweep. So as a
special reward I'm taking a day off on Monday for the Bank Holiday as well as Sunday off
as normal. Although my brother does want me to have a look at one of his basses.... Andy
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After a lazy bank holiday, it was back to work.... I notched the kerfing on the
2nd uke, preparing to fit the back. Then I settled down with a sharp chisel and carried on
trimming back the bindings on the 1st. Pretty much reached the point where I have to start
using a scraper and then sandpaper. [image]  [/image] Andy
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For some reason, ok.. I'd been in the pub last night, I forgot to put up yesterday's
pics. The back is on the second uke now, it's on the go-bar deck now and I'll
soon be off to check it out. On the second uke I switched from the chisel to
sandpaper and carried on taking the bindings flush. And then I wiped it down with white
spirit to help lift the dust. [image]  [/image]
[image]  [/image] Starting to look good. And I couldn't resist misbehaving a little. This is one piece of
kitchen roll damped with white spirit. [image]  [/image] Andy
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Here's the second uke with the back attached. [image]  [/image] And here it is after I attacked it with the Dremel to cut the binding channels. [image]  [/image] Andy
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Today started fine, I cut the channels for the end strips at both ends of the body. Then I dug out the Dremel router base and fine tuned the binding channels around
the waist. [image]  [/image] And then it was time to start bending the bindings and purflings. And that's
when things started getting nasty. The first bloodwood binding split, so after taking a
break I started again and managed to bend a full set for one side of the front. Then I
started on the other side and another split. [image]  [/image] Now,
I had four bloodwood bindings and 2 split badly. So I used the last and it also split,
hopefully not so bad that it can't be used, but it is borderline. You can see the good set
in the background. [image]  [/image] Fortunately, I do have another complete set of four bloodwood bindings the same size
that I ordered for the net uke. So I'm not completely stuck. But I need to think carefully
about how I go about bending them. One option is to soak them overnight first. Another is
to make a steel strap with handles to support the bindings from behind during bending. And
a 3rd option is to do both. It could be that I was just unlucky and the 1st set
of bindings suffer from bad grain. So food for thought. Andy
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I've heard of using an ordinary iron on its steam setting to soften thin veneers. Would
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Good thinking, but I'm afraid not. The bending iron is used with water and/or a damp cloth
anyway, so it's actually already doing the same as a steam iron. And it's hotter than the
iron. The main issue is to support the bindings from the back, to prevent
splitting. Hopefully I just got very unlucky with the grain direction. Andy
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i think you juts need to go slower and more gently Andy... that stuff is always more
awkward than maple and it's ilk....
rather than trying to get it in one
go.... do it in a couple of visits....
not sure about metal band backing,
as it acts as a heat sink and spreads the heat further along the back of the work
piece.... the issue there being the faster cooling of the immediate area at which you're
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Cheers Max! I have been thinking along those lines as well. Of course, you can
never be certain, but I tend to be pretty gentle and let the heat do the work anyway. And
even with a lot of extra care I was getting some nasty splits. Using a metal
strap is well established, especially where the wood is prone to splits. I remember
StewMac and/or LMI selling them in the past. And side bending machines sandwich the wood
between metal slats to similar effect. So I decided to buy a 4 pack of cider
 And once I've emptied some of the cans I'll get the tin snips out and make some
aluminium straps and fit wooden handles. Then I'll make good use of the broken pieces and
run a few tests. If it helps, great. If not, I'll run a few more experiments and see if I
can knock up something to let me pre-steam the binding strips and/or soak overnight. Andy
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The cider is working  And I did get a pic of the repair to the split binding. [image]  [/image] And I
now have empty cans to use to make metal straps  Andy
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Step one.... essential equipment. [image]  [/image] And
after a little work, you end up with this. [image]  [/image] There is a
test piece behind. It is the tightest bend I have made, and even though there was a small
split, it bent with the wood and remained closed. Result. And then I
glued the first side's binding in.. [image]  [/image] Andy
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Well, here's the second set of bindings bent and ready to glue tomorrow.
[image]  [/image] The bloodwood was fine once I glued the split and carefully avoided heating it as I
finished bending. However, that does leave 2 broken and unfit for use. I
thought I had another set for the next uke... but not so. I have black and bloodwood for
the bandings, but the bindings I ordered are flame maple. So it looks like I need to order
some more. I think I'll order 6. That way I'll either have spares, or a complete set of 4
left over for a future project. Don't you just love planning? LOL It's a pain
having to make such a small order, the shipping will be a big whack on top. But I can't
really afford to buy more for stock right now, even though it would spread the postage
further. Meanwhile, I have to finalise both headstocks now as I'll have to work
on the necks while I await delivery of new bindings. Andy
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So, here's that second side bound. It all went together nicely. [image]  [/image] Now I
have to get those replacement woods ordered. And get the headstock templates finished so I
can get on with the necks while I wait. Andy
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Cant wait to see those beasties buffed up.
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Quote Stan:
Cant wait to see
those beasties buffed up.
It's easy for you to say that mate. I'm the poor fool who has to do the buffing, and I
have to French Polish the d*mn things first!!!
But I removed the Sellotape this
afternoon, and there was a split opening up. So it was glued thus...
[image] [/image]
Bit otherwise, it looks good.
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I've had the pleasure of seeing these in "the flesh" (and meeting Zen of course!) and
these pictures don't do them justice. Great craftsmanship, and a lovely chap too.
Oh, and the workplace is tiny!
Amazing stuff.
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Cheers mate, I guess that means I have to carry on !! Andy
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One of the best things about this superb thread is the building of a handmade instrument
and all that it entails - i can can assure you zenguitar i meant no offence in my
impatience to see the buffed beauties - take your time master - i'm loving it. no pressure
from me. and apologies if any other thing was interpreted.
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Don't worry Stan, I was just being light hearted. Andy
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Quote zenguitar:
Cheers mate,
I guess that means I have to carry on !!
Andy
'Frail so mate! Or turn the cutaway
model into an octave mandolin and send it my way...!
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LOL No chance mate... But if I happen to send you plans for a lap
steel, double check everything... You need long arms and legs to play a 60"
scale lap steel  Andy
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Be handy for my John Paul Jones tribute though (the Purple Beast must be 60"). Any plans or tips gratefully recieved chap  Hewesy
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Woo - as I'm primarily a keyboard player I don’t normally frequent the Guitar Technology
forum, but when I spotted this thread from Andy I just had to read it all the way
through.
This is truly inspired, and it’s SO encouraging to find out that
even the experts run into problems - the difference between them and the amateurs is that
experts don’t panic, lose their temper, and throw everything at the wall
They simply sort out the best way forward.
True professionalism -
can’t wait to see the completed instruments Andy!
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I too stumbled on this thread and read every single post (all 4 pages) in one sitting
absolutely inspiring - I even sat with my girlfriend and looked through all the pictures -
she loves how they are looking. I have an interest in building a 12 string
electric guitar as soon as the budget permits. Unfortunately my skills are far more
limited than Andy's. (Think ape mashing a banana with a stone). I do enjoy finishing
guitars though and have done a few resprays that are reasonable. I have a
design in my head = just need the wood and time and a big injection of skill. Mart
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Many thanks guys. I decided to take a sabbatical last week, when you find
yourself tinkering around for a few hours with nothing to do it's time to take a
breather. I've got to make a trip to the bank and pay in the cash so I can
finally order the new bloodwood bindings, and then it's time to knuckle down and build
those templates for the headstocks. And then I can knuckle down again and make
some more progress. And yes Martin W, a large part of the exercise is about
doing it for real. Problems do arise, and that's when you have to stop and think and come
up with a solution. Most problems can be overcome with a little thought and patience, and
sometimes you just have to learn to let go and be satisfied with less than perfection. No
matter how good it turns out, there will always be little details that you look at and
think 'I know I could have done that better', even if you're the only one who notices. And
I guess that's what makes you get on with the next project  And Martin R, if you can do decent finishing you have a great chance of making a 12
string electric to be proud of. If you really want to give it a go, I'd be happy to help
you out with your designs and planning once these are finished. The key thing is to avoid
rushing into too much detail too fast. Get a clear idea of what you want in broad terms
first, and then live with it for a while. And bear in mind that a simple design well
executed will always be better than a complex design done averagely. Andy
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i have read that George Harrison traveled with two ukuleles - the story goes - it was just
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{creeeeaaak} {clump}{CLump{CLUmp}{CLUMP} {shuffle} Helooooooo. Anybody here? {shuffle}{shuffle} {CLUMP} {CLUmp} ... {CLump}{clump} {creeeee-aak}{snick}
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Don't worry, will soon be back on track, I promise Andy
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{sweep} {sweep} {sweep} {sweep} {sweep} {sweep} {cough} {sweep}
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Yes, yes, I know... More bloodwood bindings on the way soon. And then back to
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Deep Joy Gentlepeeps.. Funds have cleared, and tomorrow the order is going in
for the Bloodwood binding strips. And then we can get back to work as soon as they arrive
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Glad to hear it! I'm really looking forward to seeing this project finished.
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Latest update... The bloodwood bindings are with the courier in Illinois and UK
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Hello.. Hello.. Oh it looks like someone's had a dust around, but still very
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I've received the bindings, the weather is improving, so should be back on track in the
next week or so. And thanks for checking in again  Andy
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We've been watching... just keeping quiet
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OK, I know this will come as a major shock, but things are moving again. I
spent this afternoon at Mark's place clearing the decks, tidying up, and starting to get
everything ready to get going again. Some good progress made on that score. But
there are 'developments' too. I'll take the camera along tomorrow and get some pics...
lets just say that things aren't going to plan. Andy
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hi andy,
just a quick heads up - on youtube there's a humble pie vid w/ steve
marriot playing a uke. one of the last guys i'd have pegged as a uke player but then
again he did do "ichikoo (sp?) park" so he wasn't all screaming guitars ;-) thought you'd
like to know ...
cheers,
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Good to hear the ukulele project is back on track. The world needs more of them. A friend
turned me on to jake
Shimabukuro on you tube last week. Perhaps the world's leading ukulele virtuoso, this
is top drawer uke action! Nearly eight and a half million hits can't be all wrong. He does
a jaw dropping Bohemian Rhapsody too. Too good not to share if you haven't discovered him
already, and something for Andy to aspire to when he's finished building his own.
Personally if I tried doing that on a ukulele it wouldn't be the uke that was gently
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i love this quote Quote:
Justin Bieber: God sent me to make music
Rebecca Black:
God sent me to make music
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Cheers guys, all gratefully received. But first I've got to finish building the
b*ggers. And the following isn't for the faint hearted..... When we
closed down for the winter Mark took the bodies indoors for safety. Although the workshop
is an old stone built building, it only has a pull down garage door. And with all the rain
and damp around he was concerned about their well being after all the work that had gone
into them. Unfortunately, they went on top of a wardrobe in a centrally heated
bedroom. Terrible thing central heating. It sucks all the humidity out of the air.... [image]  [/image] [image]  [/image] [image]  [/image] And you can
see the result. A wonderful selection of splits in the back of the cutaway uke.
And inside it has even managed to damage the braces, they were well enough glued that when
the back split, it stayed attached to the braces and split them in places too. But hey!! [ ****** ] happens sometimes and we have to deal with it. Whatever else, that
back has to come off. It might need a replacement, but there's a reasonable chance that I
can repair it so that's the first option. The binding will have to be sacrificed, then the
back comes off and the braces too. Once that's done I should be able to glue the splits
and reinforce them with cleats. Then it's time to look at the braces, it may be possible
to re-profile them but if not I'll need to make some new ones. And then refit the back and
re-bind it. The afternoon was spent getting the planes back in shape. I
stripped and cleaned one of Mark's (a very nice old Marples one that was his father in
law's) yesterday and this morning. So this afternoon I finished cleaning that one up and
then got on with stoning and sharpening the blade plus the blades for my three planes.
Tomorrow I'll work on getting the chisels in shape. And then... well, I'll have
to remove all that lovely back binding and get the back off to repair. It's all
fun, so I'm told  Andy
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Hi Andy Its fab to see this thread alive again! The splits in the back is sad news especialy when it was all going so well before. I
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I felt sick seeing those pics. No fair. Rooting for a successful repair though, rather
than having to replace the backs. Maybe we should get more serious about using humidifiers
in the UK if we are going to have colder winters like the last two? Everyone has had their
windows tightly closed and the heating cranked up. Even those sponges on hooks are
supposed to help and they don't cost much
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Thanks Jumpy and Frisonic. The good news is that it is only one of the backs
that split. Just the one to fix, not both !! LOL Interestingly, Mark's wife
thought that she saw the big split when he took it into the house and mentioned it then.
But there is no sign of any impact damage anywhere, so it has to be something in the wood
itself, humidity changes, or both. But it will be fixed, that's for sure. Meanwhile, this afternoon was spent with more tool sharpening. So now the chisels are as
sharp as the planes  As for humidifiers in general, I still don't think they are required in the UK. But
worth considering if you live in a modern house and love the central heating turned up in
winter, especially with the wet summers we've had recently. The problem with the uke
really is just 'one of those things' rather than a typical problem. Andy
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Cheers Will  And thanks. But this always was supposed to be a warts and all
thread. Working in the sort of space that anyone might have available and using the
minimum of specialist tools. But between you and me, I really can't wait to get a 'proper'
workshop again and get it fully equipped. Thinking time over. Time to stop
thinking and to get on with it. The top priority was keeping the back, it's a beautiful
piece of wood and a lot of work went into jointing it, thicknessing it, and inlaying the
back strip. And with that in mind it was better to sacrifice the binding then the back.
Overall a lot cheaper and a lot better. So, whatever way we go, the binding has
to go. If the worst comes to the worst, we'll have to get another back. But we have a good
chance of saving this one, so it is important that I don't do any more damage getting it
off. My first thought was to use the Dremel with the router base to trim off the bindings.
But the router base wouldn't work over that big split. So I got out the razer saw to cut
halfway down the maple binding, like this... [image]  [/image] [image]  [/image] I cut until I
reached the perflings. And then popped the flex-shaft on the Dremel and used a circular
saw blade to slot the waist and cutaway to match. Then it was out with the freshly
sharpened chisel to trim it back to the top and kerfings inside. [image]  [/image] And these two
pics show how the back as split the brace as well. [image]  [/image]
[image]  [/image] Now I've
got a clear view of the joint between the back and the kerfings it's time to separate them
both. The idea is to do as little damage as possible and to prioritise the back so that it
needs as little extra work as possible. So, it's time to get out the hot knife... or, in
other words, the old butter knife and heat it on the bending iron  I did manage to use a scalpel and open up a crack by the big split. That's enough to get
started with the hot knife. You can see the start split here.. [image]  [/image] And I hate
to say it, but the process of removing and repairing the back fills me with less
trepidation than the thought of ordering replacement bindings/perflings from the States.
Topping up the bank account, making the order, then the postage, waiting for the courier,
paying the VAT and Duty.... so much hassle  Andy
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It's great to see this thread active again.
I'm sad to see the damage to the
back of that uke - it must be very frustrating! On the other hand it's great to see what
goes into repairing an instrument that's damaged like this. I wish you the very best of
luck!!
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Many thanks Dan  It's been 'interesting' this week. In the past I've had to
partially separate backs and fronts for repairs, but I've always managed to fix splits
with the top or back in situ until now. So until today I managed to
avoid removing a front or back completely. But this time there was no alternative, so it
was time to get out the bending iron and an old dinner knife. [image]  [/image]
[image]  [/image] Yes, it all
looks a bit Heath Robinson. I wanted to get the knife sitting as flush as possible to the
top of the iron so it heated quickly and evenly. The bowl of water isn't needed for the
job, but there for safety reasons... that iron gets HOT. If I was foolish enough to touch
it a supply of cold water close to hand was helpful. As always, taking sensible
precautions proved to be the best way to ensure you didn't need them  And here I am going for the kill, a hot knife through a ukelele 
[image]  [/image] And here
we are a few minutes later. Open Sesame !!! [image]  [/image] It took
about 20 minutes to work patiently around the back joint with the hot knife. But the still
left the braces attached to the back and sides. So I concentrated on the point where the
braces joined the back. And conveniently, they split away quite nicely. Leaving the bulk
of the braces still attached to the body but neatly splitting along the grain to leave
part attached to the back. That being a good thing, it helps maintain the body integrity
and keep the back in one piece until I am ready to remove the remnants and repair the
splits. [image]  [/image] And here's
the back held up to the light to show clearly how badly it has spilt.... and one of the
splits doesn't show in the pic. You have to admit, it looks cool 
[image]  [/image] What I need
to do now is come up with a suitable jig to help clamp the back together properly. It will
be a variation of the jig that I used to joining the fronts and backs originally, but
because I need to minimise any potential damage to the back now it is cut to shape and
size it needs to be fitted specifically. I have a few ideas already, but need to work out
the details. But all in all, despite the problems it's great to be back to
work. Andy
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Good job Andy, as they say in the US of A. Quite apart from finding your whole approach
inspirational, and dare I say it, 'Zen' like, I'm learning an awful lot about luthierary
from this project. You ought to post a PO Box to which we can all send cider, or whatever.
You're spending the money, sweating the worry and we're enjoying the ride.
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Cheers Frisonic, A PO Box is tempting, but I can't be trusted with cider. I
have to go to the pub every night to ration my intake!! I've enjoyed the
weekend off, but been thinking about knocking up the jig to clamp the back for glueing. I
have a good idea what's needed now, and have the scrap MDF in the shed to achieve it. So
that's the task to start on tomorrow. Andy
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those cracks are nothing
to do with central heating! If you build a uke bigger than a car, of course its
going to collapse under its own weight!
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Quote Jumpeyspyder:
If you build
a uke bigger than a car, of course its going to collapse under its own weight!
LOL, it's a Black Hole model Bass
Ukulele, perfect for Dub Hula.
No pics today, but I spent a few hours with a
jigsaw making a start on what I hope to be a suitable jig for clamping the back properly
when I glue those cracks.
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Andy, I googled 'Dub Hula' out of curiosity and I can confirm you have just invented a new
genre of music. That certainly doesn't happen every day. Congratulations!
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That means I need to get some construction kits and sketch up some examples now!! More
work !! Although I imagine Dub Hula evolved from the earlier Slack Ska Guitar
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Well no one here has you down as a slacker Andy so I expect you can park defining the
finer points of Hula Dub for phase two. Meanwhile we are all waiting with baited breath
for the next development in phase one. Careful with that axe, Eugene...!!! (or was that
plane)?
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So, you need more pics? This is using the original
body template to give an idea of what I have in mind. Using a variation on an alternative
method for joining fronts and backs. Making some fitted cauls to protect the back as much
as possible while clamping. So I managed to use
my pillar drill with some sanding drums to shape the cauls. You can see I've
allowed a gap between the cauls and the back, just enough to add cork strip to the edges
of the cauls to protect the back from damage. Tomorrow I should glue the cork
on, and then make progress on the rest of the bits needed to make it work. Andy
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As promised, the
cork strips glued to the edges of the clamping caul and waiting to dry. And I
put some feet on the baseboard and then cut out some support plates for the back. Because
the back is already at the right thickness I need to take care when glueing the cracks.
Not only have I got to get them neatly glued, I need to ensure that the back is as near
flat as possible. Hence the support plates. And
then I took some time to make these curious blocks.... ... they will help
press the support plates flat when I apply clamping pressure. Andy
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Looking good Zen!
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#924973 - 06/07/11 11:00 PM
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Wow!
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Cheers guys, the only problem is that I am getting closer and closer to having to bite the
bullet and glue the d*mn thing!! Andy
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A relatively quiet day today, a short while with the saw and then getting out the
sandpaper. And then some quality time spent cogitating. But that's OK, Kerry the Gardener
is always around on Thursday afternoons
And as you can see, the
blocks and edges are all now nicely radiused. And after mucho cogitation I've
decided that this is a job for hide glue. It will flow into the cracks a lot better than
white wood glue. There's a still a little more work to be done on the jig. But
I think I have the right bits to hand now. And you lucky people get to see hide glue in
action soon. Meanwhile, I have to wait until next Thursday to see Kerry the Gardener
again..... Ho Hum. Andy
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Given that we can't see Kerry, yourself having the advantage Andy and I hope the garden
looks lovely, there is surely some consolation for the rest of us in 'seeing' 'hide'
glue... Which sounds like an oxymoron! But I'm really interested in having an insight into
glue technology. It seems to be essential in luthiery and frankly I don't really know my
bostick from my cow gum to my araldite. Actually I usually use duct tape (not attractive).
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a slightly runny cacscamite mix?
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I must admit I've never heard of hide glue either
However, a quick google revealed this very informative site:
http://www.frets.com/fretspages/luthier/Data/Materials/hideglue.html
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Hope I'm not stepping on your toes Andy.
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Don't worry Folderol, no toes stepped on  And the Frets site is a very good reference for anyone interested in luthiery. Frank
Ford is very experienced, and has been a top American luthier for many years. And as you
can see, he's spent a lot of time analysing the subject. Our American cousins are as fond
of their charts and tables as they are of jigs, moulds, contraptions, and templates. Check out the link on that page to his glue chart. More on glue in a
moment. But first here's the progress on the back. I've used a couple
of machine screws to make sure the cauls stay in place once they come under pressure. The
close-up shows that I've put slots on the cauls so that they can still slide. They'll be
done up loose when I put on the initial pressure, then tightened fully before final
clamping pressure. Then it was on with removing the remnants of the braces. And here's how it
looks now the braces are fully off. Back to glue...
all other things being equal hide glue would be my first choice for most glueing jobs when
making or repairing a guitar. But it does need preparation, and it also needs heat. So
that's either a hotplate/gas burner in the workshop, or an expensive electric glue pot.
For most jobs white wood glue is almost as good and a lot more convenient. But
there is nothing better for filling cracks. When hide glue is hot and ready for use it has
a very water like consistency, which is perfect for cracks. You only need to open them a
little and capillary action draws it all the way into the split. Cascamite is
often mentioned because of it's strength. But it's other qualities make it unsuitable for
luthiery. It is very brittle and can crystallise with age. I remember an interesting
conversation when I was studying with Norman Reed, one of the other students suggested it,
and Norman said it was fine for a building site, or boatbuilding, but has no place in a
guitar workshop. And I have had a few guitars over the years where an old cascamite repair
has broken down and caused a lot more damage. So, I've decided to glue on
Monday, but as hide glue needs preparation I've starting making it up already.
First of all,
the jar is labelled Pearl Glue. That's just the name for the better grade of hide glue.
You can see how much I'm using in the lid. This is with
water added. Within 10 minutes it was fully absorbed so I topped it up again. The final
ratio is about 2 parts water to one part glue, about the same as Frank Ford recommends. I
was taught to leave it over night to absorb the water before heating. The glue I have
certainly needs longer than the hour mentioned on the Frets site. And there'll be no
problem waiting until Monday as the lid is securely screwed on. So, a weekend
off, and then glue time on Monday  Andy
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i'd not suggest cascamite for a normal structural joint, but when made runnier , it
penetrates well, and holds well... and with a bit of help from appropriate compounds to
reduce surface tension, gets right in to the inter-fibre bonds... so for a split
like that, it can potentially be useful...
for structural glue, most of the
time i tend to go with aliphatic resins (a yellow glue, as opposed to the PVA everyone is
normally familiar with for wood glue) they exhibit good impact resilience, and are
harder setting than PVA.
however, that in itself, in a panel under any stress
, can lead to failure over time , not of the glue, but the wood either side of it..
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I agree entirely with the distinction between normal white glues and Aliphatic resins Max,
although it can get contentious when you get into the detail. I've often seen it argued
that all PVA's are Aliphatic resins and the term is reserved for PVA's with fewer
additional additives. But then again, I am no expert, I just use the stuff. Original
Titebond is an Aliphatic resin, but hard to find in the UK. But Humbrol wood glue is an
Aliphatic resin too. The main difference between Aliphatic resins and ordinary PVA is that
PVA has more slippage. But when it comes to cascamite... I have to put my hand
up and admit being a student of my teacher, especially after my experiences fixing old
repairs made with cascamite. You know I'm not going to write it off out of hand, but given
the choice of using something I know well (hide glue) that has a long history of doing the
job well and I can use for many other things, or using something I don't know well and
won't use for anything else... it's the hide glue every time. But I'm happy to
to concede that it does have some benefits for someone who knows it well enough. And for
anyone who uses it regularly it would be a reasonable option if the alternative was to
learn something they hadn't used before. But even then I would be cautious. For every boat
builder using cascamite knowledgeably, there are a few thousand site carpenters working to
the nearest cm slapping it on blindly  Andy
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Big day today.. zen vs the hide glue  And once it's all glued and clamped I'll hit the scraps bin, find the remnants of the
back, and cut some pretty cleats to apply across the repairs after. Andy
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Look forward to the photos. Hope the hide glue looses....
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So, the afternoon started fine, added another drop of water to the glue in the jar as it
had all been absorbed. Then we fired up the gas stove and brought the water close to
boiling point. That's when I put the jar of glue into the water. Remembering first to
remove the lid. You don't want it exploding when you heat it!! And when you finish, make
sure to leave the lid off/loose until it cools. You don't want it imploding, or seizing
the lid on with the vacuum. Here's a closer look, see how it's gone all liquid. However, before
getting on with the glueing I needed to take some precautions. So I put a sheet of
greaseproof paper over the baseboard, and then glued some more greaseproof paper to the
top boards I made. And then left
them all to dry. But eventually I had to bite the bullet and start glueing. And
I'm afraid there was no time to take pics as I went. I had one clean break and 4 splits to
get glued. However, the method is straightforward enough... use small paintbrush and dip
into the liquid glue, paint glue along split/wood to be joined. I applied glue from both
sides, and worked the wood a little to draw as much as possible into the repair. Then it was straight into the jig for clamping. And the clamping pressure comes from the
loops of string you can see. The secret is to
tighten the loops like a Spanish Windlass. It's a very old woodworker's technique that can
apply a LOT of pressure with remarkable control. I use a variation of the technique to
glue broken headstocks and the only real problem is that it is incredibly easy to put too
much pressure on the joint. The wooden blocks are there to make sure that there
is plenty of downward pressure to ensure that the back remains flat, as well as the cauls
applying the sideways pressure to clamp the glue joints tight. And now I am
just waiting. Hide glue dries initially by gelling, and then by evaporation. With the
baseboard and top plates, it will definitely need to be left for close to 24 hours to dry
properly. And open, or rubbed, hide glue joints can dry fully in a few hours. So, fingers crossed. Of the 5 joints required, 4 looked fine. But one was visibly
gapping, although less than 1/2th a mm, and I couldn't tell how well it would close
without giving it a go. I'll have no idea whether or not I've been able to save
the back until I remove it from the clamping jig tomorrow...  Andy
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This is great! I can't wait to see what happens. With a bit of luck you've saved it. I'd
hate to see that back go to waste.
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Fingers crossed here!
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Oooo!!!! Or, to quote Sir Alex, it's squeaky bum time here in Deepest
Devonshireshire... Those bits of string
are slack now. Now they are removed,
and so are the clamping cauls... looking good so far. Now to remove the pressure plates
and have a good look. Still looking good.
Lets see if I managed to keep it flat when I glued it... OK, maybe a 10th of a
mm, but that's a great result. Lets hold it up to the light and see if the gaps are
properly closed... A complete lack of
daylight  And trust me, I was seriously worried, one of those gaps was quite
scary. It's official, a success so far  So, time to head for the scraps bin. I always keep offcuts, partly because they
sometimes come in very useful and partly because good woods are precious and shouldn't be
wasted. And what have we here... Some of the
pieces I trimmed off when making the braces are perfect for making new braces. That'll
save a LOT of time. And some of the
offcuts from the back itself will be ideal to make cleats. You can see I've cut some nice
strips to work with. And it was a few
minutes work to plane the edges true after cutting them. I treated myself to a new fretsaw
blade especially  And for those of you wondering about the hide glue. The remainder
set nicely in the jar. When I need it again, I
just have to pop it into the water bath again and it will be ready in minutes. Although I
will add a little more of the dried glue for any other jobs, I made it slightly runnier to
make sure it got fully into the cracks. And now I have some ready, I will probably use it
to glue on the new back braces and then glue the back to the sides. The back
needs a little tidying, so I sharpened the cabinet scraper with some nice new edges and
then cleaned up the inside of the back. The repairs are near
invisible. I could have made them totally invisible but wanted to retain as much thickness
as possible as I need to clean the outside later too. I'll leave the outside unfinished
until I rebrace the back and apply some cleats. I need to, it's the only way to see where
the splits were now, and I need that guide so I can add some cleats. All in
all, a great result and a very successful day. So to capitalise on my luck, I went into
the village to buy a ticket for the Euromillions draw. Haven't checked it yet  Andy
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I've been holding my breath too long already to worry about your chances of wining the
Euro Draw (best of luck BTW)! This latest post is tremendous news. Well done, its been a
privilege having an insight into how you got yourself out of that set back. That back
looks so good.
Looking forward to the next saga...
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Excellent news!! That really is a great job you did there Zen!
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Thanks guys  It was seriously stressful waiting, and a great relief when it came
out so well. I really had doubts about one of the splits closing fully. Going
forward, now I've had a chance to examine the back I've discovered that I won't need as
many cleats as I feared. The braces will do a lot of the work. And I've decided to put a
flatter curve on the new braces just to ease the stress on the repaired back. Just off now to make a start on those braces. Andy
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So Andy, if it is you that's won that £160m how much do you think it would change your
life? For example, my guess is that rather than pay someone to finish building these ukes
you would instead build yourself a workshop fit for a god, sure... but would you still
have time to moderate these forums or dump us in favour of a higher form of philanthropy?
Or just go mad for a few years on fine wine and dubious women!
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Ah Frisonic, now there's a thought.... And I still haven't checked my ticket
yet... But it's £166 Million, not 160... and just to put that missing £6,000,000.00 in
context... That alone is enough to purchase a fine Mews residence in Central
London, a small farm in the country with enough space for a multitude of workshops and
studios, an orchard, and some woodlands. Then to equip the workshops and studios,
including some CNC machines, get training on Autocad and using the CNC machines, stock up
with loads of materials... And, of course, fine wines, fine whiskies, copious
amounts of cider, and a constant supply of the finest, most dubious, women  And yes, I'd still be here and enjoying myself. The only difference is that instead of
downloading pdf's to help answer questions about equipment I don't have to hand, I would
be resisting the temptation to buy one or two for my own collection so I can test my
solutions first  But until that happy day... Here's a
pic of the new braces already radiused and ready for glueing. I've decided to take a few
extra precautions to help avoid future problems with the back. So first of all, I've put a
slightly flatter radius on these, 2mm on the lower bout and 1.5mm on the other two. I'm
also going to cut them lower and generally make them a lot lighter so the whole back can
flex a little more once re-assembled. And I've also decided to glue them on one at a time
using clamps rather than do them all together with the go bar deck. That will avoid the
risk of the go bars rocking the braces over and hitting the back (if you remember, I had a
few battles like that originally and have to consider whether that might have contributed
to the problem). And here's that
first brace glued. I used the hide glue again seeing as everything was to hand and
everything went smoothly. I'll glue the other two over the next two days, and then add
cleats where needed. Andy
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Very pleased to see these pictures. Great stuff
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#926449 - 14/07/11 11:45 PM
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And what do you do when you've glued the first brace? You glue the next one
And as you can see,
this time I dug out the Klemsia type clamps because they have a longer reach. And then, I did some boring but useful stuff. I put the drill in a bench mount, chucked
up the brass bristled brush, and cleaned up a bunch of stuff. I do like keeping my tools
in good condition  Andy
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OK, I know it's not exciting, but for the sake of completeness... 2 shots of the
third brace glued. All things being well, tomorrow I'll make the cleats and glue them
too. I won't comment on how someone else came to be given MY winning lottery
ticket!! However, I am amazed at how otherwise intelligent people agree to be identified
as lottery multimillionaires. Andy
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#926771 - 16/07/11 12:06 PM
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I hope you aren't thinking of being a professional Uke builder Andy. This would have to
be the world's most expensive Uke by a long way you if you wanted to make a profit.  Have you
set yourself a date to finish?
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I dunno Wonks.... an old mate of mine by the name of Gordon Markendale, used to build
ukes for George Harrison, and oh boy, can he can take TIIIIIIIIME to produce stuff.....
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#926799 - 16/07/11 12:55 PM
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Andy has yet to finish. Gordon may yet be outdone!
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I've got an SG i started rebuilding 12 years ago, still in bits,,... i think the
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#926804 - 16/07/11 01:01 PM
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And how's Dave B's Frankenstein coming along?
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Quote Wonks:
I hope you aren't
thinking of being a professional Uke builder Andy. This would have to be the world's most
expensive Uke by a long way you if you wanted to make a profit. Have you
set yourself a date to finish?
Yep.....
EVENTUALLY !!!!
But if I was building professionally I
would be doing it very differently. For a start, I would need a proper workshop. And I
would be working full time, not a few hours each afternoon. And I would be using a lot
more jigs, moulds and machines.
This project is more about what someone could
achieve using basic tools and techniques working in their shed.
But once this
project is finally finished, I will be building the jigs and moulds for a 'production
model' that could be built much quicker. That will include a side bending machine, a
sanding thicknesser, router templates for necks, fretboards, braces, fret slotting tools,
jigs for cutting binding channels, and so on.
I already have all the woods and
hardware for the production prototype, Koa front back and sides, Indian Rosewood neck,
very pretty 
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#926821 - 16/07/11 01:31 PM
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Go for it! But the Uke craze could all be over before you get started. I hear bagpipes
could be the next big thing.
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Bagpipes!! I'll need a lathe for those!! Would you settle for Bagpuss? But
meanwhile, all three new braces are in place. And from there
all I needed was to put some cleats across the glued splits... and here they are I used offcuts from
the back, cut into diamondish shapes and bevelled the top edges. Then applied them with
hide glue again. No need for clamps, these were all rubbed joints. You apply glue to the
cleat, place cleat on the back, and rub the cleat against the back until it grips. Then
hold in place for a few moments until the glue starts to gel. They hold in place easily,
the gel stage is enough to hold them safely. Hide glue dries in two stages, the gel stage
is the initial grip, and then it fully dries by dehydration. As the water dries out, the
glue shrinks and pulls everything together tightly. Day off tomorrow Andy
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Quote zenguitar:
Bagpipes!! I'll
need a lathe for those!! Would you settle for Bagpuss?
Sorry couldn't resist
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#928101 - 19/07/11 12:55 AM
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Back to work this afternoon... And time to get those braces in shape. And
rather than high and tapered, this time it's low and square.  Lovely pile of
wood shavings there
And then
it was time to start cleaning up the body ready to refit the back. Guess I'd better put some thought into how I clamp the back on before I rush ahead  Andy
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#928214 - 19/07/11 11:49 AM
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Looking good Andy.
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#928221 - 19/07/11 11:56 AM
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I want to see it finished by tea-time.
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Oh, it'll definitely be finished by tea-time, just not sure which tea-time  Meanwhile, back to the back... And
that's the old braces out. Just need to trim them back flush to the kerfings. Then trim
out the kerfings to accept the new braces. With good planning, and a little
luck, the new braces were a good match to the old ones. So mostly it was cleaning out the
old notches, just one edge needed extra trimming. So now it's ready to glue tomorrow. And I took some
time to prepare the Go Bar Deck of Doom once more, and to make sure the Go Bars are all
the same length. I'm doing all I can to minimise risk. I still haven't
decided whether to go with the white glue or the hide glue. I'll sleep on the thought, but
a lot depends on the weather tomorrow I think. Andy
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#928655 - 20/07/11 02:41 PM
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Ah yes. The case of the exuberant go-bars  You seem to be really zipping along now - great stuff
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#928753 - 20/07/11 08:39 PM
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Quote zenguitar:
I
still haven't decided whether to go with the white glue or the hide glue. Andy
What about yellow glue - aliphatic
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Quote Jumpeyspyder:
Quote zenguitar:
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still haven't decided whether to go with the white glue or the hide glue. Andy
What about yellow glue - aliphatic
resin adhesive?
Ah... it's
times like this when I wish I had all the references or links to hand. But, essentially,
'Aliphatic Resin' is a posh name for PVA. It tends to be applied to the part of the family
that has less slip, Titebond and some Humbrol wood glue are good examples, and because
they have the yellowish colour those are known as yellow glue. But the white Humbrol glue
I'm using is just fine for the purpose.
It all went smoothly,
no crises to deal with. Apply glue to kerfings, apply back, place first 6 Go Bars, final
adjustment, and then load up the rest of the Go Bars.
I've got to finalise
the headstock designs now, and get back to carving the necks.
Andy
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#928853 - 21/07/11 10:03 AM
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Looks like a job very well done - let's just hope the go bars all stay in place until the
glue dries!!
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#928872 - 21/07/11 10:48 AM
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Can't wait to see what you decide to do for the headstock and what drives your choice
(tone, balance, robustness, aesthetics).
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#929090 - 22/07/11 01:57 AM
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Headstock design... not too big, not too small, looks good, relatively straight string
pull. Gotta do some lay out drawings and finalise a couple of designs. But largely
head-scratching, thinking, drinking and smoking, until I have a clear mental picture of
what will work. Once I have that, I can draw it accurately and make templates. Meanwhile... the back is back
All in one piece and
looking good. And one very relieved luthier  Gotta get online and order replacements for the sacrificed bindings soon. And maybe see
if there's anything else I might need for the future that I can get it at the same
time. Andy
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#929394 - 22/07/11 08:34 PM
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Yay! Looking good
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#929433 - 23/07/11 12:09 AM
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So glad this thread is up & running again. Thanks again for all the effort you're
putting into posting the 'warts & all' account. Probably a bit late now but perhaps
you should have run a 'headstock design' competition!
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