ROLO46
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Sound Reinforcement ,Indian Classical music
#830979 - 03/05/10 09:56 AM
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Have a gig upcoming, recording tabla and slide gtr 'in concert' Sound reinforcement
needed Its a lively domed room The suggestion is to use a Bose line array L1
compact I was thinking of a central site behind the performers, feeding via my mixer
2 Senn MKH 40's to my recorder (a Sound Devices 702) and the Bose. This would give a
good central image but might howl quickly ,though the Bose prob has lots of DSP. We
have a nice pair of Active PMC TB2A's ,I was thinking of using these as side fillS,again
low level. Any thoughts Im PA illiterate. Budget, none. Audience
100+ 
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Bob Bickerton
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Re: Sound Reinforcement ,Indian Classical music
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#830985 - 03/05/10 10:15 AM
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Unless the spec says otherwise, and if the room is live, which it appears to be, then I'd
say you only require very minimal sound amplification. In addition I would doubt the
musicians need any monitoring, and would question why they would if they ask for it! I guess you only have one Bose L1 (which I haven't used myself), which is why
you're proposing to put this behind the musicians, but that will lead to 'speaker' bleed
into the MKH40s, which is probably not what you want for the recording, as well as the
potential for feedback. My inclination, would be to use the TB2A's as low level
FOH amplification, either side and a little in front of the performers, should be a nice
sound. Bob
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ROLO46
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Re: Sound Reinforcement ,Indian Classical music
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#831018 - 03/05/10 01:44 PM
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Just played with the Bose L1 II with sep bass module and mixer/dsp There must be
plenty of processing going on cos it wasn't howling with a SM 58 up close to the line
array. Quite impressed The idea of a central position is to reinforce the real
acoustic image.The dispersion is good ,so I may place it back to the wall and put the
performers well in front,angled to look at one another to enable the MKH40's to be backed
off to the array ,limit bleed and howl. There is comprehensive eq on dsp mixer,
haven't tried this yet. All this will change on the night, Im sure Unsure
wether to send channel outs/ aux outs/or monitor outs to Bose Might want to use my
aux outs. Mixer is Sonosax SX6
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Bob Bickerton
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Re: Sound Reinforcement ,Indian Classical music
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#831081 - 03/05/10 08:38 PM
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OK, I'm just not familiar with the L1. Feedback sounds like it won't be an issue, so the
main thing to look out for is how the L1 will effect the recorded sound. Is it using out
of phase trickery? How would this effect the recorded sound? All conjecture I'm sorry. Bob
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James Perrett
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Re: Sound Reinforcement ,Indian Classical music
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#831194 - 04/05/10 11:58 AM
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I used an L1 (as a performer and listener rather than engineer) this weekend. The L1 was
behind the performers so that we didn't need monitors. It sounded good although the top
end was rather harsh. There were a few hints of feedback but nothing serious. Is the slide guitar acoustic? How well do the performers balance themselves
acoustically? James.
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ROLO46
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Re: Sound Reinforcement ,Indian Classical music
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#831200 - 04/05/10 12:18 PM
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Its all acoustic Normally I would have MS'd it (OMNI AND 8) But 'cos of PA
will cardioid it to reduce howl chances, either Senn Or Schoepps. But not coincident
or ORTF Close capture Haven't seen the venue yet,has curious dome ,which gives
great ambiance, they say.
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Bob Bickerton
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Re: Sound Reinforcement ,Indian Classical music
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#831350 - 05/05/10 04:46 AM
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Just a thought. I did sound for a concert recently that included tabla (as well as many
other instruments). We also recorded it, supposedly for archival use, but the performers
were very pleased with the result and it looks like we'll release it commercially. Had I
known this I'd have placed a little more emphasis on optimum mics and positioning for the
recorded sound. One option I would have liked would have been to have a little stereo
imaging on the tabla. As it turned out I had sufficient ambient sound to provide an
interesting sound stage but it's nice to have the option at mix-down! The moral
of the story is to treat every recording as though it will be released commercially! Cheers Bob
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ROLO46
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Re: Sound Reinforcement ,Indian Classical music
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#835112 - 22/05/10 09:25 AM
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Have recced the venue A 80' square room with a domed window light in the
middle,10' ceiling A clattery artificial wood floor Horrible
confused acoustic under dome Ping pong flutter from the walls, horrible. Now the artist has been refused an entry visa, perhaps a blessing in disguise.
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Bob Bickerton
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Re: Sound Reinforcement ,Indian Classical music
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#835118 - 22/05/10 10:15 AM
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Eeeeh lad, that's nothing. When I were young, we used to have to record whole symphony
orchestras in a shoe box, and had to engrave the CDs by hand, using a blunt pencil, on a
jam jar lid. Recording non-existent musicians in a live venue, well that's easy
 Bob
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seablade
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Re: Sound Reinforcement ,Indian Classical music
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#835143 - 22/05/10 03:29 PM
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Quote Bob Bickerton:
....and had
to engrave the CDs by hand, using a blunt pencil, on a jam jar lid.
Vinyl?
Seablade
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Bob Bickerton
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Re: Sound Reinforcement ,Indian Classical music
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#835183 - 22/05/10 09:21 PM
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Quote seablade:
Quote Bob Bickerton:
....and
had to engrave the CDs by hand, using a blunt pencil, on a jam jar lid.
Vinyl?
Seablade
Wax-cylinder?
Bob
(joking of course, I'm not that old!)
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seablade
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Re: Sound Reinforcement ,Indian Classical music
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#835204 - 23/05/10 02:34 AM
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Quote Bob Bickerton:
Quote seablade:
Quote Bob Bickerton:
....and
had to engrave the CDs by hand, using a blunt pencil, on a jam jar lid.
Vinyl?
Seablade
Wax-cylinder?
Bob
(joking of course, I'm not that old!)
Hey I was going for the shape;)
Seablade
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Guy Johnson
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Re: Sound Reinforcement ,Indian Classical music
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#835220 - 23/05/10 09:24 AM
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A room like that with tabla ... Yuk! Maybe best bet is to use the Bose just for the guitar
(has it a pickup?) to reduce recycled reflections from the tabla. Close mic the
tabla and guitar, and use a stereo mic array (fig 8s?) as well, for the recording.
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