Not to sure where to post this really but am after some advice on drum skins.

Am after a Danny Carey kind of sound for the toms, Wiki says he uses Evans G2 clear on batter side, G1 clear on resonant side. Anyone else use these?

After a weighty/punchy kick drum sound...but not metal click style.

Any other recommendation?

The drummer uses a Grestch Catalina Ash kit. He's also on it with tuning. The room we'll be recording in is nice, plenty of good mics and pre's so all that's left really is to get the source sounding good.

I prefer using coated heads on toms. The sound is much much nicer and I find it easier to record and get a cohesive sound.

Clear heads all sound lifeless and boring to me although I am using a clear kick drum batter head at the moment. There's various tricks to get a click. You can buy discs that you attach to the skin where the pedal meets the drum. You can tape an old credit card to it too. Then there's choice of beater. Felt, plastic etc. Remove the front skin and get the mic right up to the kick pedal.

Your choice of mics, room, kit position, signal chain, damping, tuning and the drummist himself will all affect the tone of the recorded kit. Then you start fiddling with EQ and compression and things change again.

The only real way forward is to experiment and see what works for you.

Just wrote a nice long reply and closed it by accident!

Sorry if this one seems blunt but i'm just getting straight to the points aha!

Metal "click" comes from micing REALLY close, using hard beaters, lots of effects, there's no drum skin that naturally creates that sound.

Try tuning your kick really low, just taking the creases out. If you don't do this usually then you might be surprised, reduces sustain.

Most skins give a good sound, and it's more to do with the age of the skin, a worn out skin won't give out a nice tone.

G2's are good skins, would sound lovely. But for a really nice punchy rock sound i'd go for these:

http://store.daddario.com/category/296446/EC2_Coated_Drumhead
Evans EC2 with SST (coated or clear).

Resonant heads really aren't that important. Some people will disagree, but i change mine once for every 5 times i change my batter maybe. But check out the evans EC reso's:
http://store.daddario.com/category/148382/EC_Resonant
Will compliment the batters nicely if you have the cash to spare!

Kick drum wise:

http://store.daddario.com/category/148176/EMAD2_Clear
EMAD 2. Super nice head! Nice deep and punchy sound providing it's on the right kick. I prefer a smaller kick (20 rather than 22") for a punchy sound. Tighter and more controlled, less boom.

Hope that helps. But like I said, skin types are sometimes overrated. As long as they're suitable (by that i mean not using a double ply oil filled skin when you're going for a really open resonant high tuned sound), it's more important for them to be in a nice sounding room, correctly mic'd, and most importantly, correctly tuned. Consider these first before deciding whether the coated or clear G2 will suit your tom better. (And obviously a good drummer will make a massive difference!)

Christian.

Well, the room is very good.

Mics...

Kick - D12 - Something else...RE20 prob - and U47 or U67 at the end of a tunnel we'll be creating
Snare - KM184
Toms - U87's for top, 421's for bottom
OH/Room - Still working on it...theres plenty of 414's if nothing else

Be tracking through API 3124's and Neve 1073's.

Drummer is very very good, tight and is border line obsessive with tuning! Which I think is a good thing!! The band are prog rock type....think Oceansize...Tool...Porcupine Tree.

As I say, I dont want slipknot metal click style kick drum...nice weighty/punch.
Toms...tight and with some resonance.

I'll check those out Christian. Cheers

Thanks for the responses

If the drummer's as good at tuning as described then you'll have no worries.
For belt and braces try here as well: http://www.mikedolbear.com/
Go to the forum and you'll find a fair few of these drummers know their onion skins.

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If the drummer's as good at tuning as described then you'll have no worries.
For belt and braces try here as well: http://www.mikedolbear.com/
Go to the forum and you'll find a fair few of these drummers know their onion skins.

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Gavin Harrison (of Porcupine Tree) has occasionally passed by there too I think

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